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28 Jan 2017, 9:29 pm

6 of the 7 countries ban Jews fwiw



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28 Jan 2017, 9:52 pm

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Or perhaps it's just an attempt at tightening up national security. I'm not saying I'm in favor of the action. But I personally don't see any reason to conclude it's being done for nefarious reasons.


I didn't say there was any nefarious reason behind this ban, but rather it's inconsistent, and put in place solely to please the rabid Islamophobes who put Trump in the White House. There have been families broken up because of this policy, which is hardly fitting with the Republican brand of being for family values.


I personally would consider putting it in place solely to please rabid Islamophobes a nefarious reason.

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Citation needed.


That would be helpful.



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28 Jan 2017, 10:11 pm

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I meant the snorting cocaine part.


Cocaine would actually explain a lot about Trump, I mean the grandiosity, the impulsiveness, the late night tweets...

That, and I just like the image of him going all Scarface in the oval office with a giant pile of coke, it just seems appropriate.


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28 Jan 2017, 10:17 pm

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It stings because it sounds true.

I feel like the labels were and are justified, but it does seem like they backfired.


Scott Alexander over at Slate Star Codex made a pretty convincing case after the election that many of those accusations were overblown or created by taking Trump out of context, and he is not a fan of our new president:

http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16/yo ... ying-wolf/

Incidentally, as someone who spends hours every day reading news sites and blogs out of a compulsive need to feel informed about the world, this blogger is one of the very few people I consider completely trustworthy, even when I disagree with his conclusions. You might try some of his articles that carry the 'politics' tag, definitely worth your time.


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28 Jan 2017, 11:41 pm

Dox47 wrote:
marshall wrote:
I meant the snorting cocaine part.


Cocaine would actually explain a lot about Trump, I mean the grandiosity, the impulsiveness, the late night tweets...

That, and I just like the image of him going all Scarface in the oval office with a giant pile of coke, it just seems appropriate.




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29 Jan 2017, 12:11 am

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rabid Islamophobes who put Trump in the White House.


Citation needed.


Eh?


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29 Jan 2017, 4:17 am

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I forgot to mention that it will cause problems, and already has, for people who worked with US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.

This is a horrible problem. If anything there needs to be exceptions for these people.



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29 Jan 2017, 6:35 am

Trump's statement that Syrian Christians have been mistreated under Obama is misleading, but contains a grain of truth. Syrian Christians represent a smaller percentage of refugees than their proportion in the Syrian population. However, no one is sure why. The most likely explanation is that they are in Lebanon, which has a friendly government and a large population of Christians already. Another factor is that the UN processes people for the first stage of the refugee process, and they do it in refugee camps. The camps in Syria are different from those in Iraq.

Implying malice by the Obama administration is just more secret Muslim racist nonsense.


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29 Jan 2017, 10:31 am

Dox47 wrote:
jrjones9933 wrote:
It stings because it sounds true.

I feel like the labels were and are justified, but it does seem like they backfired.


Scott Alexander over at Slate Star Codex made a pretty convincing case after the election that many of those accusations were overblown or created by taking Trump out of context, and he is not a fan of our new president:

http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16/yo ... ying-wolf/

Incidentally, as someone who spends hours every day reading news sites and blogs out of a compulsive need to feel informed about the world, this blogger is one of the very few people I consider completely trustworthy, even when I disagree with his conclusions. You might try some of his articles that carry the 'politics' tag, definitely worth your time.


Excellent link. Every person who is concerned about racist extremists should read it.


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29 Jan 2017, 10:47 am

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Syrian Christians represent a smaller percentage of refugees than their proportion in the Syrian population. However, no one is sure why. The most likely explanation is that they are in Lebanon, which has a friendly government and a large population of Christians already.


Or they fled to territories under control of the legitimate government of Syria. Since they got more to fear from the 'moderate' rebels supported by the US and its allies (ignore the spin doctoring by the politician) then from Assad who many of them see as a protector.



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29 Jan 2017, 11:16 am

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6 of the 7 countries ban Jews fwiw


Two wrongs don't make a right.


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29 Jan 2017, 11:18 am

But 7 rights Trump 6 wrongs.



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29 Jan 2017, 12:31 pm

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Excellent link. Every person who is concerned about racist extremists should read it.


You might enjoy this one as well:

http://slatestarcodex.com/2015/10/23/a- ... candidate/

It's pretty funny when you think about it that Trump had much more minority support than Sanders, considering the way Sanders supporters tend to talk about Trump.


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29 Jan 2017, 1:08 pm

That article is also worth a read. I want to say you're killin' me, but that would be hyperbolic. I can take their argument apart and dispute things, but focusing on that would miss your point. It would probably also stop me from learning anything new from the article, so it hardly seems worthwhile.

I really hope that this represents a new commitment by the new Trump voters to get involved in politics. I hope they keep an eye on the results of their choices and voice their enthusiasm or resentment. Realistically, I'll feel overjoyed if we break records for turnout in the midterm elections, whatever the results.

Ironically, the voter registration restrictions have had a backlash effect in some places. I try to stay hopeful.

Another way that Trump might break with convention in an interesting way is with the idea that MLKIII discussed in his meeting with Trump, a national ID that is easy for every American to get. That will eliminate a lot of the voter fraud/disenfranchisement argument. I haven't heard the idea floated in 20 years, but I remember conservatives railing against it, locally in TX all the time and occasionally on national shows. I think Pat Buchanan is opposed, but not sure.

Edit: Just remembered, Natl ID morphed into Natl requirements for the states. Texas sued to stop it.


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29 Jan 2017, 8:27 pm

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But 7 rights Trump 6 wrongs.


And how's that?


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29 Jan 2017, 8:34 pm

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adifferentname wrote:
But 7 rights Trump 6 wrongs.


And how's that?


That was a joke, Bill. I capitalised "Trump". Might have been a little too subtle, to be fair. The proper noun sees more use than the common nowadays.