Can an aspie has low IQ/mental retardation?

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It says a lot about you that you'll disagree and still think people are misinterpreting the ICD 10 or DSM IV even when they're experts in this field. Has it really not occurred to you that your interpretation is the incorrect one?

You're seriously telling me that when an article paraphrases and misinterprets some other work, that paraphrased misinterpretation is credible but the original source material is not?


Prove it. Why are you finding it so hard to simply prove this? All I am asking is for a clinical, medical definition of Aspergers or the diagnosis of Aspergers that claims you must have an IQ over 70, or that you are "not ret*d". If you can't do this then maybe you should start to question if what you are saying is correct.

Every source on the web says "no cognitive delays" .

Please point out on this source where is says "no cognitive delays"

http://www.autism-society.org/dsm-iv-di ... fications/

Or this one

http://readingroom.mindspec.org/?page_i ... GwodFgYCSg

Or this one

http://www.autreat.com/dsm4-aspergers.html

So naturalplastic was wrong?

What?

Every source on the web says "no cognitive delays"

When they said



...they were wrong, correct?

I guess technically yeah, since you can find sources which interpret Asperger's in an odd way - the ones that say the diagnostic criteria are way out and Asperger's is actually something completely different.

So what you're saying is that you can make any claim about AS and if the official diagnostic criteria do not include that attribute you can say that the official criteria is wrong and that <insert random link you found on the internet that makes a claim that supports what you are saying> is actually more accurate? I hope it's obvious that such an argument is incredibly flawed.

Asperger's syndrome is said by some authorities to differ from autism primarily in that there is no
general delay or retardation in language or in cognitive development. However, the diagnosis is applicable
to mentally ret*d individuals who, while having no general retardation of language, do have highly
deviant idiosyncratic or repetitive language.

Greetings. So I believed myself that someone with Aspergers couldn't have low IQ/mental retardation/intellectual disability, but according to the "ICD-10 Guide to Mental Retardation", they can. Here is the link, and I'll quote the Asperger's Syndrome section for you.



http://www.who.int/mental_health/media/en/69.pdf

This was found on page 55 of the pdf file if anyone would like to read it themselves. I was not one to believe this before, but unless someone else has evidence disproving this article from the official WHO website, then I can't say but to agree with the person who says it can happen, but maybe not for the reasons they were arguing. Also, if I am misinterpreting this paragraph, then please explain what it actually is saying.

It could also be the case that the criteria for both of them are conflicting, so I will post both criteria below. One is from the DSM-IV (Asperger's) and the other is from the ICD-10 (mental retardation). If you would like, I can get both criteria (ie Asperger's from ICD-10 and intellectal disability DSM-V or mental retardation DSM-IV(-TR) for anyone who wants to compare each criteria to the same diagnostic book. Here are the links to each other.

Asperger's Syndrome: http://www.autreat.com/dsm4-aspergers.html *
Mental Retardation: http://apps.who.int/classifications/app ... ?gf70.htm+

*Note: The Asperger's Syndrome is not the from the official DSM site, but I can find a copy of the DSM-IV online, tell the page number if the above criteria does not provide enough information.

Greetings. So I believed myself that someone with Aspergers couldn't have low IQ/mental retardation/intellectual disability, but according to the "ICD-10 Guide to Mental Retardation", they can. Here is the link, and I'll quote the Asperger's Syndrome section for you.

pretty much everything Chichikov said is nonsense

Note also they clearly don't consider a delay in cognitive development to be the same thing as being mentally ret*d, which is the thing most people on this thread were pinning their arguments on.

Considering they say "however", it seems they do.