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10 Feb 2017, 6:02 pm

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Being British and not having a clue about politics, assume I'm an idiot in asking the following:

Why is the US govt starting construction on a pipeline such a big deal?

They tend to rupture.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Ma ... _oil_spill

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10 Feb 2017, 6:20 pm

Misslizard wrote:

sonicallysensitive wrote:

Being British and not having a clue about politics, assume I'm an idiot in asking the following:

Why is the US govt starting construction on a pipeline such a big deal?

They tend to rupture.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Ma ... _oil_spill

So construction on it hasn't begun yet?

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10 Feb 2017, 6:27 pm

sonicallysensitive wrote:

Misslizard wrote:

sonicallysensitive wrote:

Being British and not having a clue about politics, assume I'm an idiot in asking the following:

Why is the US govt starting construction on a pipeline such a big deal?

They tend to rupture.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Ma ... _oil_spill

So construction on it hasn't begun yet?

Some of it,then Obama stopped it,then back on again when Trump went in office.

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10 Feb 2017, 6:30 pm

Misslizard wrote:

sonicallysensitive wrote:

Misslizard wrote:

sonicallysensitive wrote:

Being British and not having a clue about politics, assume I'm an idiot in asking the following:

Why is the US govt starting construction on a pipeline such a big deal?

They tend to rupture.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Ma ... _oil_spill

So construction on it hasn't begun yet?

Some of it,then Obama stopped it,then back on again when Trump went in office.

Was the project started under the Obama administration?

If so, he would have approved the route of the pipeline, yes?

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10 Feb 2017, 6:36 pm

sonicallysensitive wrote:

Misslizard wrote:

sonicallysensitive wrote:

Misslizard wrote:

sonicallysensitive wrote:

Being British and not having a clue about politics, assume I'm an idiot in asking the following:

Why is the US govt starting construction on a pipeline such a big deal?

They tend to rupture.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Ma ... _oil_spill

So construction on it hasn't begun yet?

Some of it,then Obama stopped it,then back on again when Trump went in office.

Was the project started under the Obama administration?

If so, he would have approved the route of the pipeline, yes?

I don't think he had anything to do with the planning of the route or approving it.I beleive that would be Corp of Engineers.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakota_Access_Pipeline

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10 Feb 2017, 6:40 pm

Misslizard wrote:

sonicallysensitive wrote:

Misslizard wrote:

sonicallysensitive wrote:

Misslizard wrote:

sonicallysensitive wrote:

Being British and not having a clue about politics, assume I'm an idiot in asking the following:

Why is the US govt starting construction on a pipeline such a big deal?

They tend to rupture.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Ma ... _oil_spill

So construction on it hasn't begun yet?

Some of it,then Obama stopped it,then back on again when Trump went in office.

Was the project started under the Obama administration?

If so, he would have approved the route of the pipeline, yes?

I don't think he had anything to do with the planning of the route or approving it.I beleive that would be Corp of Engineers.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakota_Access_Pipeline

The Army planned & approved the route? Can you link me to that?

Who gives the Army orders?

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10 Feb 2017, 7:08 pm

sonicallysensitive wrote:

Misslizard wrote:

sonicallysensitive wrote:

Misslizard wrote:

sonicallysensitive wrote:

Misslizard wrote:

sonicallysensitive wrote:

Being British and not having a clue about politics, assume I'm an idiot in asking the following:

Why is the US govt starting construction on a pipeline such a big deal?

They tend to rupture.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Ma ... _oil_spill

So construction on it hasn't begun yet?

Some of it,then Obama stopped it,then back on again when Trump went in office.

Was the project started under the Obama administration?

If so, he would have approved the route of the pipeline, yes?

I don't think he had anything to do with the planning of the route or approving it.I beleive that would be Corp of Engineers.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakota_Access_Pipeline

The Army planned & approved the route? Can you link me to that?

Who gives the Army orders?

Army Corp of engineers.They also like to build dams,lots of them.They had eyes on the river here but people fought it and we got out first National River,The Buffalo.Then they had eyes on the small river I live near and if they hadn't been stopped the place I live would be under water.They are like beavers when it comes to damming rivers,or they used to be.
I'm not sure about the chain of command.
Here's the link to their site.
http://www.usace.army.mil

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10 Feb 2017, 8:53 pm

Misslizard wrote:

(PS RE the previous post - could you link me to the documentation stating the Army planned/approved the pipeline/route?)

Don't the Army follow orders from the Commander-In-Chief i.e. the President?

By definition, wouldn't the pipeline - and route - have been given approval by Obama?

I assume the US Army don't have free rein to simply go around building dams, bridges, and pipelines?

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10 Feb 2017, 10:16 pm

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You'd be surprised at what all they do.They are authorized and funded by congress,I can find nothing where they take direct orders from the POTUS,although in times of national emergency I'm sure they do.Obama wouldn't have to approve the route,Corp does that.I can find nothing on Obama approving it.It was most likely congress,when the controversy started he blocked it.Most presidents aren't that hand on when it comes to infrastructure,so it is most likely a district job,with the local politicians involved and Corp on planing the route.There was a link to DAPL on the previous site.http://www.usace.army.mil/Dakota-Access-Pipeline/
It's not just military but also civilians that work for Corp.Almost every project involving hydroelectric,flood control,comes under them.And more.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_ ... _Engineers

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11 Feb 2017, 10:21 am

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So the protestors should be protesting against the US Army, and not Trump?

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11 Feb 2017, 2:24 pm

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So the protestors should be protesting against the US Army, and not Trump?

The pipeline is what the protest is about,it was happening before Trump took office.People are out there in the snow right now at the site.Trump is suppose to have investments in the project,I haven't checked that out yet.

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11 Feb 2017, 3:42 pm

And people probably drove to the protest.... in their cars....

The hypocrisy is actually hilarious!

Isn't the route of the pipeline one that causes least impact? I ask as I genuinely don't know.

Is there a preferable location for the pipe to go e.g. a location that affects the least number of people?

Or is that where it already is?

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11 Feb 2017, 8:40 pm

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Well maybe they couldn't find a mule to ride.There is a shortage you know.
I saw some photos of people being bused in and some of the locals on horses.
There is an alternate route they could take away from the water.

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11 Feb 2017, 9:55 pm

sonicallysensitive wrote:

Being British and not having a clue about politics, assume I'm an idiot in asking the following:

Why is the US govt starting construction on a pipeline such a big deal?

It's probably not. But there's some folks who like to protest over anything they think is going to effect the environment. No pipelines, no power plants, no factories etc. Here a protest, there a protest, everywhere a protest.

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And people probably drove to the protest.... in their cars....

The hypocrisy is actually hilarious!

I'm sure they all drive electric cars

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11 Feb 2017, 10:30 pm

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I'm sure they all drive electric cars

Cars with:

1) rubber tyres that exist as a product of the oil industry
2) steel panels that exist as a product of the steel industry
3) batteries made from nickel-metal hydride
4) synthetically-constructed seats

etc etc this list could be long.

Most drive such cars in their synthetic clothes, and push the plastic pedals with their plastic shoes.

The questions still remain:

a) shouldn't protests be against the US Army, given they are allegedly the ones who planned the pipeline?
b) if the pipeline isn't in the best possible location, where else should it go?

and the question I'm curious about RE the thread in the first place:

c) why should companies be boycotted for supporting the pipeline?

etc

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11 Feb 2017, 10:40 pm

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EzraS wrote:

I'm sure they all drive electric cars

Likely none of which was manufactured in the USA.

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