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EzraS
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20 Feb 2017, 8:55 am

Try looking it up.



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20 Feb 2017, 8:59 am

The first hit was Breitbart, so that pretty much tells me what I need to know.



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20 Feb 2017, 10:46 am

The article I read on it may have written by a retired Harvard psychologist. Or not.



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20 Feb 2017, 11:17 am

androbot01 wrote:
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I'd say the masses experiencing Trump Derangement Syndrome are really the ones in need of assistance.


Can you define Trump Derangement Syndrome, just so we have our terms right.


The term "derangement syndrome" was originally applied to opponents of George Bush II in 2003 by columnist Charles Krauthammer who is is a Pulitzer Prize writer and a psychiatrist who helped write the DSM III. He defined Bush Derangement Syndrome as "The acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal people in reaction to the policies, the presidency — nay — the very existence of George W. Bush."


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20 Feb 2017, 11:34 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
I'd say the masses experiencing Trump Derangement Syndrome are really the ones in need of assistance.


Can you define Trump Derangement Syndrome, just so we have our terms right.


The term "derangement syndrome" was originally applied to opponents of George Bush II in 2003 by columnist Charles Krauthammer who is is a Pulitzer Prize writer and a psychiatrist who helped write the DSM III. He defined Bush Derangement Syndrome as "The acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal people in reaction to the policies, the presidency — nay — the very existence of George W. Bush."


And he went to Harvard. Looks like I was correct.



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20 Feb 2017, 12:15 pm

Did I hear mention of something about TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) ?
Well, here might be another doozey of an example, lest we forget, courtesy of someone called Mark Dice...

~and for even more «entertainment» make sure to read the comments-section in a new tab !


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20 Feb 2017, 12:32 pm

Some people have chronic Trump Derangement Syndrome, while others experience episodes of acute Trump Derangement Syndrome:


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20 Feb 2017, 12:33 pm

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20 Feb 2017, 4:04 pm

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You know, he could just be an as*hole? Has anyone thought of that? :roll: Assholes lack empathy and don't see from another perspective but that doesn't mean they have something wrong with them. I am not fond of him but I think these days behaviors get pathologized and labeled. Unless he starts to round everyone up and sending them to death camps and wanting to use them for human experiments, then I will change my mind.






I think this is just a part of human nature to dismiss your enemy as mentally incapacitated. Are there any world leaders that have a mental evaluation on public record? This behavior is not much different than all the republicans whining about the "Obamination" being sent from the depths of hell to spread liberal debauchery and sin. Anyways Trump probably loves that people are talking about him, even in a negative light. Because that gives him an excuse to kick dirt back in his defense.


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20 Feb 2017, 10:54 pm

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You are trying to tell me that a newspaper is a credible source of information ?
The New York Times of all things (the one that all of the other MSM news-outlets simply copy from).
I know «professionals» within the psychological-industry and, unless you have actually met a particular subject or client in-person, the courts and other such departments will not accept the evaluation.

Furthermore, you are NOT answering my question, but simply dodging my question. Have YOU personally «double-checked» the information being brought forth by those so-called Harvard-professors from an ACTUAL DSM-manual yourself ? What PAGE (of the DSM itself) can I find these diagnoses ? I am asking for the MEDICAL-CRITERIA and not a newspaper-article. I want the FULL report. Something like this...

Serotonin and Depression: A Disconnect between the Advertisements and the Scientific Literature

Come to think of it do you even have a DSM-Manual ?
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Exactly where can I read up on the specific diagnostic-criteria for myself ? The DSM-V ? Have you looked into the actual diagnostic-criteria for yourself ? Will you tell me in which pages of the DSM they are ?
Exactly which Harvard-Professors are we talking about ? I hear George Bush also came out of Harvard.
I would like the specific names of these Harvard-Professors of Psychiatry and sources that claim they are.

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Diagnostic criteria includes objective observation of how a person Like Trump behaves in public. It's not just his twitter feed, the observations include his speeches and his public behavior. Harvard professors of psychiatry we are talking the cream of mental health specialists on a global level. Hardly what I would call "armchair opinion"

refer to my previous posts in this thread
P.S.: Within your very own link I think you should pay attention to a very important word... opinion.
https : // www . nytimes . com / 2017 / 02 / 13 / opinion / mental-health-professionals-warn-about-trump.html

No the newspaper republished the letter from 35 concerned mental health professionals



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20 Feb 2017, 11:06 pm

Yes Ezra two can play this game
I can also post thousands (yes thousands) of deranged right wing protesters in the US who are obsessed with Obama
Obama is Kenyan
Obama is a muslim
Obama was not born in the US
Obama is satan
Obamacare will ruin America (this one is ironic given a lot of poor white republicans would benefit from free health care to fix their gnarly teeth)

Yes I agree right wingers don't have a monopoly on ignorance or stupidity (we can throw in greed, avarice and lack of empathy for their fellow humans) but it must be quite difficult to poke holes when highly educated academics raise concerns over a Trump presidency and they are hitting the nail very close to the head...



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20 Feb 2017, 11:09 pm

androbot01 wrote:
The first hit was Breitbart, so that pretty much tells me what I need to know.

A self declared platform for the alt-right...and senior advisor to the president of the US...looks like the US has allowed a crazy person access to the halls of power



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21 Feb 2017, 8:07 am

cyberdad wrote:
Yes Ezra two can play this game
I can also post thousands (yes thousands) of deranged right wing protesters in the US who are obsessed with Obama
Obama is Kenyan
Obama is a muslim
Obama was not born in the US
Obama is satan
Obamacare will ruin America (this one is ironic given a lot of poor white republicans would benefit from free health care to fix their gnarly teeth)

Yes I agree right wingers don't have a monopoly on ignorance or stupidity (we can throw in greed, avarice and lack of empathy for their fellow humans) but it must be quite difficult to poke holes when highly educated academics raise concerns over a Trump presidency and they are hitting the nail very close to the head...


I think the birther theory while kooky, pales in comparison to all that's taken place with the left since the election. Especially since so much of it goes against what they claimed about themselves.

And Obamacare is in the process of a system wide catastrophic failure on its own. I think Trump should just let it implode, so people will start pleading with him to fix it, instead of their current feaking out over him fixing it.

Scientific American - Psychiatrists Debate Weighing in on Trump's Mental Health:
"Allen Frances, an emeritus psychiatrist at Duke University School of Medicine who helped write the standard manual on psychiatric disorders, wrote a separate letter to the Times denouncing attempts to diagnose the president as mentally ill. He explains that Trump lacks the “distress and impairment required to diagnose a mental illness,” adding that bad behavior and mental illness are not synonymous."
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... al-health/



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22 Feb 2017, 8:22 pm

EzraS wrote:
He explains that Trump lacks the “distress and impairment required to diagnose a mental illness,” adding that bad behavior and mental illness are not synonymous."[/b]
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... al-health/


I think it's a little more scary if he doesn't have a mental illness...then he's quite aware and being vert strategic



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23 Feb 2017, 6:00 am

cyberdad wrote:
EzraS wrote:
He explains that Trump lacks the “distress and impairment required to diagnose a mental illness,” adding that bad behavior and mental illness are not synonymous."[/b]
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... al-health/


I think it's a little more scary if he doesn't have a mental illness...then he's quite aware and being vert strategic



Seems based on what I hear overall he's either mentally ill and mindless or he's a sagacious mastermind.

Personally I think he's just "full of piss and vinegar" as the saying goes. Kinda like Gen. George S. Patton.

Don't know what vert strategic means. Searching didn't help. Does it have something to do with Nazis again? I remember "green police" from the diary of Anne Frank or similar.