The Body Positive and Fat Acceptance Movement

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Good question.

I have family who are also militant vegans (not the best dinner company) and please be realistic that you can only take this argument so far.

I do agree that reliance on commercially produced meat and dairy products is not environmentally sustainable. I also agree that animals slaughtered in abboitoirs or kept in pens etc is inhumane.

Our society is in a transitional phase where we learn to look after our enivronment and treat animals humanely
Eventually we will rely less on animal products

But its also the height of middle class arrogance to expect that everyone can "afford" to live on a vegan diet. I know for a fact that organic/vegetarian/vegan food is expensive and often not accessible if especially if you live in poorer suburbs. This makes your attitude somewhat naive and a little ignorant.

At least he responded to you. I see you have no response to my arguments.

Anyway, you're barking up the wrong tree with this addiction nonsense. All life feeds off other life to live. It's not that we do it, it's how we do it. Which is why I support a change to humane treatment of food animals. We're not going to stop eating them, but at least we could be nice to them before we kill them.

I agree, 100%.

and if lab-grown meat ever becomes commercially feasible, better still.

Mock meat is actually quite tasty but I have a Gluten intolerance so can't eat it

what about lab-grown MEAT meat? [it is a real thing, albeit experimental at this point]

Yeah I'd give that a try, even our vegan friends can't deny cell cultures

Hey, I do not spend all my time here but I will do my best to cover everyone's points. Better to let your concerns percolate up and then see what overall themes come up.
Plus, I am being lazy on quote attribs, if anyone minds, I will do better.

My science/medical side says since it has animal based proteins it will still be harder on you than going plant-based: cholesterol, haeme iron, oxidative stress, all the usual suspects.

The libertarian side of me does not care, I mean, I have heard it tastes like squishy leather and costs a ton-load but if it costs nothing and tastes great, I do not care either way. If it kills you , at least you are not causing some other creature pain to get your addictive substance, so, whatevs you know?



I am not changing my wording on the addiction thing. I am addicted to sugar right now. Used to be addicted to tobacco. If it is not an addiction to eat meat, then address my concerns about meat being bad for you. Why do Vegans look hotter, are healthier and live longer? People that look older, less appealing and have consistent health problems... addicts as at least possible anyone? A shirt showing a line-up of addicts,

Meth = Teeth Missing, Bad Breath, Skin all messed up
Meat = Fat, Breathing Problems, Sweaty red palor, foot missing from diabetic gangrene
etc...

There is no humane treatment for slaughtered animals.

https://youtu.be/PduaNG1c1pE
http://freefromharm.org/animal-products ... slaughter/

Plants do not feed off of other life to do what they do, they feed off of nutrients and sunlight. In fact, your statement is so patently silly, I am having a hard time responding to this. There is a nitrogen cycle (and other exotic possibilities like chemosynthesis) but I think you are pointing to something else.

The important question is, what kind of society do you want to live in, One that follows science and the golden rule, or one that does not? This is not a false dichotomy, magical thinking is everywhere, whose side are you on, on that point? And if you are against science or the golden rule, doesn't that make you a hypocrite living in the modern world? I am not denying myself what is my birthright giving up meat, you all are engaging in addictive behaviors that are detrimental to the survival of our species.

https://youtu.be/G20cooZOiYE

Here are some other tips. Proteins are chains of amino acids and occur in all life. Humans, which like plants, fungae and a host of other biological kingdoms and supergroups, are eukaryotes. Our closest relative species are all herbivorous and show the same kind of characteristics as ourselves.

In general, here is a good source to cover the science of an optimal human diet.

http://www.fao.org/docrep/004/Y2809E/y2809e00.HTM

I have responded to your arguments before (we are frugivores {fruit eaters}, I gave a link, I will respond to other arguments as necessary), but why don't you do everyone a benifit and just use two things, google and youtube.

Here is what you do, if you have a question on some vegan topic, type the question into the search bar and just add the word "vegan", then I am sure your question will be answered. I am not being facetious. The answers you get doing the above I have seen for myself, consistently pwn the topic, from a logical point of view.

I have yet to see a concern here or elsewhere that has not already been covered. Binocular eyes = we are predators = nope, has to do with environment. Sucks being vegan = nope, we are on average happier. Humans are omnivores = nope, we are frugivores with starch predilection, etc, etc...

The only thing that would cause the mass of the people to quit being fake omnivores and realize that they are herbivores (and I am not against survival, and I do understand this is a big culture shock, like when one day flat earth arguments just aint cool anymore) is if there is a mass lack of acceptance of obesity as being some inevitible state. When everyone around you thinks you did it to yourself and you look gross because of it, all this talk will just go away.

When you can't get a date unless you look fit, and people whisper behind your back, "oh yeah, he suffers from carnism... it is sad. ", that will be an interesting day.



I go to fast-food places that support Vegan options on the regular (Taco Bell, Taco Time, Subway) for this exact reason. I know what you are talking about, the blight of nothing but McD's and their ilk. I have seen videos covering this. If you live in an area where you can not get fruits and veggies and you know you need it, isn't that at least partially on you? What have you been doing to solve this, hmmm?

Do you have a super-market in your area? Safeway, Crogers, whatever? The cheapest food in them is veggies and fruit. I get Amy's Meals for anywhere from $3.75, to when I want to splurge, $5, and it is cheap. That is a whole meal. So, whatever you know?

One thing that may or may not have been mentioned in the comments already - i wouldn't know - tl;dr - but autism in girls many times can be comorbid with pcos because of how the ethylmercury binds to testosterone and other male androgens. This means many of us girls on the spectrum have fought weight issues due to the low metabolism and all the fun that comes with pcos. So yes, i would say the body positive movement is a very good thing for the autistic community because we can't all have the energy required in our mitochondria to boost said metabolism and get the weight off. i was happy one year i lost 60 pounds, but i have gained almost half back. *shrug*

^^^welcome to our club

Paleo with carb cycling.

I actually enjoy primal, over-the-fire, right-off-the-tree kind-of eating. Lots of my food never comes indoors. And, there is lots of it.

But, I can still eat nice, cooking-show type stuff, or have an occasional pig-out, when I am feeling depleted.

Yo-yo dieting would actually work, if you stopped, after just one or two or five feasts. You would still have a high metabolism, for awhile.

I do not restrict portion size, and have lost 60lbs -- as a tall, muscular male, with high-T.

I cannot gain weight. I am 5'11 and weigh 127. When I was little some doctors would assume I was anorexic. I also over exercise. I have done 54,000 steps today. I can respect someine being happy with their weight, but pretending obesity isn't bad for your health is something I can't respect.

The fat acceptance movement isn't inherently bad. Some people just take it too far.

Hollywood pressures women to be dangerously underweight. That's obvious. The commonly-used slogan "Real women have curves." is 100% true. Women with curves are more cuddly.

Of course, a woman should watch her weight if she is damaging her health.

That's why the slogan "health at every size" is garbage.

Some people are overweight. Other people are underweight. You need to maintain a balance unless you want to destroy your internal organs. That's just basic science.

I've found that as long as i'm content with a BMI of [barely] 25, that my body maintains that without too much worry or exertion. but it resists mightily if I try to get below that. when I was in high school and the army, my BMI was 18. that was almost 4 decades ago.

One of my closest friends is anorexic. She defiantly needs some body positivity.