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21 Mar 2017, 10:37 pm

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The most plausible reasons I have heard for Clinton losing the election were.

She was basically coming off as Obama's protege, which basically meant 4 more years of Obama.

Her campaign strategy was basically "I'm not Donald Trump" and "There needs to be a first woman president".

She didn't visit enough key States.

Her potential health problems.


Hillary had more baggage than any candidate in history, she's been around a long time. Hillary is the embodiment of the corrupt status quo, too many people hated her guts. Hillary is basically the reason we got our first black president and the reason we got Donald freakin Trump of all people as president, I really don't think people like her all too much.



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22 Mar 2017, 12:04 am

Jacoby wrote:
EzraS wrote:
The most plausible reasons I have heard for Clinton losing the election were.

She was basically coming off as Obama's protege, which basically meant 4 more years of Obama.

Her campaign strategy was basically "I'm not Donald Trump" and "There needs to be a first woman president".

She didn't visit enough key States.

Her potential health problems.


Hillary had more baggage than any candidate in history, she's been around a long time. Hillary is the embodiment of the corrupt status quo, too many people hated her guts. Hillary is basically the reason we got our first black president and the reason we got Donald freakin Trump of all people as president, I really don't think people like her all too much.


How is she the reason Donald Trump is president? Republicans had a number of other candidates from their party, and they chose Trump. I don't think they would have chosen anyone else if someone other than Clinton was running. And if Clinton lost the democratic primaries, then that means Sanders would have likely won. I don't see any republicans voting for Sanders as he's a borderline socialist.



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22 Mar 2017, 1:07 am

If the Democratic primary wasn't rigged then I think in all likelihood Joe Biden would of ran and won the nomination, he was a much much stronger candidate than Hillary but he got blackballed out of the race. Could he have defeated Trump? Maybe, I don't like Joe Biden but he at least knows how to relate to other human beings and come across as a decent person. I think a lot of Bernie's support was anti-Clinton who might of voted for someone else if they were a more viable candidate, I don't think people really understand the shear amount of baggage the Clinton's have because if they did they wouldn't of supported them in the first place. Hillary was the easiest possible candidate to run against, I was saying this for years.



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22 Mar 2017, 2:56 am

That Trump leaked the returns to Maddow was the first thing that crossed my mind. If intentional it was smart political move because it made the press look like fanatics.


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22 Mar 2017, 4:05 am

Just to make matters worse for the trump cheer squad

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/lea ... ac3199b730

ONE of the most senior members of the US Senate has issued a stunning prediction — that Donald Trump will soon resign from the presidency.
Californian senator and Trump opponent Dianne Feinstein also hinted she knows more than she can say “right now” but believed he’s going to “get himself out of office soon”.
Ms Feinstein, a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, hinted the President would quit before he’s forced from office.



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22 Mar 2017, 4:38 am

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Just to make matters worse for the trump cheer squad

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/lea ... ac3199b730

ONE of the most senior members of the US Senate has issued a stunning prediction — that Donald Trump will soon resign from the presidency.
Californian senator and Trump opponent Dianne Feinstein also hinted she knows more than she can say “right now” but believed he’s going to “get himself out of office soon”.
Ms Feinstein, a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, hinted the President would quit before he’s forced from office.


Is this stunning prediction supposed to be something new?

Predictions of him not really wanting to be President and planning on resigning or getting himself impeached or whatever is something I've already seen and heard umpteen times.

There's also a number of people claiming to have exclusive inside knowledge, secret sources, secret tapes, secret documents etc.

All this stuff has been played out to such an extent in such a short amount of time, we are already getting reruns.

Next media bombshell: Trump caught on tape saying something disgusting on a bus!

Maybe if certain desperate people would stop gobbling up this repetitive nonsense and start calling bullshit, the media would stop cranking out so much worthless crap.



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22 Mar 2017, 5:16 am

As a side note, I fully expected Dianne Feinstein to be extremely old. I had no memory of who she is or what she looked like, but I said to myself, "I bet she is in John McCain's age range".

There just seems to be a trend with politicians in their late 70's to 80's in the headlines making statements about Trump. These folks who have been in office since Eisenhower was President need to retire already.


- I was joking about since Eisenhower, but I'm probably not that far off.



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22 Mar 2017, 6:28 am

EzraS wrote:
As a side note, I fully expected Dianne Feinstein to be extremely old. I had no memory of who she is or what she looked like, but I said to myself, "I bet she is in John McCain's age range".

Grow up Ezra. You seem to be shocked that things take place over time. Perhaps when you get a little older you will realize that instant gratification does not work for everything.



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22 Mar 2017, 6:32 am

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EzraS wrote:
As a side note, I fully expected Dianne Feinstein to be extremely old. I had no memory of who she is or what she looked like, but I said to myself, "I bet she is in John McCain's age range".

Grow up Ezra. You seem to be shocked that things take place over time. Perhaps when you get a little older you will realize that instant gratification does not work for everything.

Lol Didn't see the rest of this. But Era raises a good point. Strom Thurmond was senator till the age of 100. A senile old segregationist voting on bills and deciding what direction the country went in. To me that doesn't seem like a good thing. A legislature needs experience but also energetic and competent people.



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22 Mar 2017, 6:44 am

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androbot01 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
As a side note, I fully expected Dianne Feinstein to be extremely old. I had no memory of who she is or what she looked like, but I said to myself, "I bet she is in John McCain's age range".

Grow up Ezra. You seem to be shocked that things take place over time. Perhaps when you get a little older you will realize that instant gratification does not work for everything.

Lol Didn't see the rest of this. But Era raises a good point. Strom Thurmond was senator till the age of 100. A senile old segregationist voting on bills and deciding what direction the country went in. To me that doesn't seem like a good thing. A legislature needs experience but also energetic and competent people.

I disagree. With improved health care and longevity, I think older people will become more significant, not less.



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22 Mar 2017, 6:49 am

androbot01 wrote:
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androbot01 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
As a side note, I fully expected Dianne Feinstein to be extremely old. I had no memory of who she is or what she looked like, but I said to myself, "I bet she is in John McCain's age range".

Grow up Ezra. You seem to be shocked that things take place over time. Perhaps when you get a little older you will realize that instant gratification does not work for everything.

Lol Didn't see the rest of this. But Era raises a good point. Strom Thurmond was senator till the age of 100. A senile old segregationist voting on bills and deciding what direction the country went in. To me that doesn't seem like a good thing. A legislature needs experience but also energetic and competent people.

I disagree. With improved health care and longevity, I think older people will become more significant, not less.

Well maybe I guess.

I find it certainly interesting that the people that have been mostly adamant in opposing Trump have been the Senior Senators, Lindsey Graham, John Mccain etc. I think we need those sort of people in the administration because they embody the old American values, that are opposed to Trumpism.



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22 Mar 2017, 6:51 am

androbot01 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
As a side note, I fully expected Dianne Feinstein to be extremely old. I had no memory of who she is or what she looked like, but I said to myself, "I bet she is in John McCain's age range".

Grow up Ezra. You seem to be shocked that things take place over time. Perhaps when you get a little older you will realize that instant gratification does not work for everything.


Somehow I knew that commentary would get a response specifically from you regarding my age in return (as usual). The rest of what you wrote doesn't really make any sense, but I know an attempt at clarification from you, would result in a long trip down a rabbit hole (as usual).



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22 Mar 2017, 7:00 am

EzraS wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
As a side note, I fully expected Dianne Feinstein to be extremely old. I had no memory of who she is or what she looked like, but I said to myself, "I bet she is in John McCain's age range".

Grow up Ezra. You seem to be shocked that things take place over time. Perhaps when you get a little older you will realize that instant gratification does not work for everything.


Somehow I knew that commentary would get a response specifically from you regarding my age in return (as usual). The rest of what you wrote doesn't really make any sense, but I know an attempt at clarification from you, would result in a long trip down a rabbit hole (as usual).
This isn't my conversation.

I don't know the full story but you say things about people. E.g. that Androbot is annoyed that you don't back down to older people. You will annoy people by doing that so maybe expect those kinds of responses.



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22 Mar 2017, 7:05 am

Shahunshah wrote:
I find it certainly interesting that the people that have been mostly adamant in opposing Trump have been the Senior Senators, Lindsey Graham, John Mccain etc. I think we need those sort of people in the administration because they embody the old American values, that are opposed to Trumpism.


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Somehow I knew that commentary would get a response specifically from you regarding my age in return (as usual). The rest of what you wrote doesn't really make any sense, but I know an attempt at clarification from you, would result in a long trip down a rabbit hole (as usual).


The discussion of age is a rabbit hole. Trump himself is "old."

The issue distracted from is that Trump's presidency is crumbling. Everyone knows he is a liar.



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22 Mar 2017, 7:06 am

Shahunshah wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
As a side note, I fully expected Dianne Feinstein to be extremely old. I had no memory of who she is or what she looked like, but I said to myself, "I bet she is in John McCain's age range".

Grow up Ezra. You seem to be shocked that things take place over time. Perhaps when you get a little older you will realize that instant gratification does not work for everything.

Lol Didn't see the rest of this. But Era raises a good point. Strom Thurmond was senator till the age of 100. A senile old segregationist voting on bills and deciding what direction the country went in. To me that doesn't seem like a good thing. A legislature needs experience but also energetic and competent people.


It wasn't about capability. It was more of whoever has been clinging on since the stone age with stone age ideologies should know when it's time to pass the torch. Politics should be about progress and fresh ideas, not someone in their 37th term in office.

Plus quite honestly, whenever there's a story like this, the person involved always seems to be older than WWII. I'm not sure even what it means, but that's always been the case.



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