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19 Jun 2019, 11:20 pm

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We've had 3 years of daily fake hysteria about fake Russian meddling. There was a phony 2 year investigation into the hoax that was a complete dud. We have clear meddling by a former British intelligence officer who produced a fake dossier on behalf of the DNC so the FBI etc could spy on Trump and try to collude to stop him becoming President.


There is a mountain of evidence that the Russians interfered, and zero that the FBI spied on Trump, and that's because that spying never happened.
Seriously, this Pro-Russian sentiment is based entirely on hatred of America.


There is a lot of evidence of a few individuals in the DOJ, FBI, CIA, & DNC whom helped cover up Hillary’s corruption and spy on Trump's campaign, with bonus material, yes Russia did interfere with the election, that's where the false information in the dossier came from and the DNC was aware of that and the FBI, CIA and DOJ individuals involved in the attempt to frame Trump. Comey lied to the FISA court to be able to spie on the Trump campaign, telling them the dossier was verified when even the author admits that none of the information within the dossier can be confirmed to be legit. And Russia wasn't the only country involved with DNC, CIA, FBI and DOJ corruption to frame and spie on Trump, both UKRAINE and Italy where involved with the corruption. As well as Muller was involved also, his report was a political hit job filled with chopped up conversations pieced together to make it appear as if obstruction occured. Alot of the conversations are being released through FOIA suites revealing the missing bits of the multiple conversations that were chopped up and pieced together trying to make Trump look guilty. I'm sure you will try to insist all of this is incorrect, yet it's back by FOIA documents and many more are going to come out as Bar declassifies many more with his and Duran's ivestigations which recently have been broadened and extended, unlike muller investigation, this one is being extended because they actually have evidence and following a long dirty trail of corruption, which is why the left is going ape s**t, trying to do everything they can to distract the public and try to smear people, including bar, because they know they are about to be in a world of hurt when Bar's investigation gets wrapped up. Be patient, it's comming, more than likely with indietments.

O yea. And the hacked DNC servers were never even confirmed to be hacked, The DNC hired a private contractor to check there severs and handed the FBI a redacted draft, not even an official report. In other words, the FBI never confirmed the DNC was hacked by Russians.

They are also finding out more dirt on how Comey covered up for hillary, recommending theM to not charge her when she committed over 20 felonies, ad well as the fact that China ended up with classified documents hacked from her private server and the fact that Oboma knew about the private server for 3 years and did nothing.

There is also word of possible dossiers constructed to frame other republicans if they had one, their so called 'insurance'.

The bit about muller couldn't prove Trump was innocent on obstruction was very flawed also, a political smear, because prosecutors do not prove people innocent, they either have evidence to recommend indietments or they don't, and he didn't, so he couldn't. No law prevented him from recommending indietments, a recommendation is not indieting a sitting president, that bit was thrown in as a smear as well.



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19 Jun 2019, 11:38 pm

Crimadella wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
We've had 3 years of daily fake hysteria about fake Russian meddling. There was a phony 2 year investigation into the hoax that was a complete dud. We have clear meddling by a former British intelligence officer who produced a fake dossier on behalf of the DNC so the FBI etc could spy on Trump and try to collude to stop him becoming President.


There is a mountain of evidence that the Russians interfered, and zero that the FBI spied on Trump, and that's because that spying never happened.
Seriously, this Pro-Russian sentiment is based entirely on hatred of America.


There is a lot of evidence of a few individuals in the DOJ, FBI, CIA, & DNC whom helped cover up Hillary’s corruption and spy on Trump's campaign, with bonus material, yes Russia did interfere with the election, that's where the false information in the dossier came from and the DNC was aware of that and the FBI, CIA and DOJ individuals involved in the attempt to frame Trump. Comey lied to the FISA court to be able to spie on the Trump campaign, telling them the dossier was verified when even the author admits that none of the information within the dossier can be confirmed to be legit. And Russia wasn't the only country involved with DNC, CIA, FBI and DOJ corruption to frame and spie on Trump, both UKRAINE and Italy where involved with the corruption. As well as Muller was involved also, his report was a political hit job filled with chopped up conversations pieced together to make it appear as if obstruction occured. Alot of the conversations are being released through FOIA suites revealing the missing bits of the multiple conversations that were chopped up and pieced together trying to make Trump look guilty. I'm sure you will try to insist all of this is incorrect, yet it's back by FOIA documents and many more are going to come out as Bar declassifies many more with his and Duran's ivestigations which recently have been broadened and extended, unlike muller investigation, this one is being extended because they actually have evidence and following a long dirty trail of corruption, which is why the left is going ape s**t, trying to do everything they can to distract the public and try to smear people, including bar, because they know they are about to be in a world of hurt when Bar's investigation gets wrapped up. Be patient, it's comming, more than likely with indietments.

O yea. And the hacked DNC servers were never even confirmed to be hacked, The DNC hired a private contractor to check there severs and handed the FBI a redacted draft, not even an official report. In other words, the FBI never confirmed the DNC was hacked by Russians.


You're right about one thing - - everything you wrote is incorrect.
You said indictments for the Dems were coming; well what about indictments scored on team Trump? Are you claiming those are all illegitimate?
Trump is no innocent babe in the woods. He's a dirty businessman and con man who compromised himself by accepting help from the Russians who definitely expect something in return for said help. Why else work against our own national interests and against our allies, while courting totalitarian strongmen?
Just where did you get your misinformation from?


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19 Jun 2019, 11:43 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Crimadella wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
We've had 3 years of daily fake hysteria about fake Russian meddling. There was a phony 2 year investigation into the hoax that was a complete dud. We have clear meddling by a former British intelligence officer who produced a fake dossier on behalf of the DNC so the FBI etc could spy on Trump and try to collude to stop him becoming President.


There is a mountain of evidence that the Russians interfered, and zero that the FBI spied on Trump, and that's because that spying never happened.
Seriously, this Pro-Russian sentiment is based entirely on hatred of America.


There is a lot of evidence of a few individuals in the DOJ, FBI, CIA, & DNC whom helped cover up Hillary’s corruption and spy on Trump's campaign, with bonus material, yes Russia did interfere with the election, that's where the false information in the dossier came from and the DNC was aware of that and the FBI, CIA and DOJ individuals involved in the attempt to frame Trump. Comey lied to the FISA court to be able to spie on the Trump campaign, telling them the dossier was verified when even the author admits that none of the information within the dossier can be confirmed to be legit. And Russia wasn't the only country involved with DNC, CIA, FBI and DOJ corruption to frame and spie on Trump, both UKRAINE and Italy where involved with the corruption. As well as Muller was involved also, his report was a political hit job filled with chopped up conversations pieced together to make it appear as if obstruction occured. Alot of the conversations are being released through FOIA suites revealing the missing bits of the multiple conversations that were chopped up and pieced together trying to make Trump look guilty. I'm sure you will try to insist all of this is incorrect, yet it's back by FOIA documents and many more are going to come out as Bar declassifies many more with his and Duran's ivestigations which recently have been broadened and extended, unlike muller investigation, this one is being extended because they actually have evidence and following a long dirty trail of corruption, which is why the left is going ape s**t, trying to do everything they can to distract the public and try to smear people, including bar, because they know they are about to be in a world of hurt when Bar's investigation gets wrapped up. Be patient, it's comming, more than likely with indietments.

O yea. And the hacked DNC servers were never even confirmed to be hacked, The DNC hired a private contractor to check there severs and handed the FBI a redacted draft, not even an official report. In other words, the FBI never confirmed the DNC was hacked by Russians.


You're right about one thing - - everything you wrote is incorrect.
You said indictments for the Dems were coming; well what about indictments scored on team Trump? Are you claiming those are all illegitimate?
Trump is no innocent babe in the woods. He's a dirty businessman and con man who compromised himself by accepting help from the Russians who definitely expect something in return for said help. Why else work against our own national interests and against our allies, while courting totalitarian strongmen?
Just where did you get your misinformation from?

You'll see, I added more information. As said, these are backed up by actual intel, not journalists and a fake dossier.

As stated, there are no indietments on Trump, you have to have crimes committed to have indietments.



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19 Jun 2019, 11:48 pm

Take notice as to how the dems don't seem to specifically state even one law thar was broken, they just keep claiming "obstruction" without happening to mention exactly how he obstructed. The muller report itself is falling apart, it's nothing but political garbage.



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20 Jun 2019, 12:22 am

Crimadella wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Crimadella wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
We've had 3 years of daily fake hysteria about fake Russian meddling. There was a phony 2 year investigation into the hoax that was a complete dud. We have clear meddling by a former British intelligence officer who produced a fake dossier on behalf of the DNC so the FBI etc could spy on Trump and try to collude to stop him becoming President.


There is a mountain of evidence that the Russians interfered, and zero that the FBI spied on Trump, and that's because that spying never happened.
Seriously, this Pro-Russian sentiment is based entirely on hatred of America.


There is a lot of evidence of a few individuals in the DOJ, FBI, CIA, & DNC whom helped cover up Hillary’s corruption and spy on Trump's campaign, with bonus material, yes Russia did interfere with the election, that's where the false information in the dossier came from and the DNC was aware of that and the FBI, CIA and DOJ individuals involved in the attempt to frame Trump. Comey lied to the FISA court to be able to spie on the Trump campaign, telling them the dossier was verified when even the author admits that none of the information within the dossier can be confirmed to be legit. And Russia wasn't the only country involved with DNC, CIA, FBI and DOJ corruption to frame and spie on Trump, both UKRAINE and Italy where involved with the corruption. As well as Muller was involved also, his report was a political hit job filled with chopped up conversations pieced together to make it appear as if obstruction occured. Alot of the conversations are being released through FOIA suites revealing the missing bits of the multiple conversations that were chopped up and pieced together trying to make Trump look guilty. I'm sure you will try to insist all of this is incorrect, yet it's back by FOIA documents and many more are going to come out as Bar declassifies many more with his and Duran's ivestigations which recently have been broadened and extended, unlike muller investigation, this one is being extended because they actually have evidence and following a long dirty trail of corruption, which is why the left is going ape s**t, trying to do everything they can to distract the public and try to smear people, including bar, because they know they are about to be in a world of hurt when Bar's investigation gets wrapped up. Be patient, it's comming, more than likely with indietments.

O yea. And the hacked DNC servers were never even confirmed to be hacked, The DNC hired a private contractor to check there severs and handed the FBI a redacted draft, not even an official report. In other words, the FBI never confirmed the DNC was hacked by Russians.


You're right about one thing - - everything you wrote is incorrect.
You said indictments for the Dems were coming; well what about indictments scored on team Trump? Are you claiming those are all illegitimate?
Trump is no innocent babe in the woods. He's a dirty businessman and con man who compromised himself by accepting help from the Russians who definitely expect something in return for said help. Why else work against our own national interests and against our allies, while courting totalitarian strongmen?
Just where did you get your misinformation from?

You'll see, I added more information. As said, these are backed up by actual intel, not journalists and a fake dossier.

As stated, there are no indietments on Trump, you have to have crimes committed to have indietments.


Mueller found plenty. Now it's up to congress to do something about it.


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20 Jun 2019, 12:25 am

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Take notice as to how the dems don't seem to specifically state even one law thar was broken, they just keep claiming "obstruction" without happening to mention exactly how he obstructed. The muller report itself is falling apart, it's nothing but political garbage.


Obstruction of justice is a crime. Most of it was attempted obstruction, as Trump would order something insane, like firing Mueller, but only to have his more sane henchmen refuse to carry it out.


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20 Jun 2019, 4:10 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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We've had 3 years of daily fake hysteria about fake Russian meddling. There was a phony 2 year investigation into the hoax that was a complete dud. We have clear meddling by a former British intelligence officer who produced a fake dossier on behalf of the DNC so the FBI etc could spy on Trump and try to collude to stop him becoming President.


There is a mountain of evidence that the Russians interfered, and zero that the FBI spied on Trump, and that's because that spying never happened.
Seriously, this Pro-Russian sentiment is based entirely on hatred of America.


There's zero evidence, not only that but Bill Binney has debunked it. You're in denial because you've pushed the hoax for 3 years and now have egg on your face.


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20 Jun 2019, 4:11 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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We've had 3 years of daily fake hysteria about fake Russian meddling. There was a phony 2 year investigation into the hoax that was a complete dud. We have clear meddling by a former British intelligence officer who produced a fake dossier on behalf of the DNC so the FBI etc could spy on Trump and try to collude to stop him becoming President.


There is a mountain of evidence that the Russians interfered, and zero that the FBI spied on Trump, and that's because that spying never happened.
Seriously, this Pro-Russian sentiment is based entirely on hatred of America.


You have a hatred of Russia built on Cold War propaganda, xenophobia and your desperation to have some alternative universe explanation for Trump being elected.


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20 Jun 2019, 4:14 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Crimadella wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
We've had 3 years of daily fake hysteria about fake Russian meddling. There was a phony 2 year investigation into the hoax that was a complete dud. We have clear meddling by a former British intelligence officer who produced a fake dossier on behalf of the DNC so the FBI etc could spy on Trump and try to collude to stop him becoming President.


There is a mountain of evidence that the Russians interfered, and zero that the FBI spied on Trump, and that's because that spying never happened.
Seriously, this Pro-Russian sentiment is based entirely on hatred of America.


There is a lot of evidence of a few individuals in the DOJ, FBI, CIA, & DNC whom helped cover up Hillary’s corruption and spy on Trump's campaign, with bonus material, yes Russia did interfere with the election, that's where the false information in the dossier came from and the DNC was aware of that and the FBI, CIA and DOJ individuals involved in the attempt to frame Trump. Comey lied to the FISA court to be able to spie on the Trump campaign, telling them the dossier was verified when even the author admits that none of the information within the dossier can be confirmed to be legit. And Russia wasn't the only country involved with DNC, CIA, FBI and DOJ corruption to frame and spie on Trump, both UKRAINE and Italy where involved with the corruption. As well as Muller was involved also, his report was a political hit job filled with chopped up conversations pieced together to make it appear as if obstruction occured. Alot of the conversations are being released through FOIA suites revealing the missing bits of the multiple conversations that were chopped up and pieced together trying to make Trump look guilty. I'm sure you will try to insist all of this is incorrect, yet it's back by FOIA documents and many more are going to come out as Bar declassifies many more with his and Duran's ivestigations which recently have been broadened and extended, unlike muller investigation, this one is being extended because they actually have evidence and following a long dirty trail of corruption, which is why the left is going ape s**t, trying to do everything they can to distract the public and try to smear people, including bar, because they know they are about to be in a world of hurt when Bar's investigation gets wrapped up. Be patient, it's comming, more than likely with indietments.

O yea. And the hacked DNC servers were never even confirmed to be hacked, The DNC hired a private contractor to check there severs and handed the FBI a redacted draft, not even an official report. In other words, the FBI never confirmed the DNC was hacked by Russians.


You're right about one thing - - everything you wrote is incorrect.
You said indictments for the Dems were coming; well what about indictments scored on team Trump? Are you claiming those are all illegitimate?
Trump is no innocent babe in the woods. He's a dirty businessman and con man who compromised himself by accepting help from the Russians who definitely expect something in return for said help. Why else work against our own national interests and against our allies, while courting totalitarian strongmen?
Just where did you get your misinformation from?


Everything he wrote is true. You won't hear about it on Alex Jones style conspiracy channels like CNN who have been peddling the fake hoax for 3 years. Trump has only hurt Russia. It was Israel who got him elected.


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20 Jun 2019, 4:53 am

I'm pretty certain I don't have egg on my face. Trump has hardly hurt Russia at all, save for a few incidents that were probably staged. Trump loves strongmen (which in fact does include Netenyahu), because he desperately wants to be one himself. And straight out of the totalitarian strongman playbook is the denial of facts, replaced with propaganda spewed by the Dear Leader. And for the record, I don't hate Russia for the Cold War, or really any reason. Rather, I view Putin and his circle of mobster oligarchs as an existential threat to my country, spurred on by a craving for revenge that has grown out of losing the Cold War.
By the way, Alex Jones fans the flames of the lunatic right with conspiracy theories about murdered children having never existed, heartlessly causing mourning loved ones to relive their trauma. Nobody working for CNN is that sort of scumbag. But Trump certainly is, as he's praised that fat f*ck and his insane ramblings.


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I'm pretty certain I don't have egg on my face. Trump has hardly hurt Russia at all, save for a few incidents that were probably staged. Trump loves strongmen (which in fact does include Netenyahu), because he desperately wants to be one himself. And straight out of the totalitarian strongman playbook is the denial of facts, replaced with propaganda spewed by the Dear Leader. And for the record, I don't hate Russia for the Cold War, or really any reason. Rather, I view Putin and his circle of mobster oligarchs as an existential threat to my country, spurred on by a craving for revenge that has grown out of losing the Cold War.
By the way, Alex Jones fans the flames of the lunatic right with conspiracy theories about murdered children having never existed, heartlessly causing mourning loved ones to relive their trauma. Nobody working for CNN is that sort of scumbag. But Trump certainly is, as he's praised that fat f*ck and his insane ramblings.



Well it sure is strange how even the majority of Democrats are abandoning CNN and msnbc for producing nothing but garbage and lies and smear campaigns for many years all directed towards Trump and republicans all while not pressing back on or exposing any of the mass corruption involving the DNC, you might as well call CNN the DNC network.

Mighty strange how CNN's ratings are crashing while FOX news ratings are going up, I wonder what that means?

Even democrat journalists are bashing CNN for being political garbage rather than a news network. Around half of Democrats also know the muller report is BS and don't support impeachment and are getting tired of the DNC spinning their impechment and obstruction BS. Really, how do you obstruct an investigation by handing over every bit of information the prosecuters request for two years into an ivestigations started by a fake dossier paid for by hillary? All while he could have used executive power to stop it at any point he desired, like oboma did over 50 times with investigations into his corrupt plots.



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...Mighty strange how CNN's ratings are crashing while FOX news ratings are going up, I wonder what that means?
IF it's true, then it means people are switching from centrist and leftist lies to rightist lies, that's all.


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...Mighty strange how CNN's ratings are crashing while FOX news ratings are going up, I wonder what that means?
IF it's true, then it means people are switching from centrist and leftist lies to rightist lies, that's all.


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...Mighty strange how CNN's ratings are crashing while FOX news ratings are going up, I wonder what that means?
IF it's true, then it means people are switching from centrist and leftist lies to rightist lies, that's all.



It is true, look it up. Fox has actually gotten much better than they used to be. The only fox I watch is tucker Carlson, I don't agree with him on everything, as said, the majority of information I am getting is from commentators which present the articles they are discussing as well as FOIA documents. When fox news manages to discuss the information I have learned I don't see where anything they are saying is false, it's all backed up by legitimate information.

And a few of the commentators I get my information from are journalists.



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I'm pretty certain I don't have egg on my face. Trump has hardly hurt Russia at all, save for a few incidents that were probably staged. Trump loves strongmen (which in fact does include Netenyahu), because he desperately wants to be one himself. And straight out of the totalitarian strongman playbook is the denial of facts, replaced with propaganda spewed by the Dear Leader. And for the record, I don't hate Russia for the Cold War, or really any reason. Rather, I view Putin and his circle of mobster oligarchs as an existential threat to my country, spurred on by a craving for revenge that has grown out of losing the Cold War.
By the way, Alex Jones fans the flames of the lunatic right with conspiracy theories about murdered children having never existed, heartlessly causing mourning loved ones to relive their trauma. Nobody working for CNN is that sort of scumbag. But Trump certainly is, as he's praised that fat f*ck and his insane ramblings.


Staged? :lol: Yeah you have a lot of egg on your face. Rather than change when the evidence or lack of proves you wrong you make up or repeat some wacky conspiracy theory. I'm not going to keep repeating myself and wasting my time debunking you when you never learn or change.
'Strongman' doesn't mean anything. CNN lie about war and push war propaganda that leads to millions of deaths. They ignore Israel and the Saudis murdering children. They are worse than Jones and they parrot war propaganda even when Trump is pushing it. Utter disgrace.


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20 Jun 2019, 4:55 pm

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I'm pretty certain I don't have egg on my face. Trump has hardly hurt Russia at all, save for a few incidents that were probably staged. Trump loves strongmen (which in fact does include Netenyahu), because he desperately wants to be one himself. And straight out of the totalitarian strongman playbook is the denial of facts, replaced with propaganda spewed by the Dear Leader. And for the record, I don't hate Russia for the Cold War, or really any reason. Rather, I view Putin and his circle of mobster oligarchs as an existential threat to my country, spurred on by a craving for revenge that has grown out of losing the Cold War.
By the way, Alex Jones fans the flames of the lunatic right with conspiracy theories about murdered children having never existed, heartlessly causing mourning loved ones to relive their trauma. Nobody working for CNN is that sort of scumbag. But Trump certainly is, as he's praised that fat f*ck and his insane ramblings.


Staged? :lol: Yeah you have a lot of egg on your face. Rather than change when the evidence or lack of proves you wrong you make up or repeat some wacky conspiracy theory. I'm not going to keep repeating myself and wasting my time debunking you when you never learn or change.
'Strongman' doesn't mean anything. CNN lie about war and push war propaganda that leads to millions of deaths. They ignore Israel and the Saudis murdering children. They are worse than Jones and they parrot war propaganda even when Trump is pushing it. Utter disgrace.

Strongman does have a meaning. It encompasses your Dear Leaders like Trump, Ormon, Putin, Kim, etc, who consolidate power by means of an anti Democratic cult of personality, in which the press is suppressed, the truth is based on the whim of the strongman, and an enemy without and within becomes the Devil. You with your Antisemitism and your hatred of America makes you a willing pawn in the fall of the west. Your whole notion of Obamagate is just one part of the dream of an illiberal west that you are knowingly or unknowingly help to usher in with the millions of other nationalists.


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