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27 Apr 2017, 6:55 am

No, this isn't a conservative=ASD thread, so I'm not comparing the two directly. I think that the general conservative population lack social skills. I'm center-right myself, but I can't help saying this. They are unashamed of opposing gay marriage or other social things. My dad, he makes me feel awkward with some of his jokes and the way he would scream at Obama when he was president at the TV. But these don't seem like very good general social skills. I also don't think they really have "theory of mind". They can't relate to the fact that conservatism in the old 20th century context is dying or it's influence is waning.



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27 Apr 2017, 9:20 am

That makes your dad dated or out of touch with current thinking on what is offensive, not necessarily lacking social skills. Those type of jokes were commonplace when your dad and I grew up. They may not be awkward with his group of friends. I see no evidence peer reviewed or antidotely in my 60 years on this earth that conservatives have less social skills than others.

Opposing gay marriage is opposing gay marriage and it has absolutely nothing to do with social skills.


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27 Apr 2017, 9:45 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
That makes your dad dated or out of touch with current thinking on what is offensive, not necessarily lacking social skills.


What constitutes "current thinking"? Does current thinking not also include the perspective that what other people find offensive is their business, not K_Kelly's dad's?

RE: The OP. Socialisation has variable requirements depending on geography and era. Your dad may or may not lack social skills, but he's a sample of one either way.



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27 Apr 2017, 11:35 am

I think of some shouty ham, stuffed in an awful suit, condemning you, from the pulpit of a mega church. The mic thumps with his bible. He speaks harshly and could barely hurt a fly. Wouldn't be fast enough. He makes himself seem big and bad, like a puffer fish but does nothing at all. He uses guilt, condemnation, and fear as a weapon. It is backed by nothing.

Then I think of the Gosnells and Sangers, who more-often-than-not, speak eloquently, but take bloody matters into their own hands, which would be considered a war crime, in an informal venue. Their weapon is to say that nothing can be sacrosanct.

Both people have social skills, but are focused on separate methods.

One is a virtue-signaling phony, to get what he wants. The other says that no such thing as virtues exist.



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27 Apr 2017, 5:22 pm

adifferentname wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
That makes your dad dated or out of touch with current thinking on what is offensive, not necessarily lacking social skills.


What constitutes "current thinking"? Does current thinking not also include the perspective that what other people find offensive is their business, not K_Kelly's dad's?

RE: The OP. Socialisation has variable requirements depending on geography and era. Your dad may or may not lack social skills, but he's a sample of one either way.


I do not know exactly the jokes being referred to but the jokes that were commonplace when I grew up that would be awkward or worse now would be those that use words like n****r, fag, cripple or something similar to "grab her by the p****". If a person does not follow the news or only is friends with people who use that type of humor they would not be aware those words are offensive in a humor context.

These days what is offensive is often not a personal matter, it can get you publicly shamed, trolled, or fired.


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27 Apr 2017, 5:37 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
I do not know exactly the jokes being referred to but the jokes that were commonplace when I grew up that would be awkward or worse now would be those that use words like n****r, fag, cripple or something similar to "grab her by the p****". If a person does not follow the news or only is friends with people who use that type of humor they would not be aware those words are offensive in a humor context.


Again, these are contextually acceptable by sufficient people to be considered part of "current thinking".

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These days what is offensive is often not a personal matter, it can get you publicly shamed, trolled, or fired.


Ah, so you mean current trends in abuse of authority, hounding and cultural clashes on social media. Thanks for the clarification.



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27 Apr 2017, 8:26 pm

Found an interesting website related to conservatism.

What Is Conservatism and What Is Wrong with It?

The picture it paints is that conservatives are bad because they advocate Aristocracies.

Conservative = "Socially unsocial"?


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28 Apr 2017, 11:43 am

The discussion on conservatism vs. liberalism has been likened to capitalism vs. communism.

But, all of our capital comes from a state monopoly, like under Marx.

We're asking who is more greedy, who is more entitled, between the champagne socialist and welfare recipient.

As I have performed deliveries, from an independent business, and asked customers what was their business model, most everyone has some kind of dependency on low status labor, not supported enough to provide basic living expenses. The business is a financial vehicle, used to hide capital and launder subsidies.

One side of this discussion would gladly keep his fellow man ignorant of the way of the world. The other side doesn't want the responsibility.



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29 Apr 2017, 2:45 am

What I've seen from the left since November in terms of rioting and assaults are hardly examples of goof social skills.


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29 Apr 2017, 8:52 am

There is no plausible excuse, to buy-in, and to participate, in good faith, and not be afforded basic amenities, in a developed country.

We waste enough food, to feed the world, yet gluttony and starvation exist, at the same time.

There are reportedly 6 abandoned houses to each homeless person.

Money is imagined into existence, without consideration, distributed at will. The debt is not mathematically-reconcilable, yet we are told the money must be taken from one person and given to another.

We are told that indignity is a necessary part of existence, when it doesn't solve any nameable problem.