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25 Jun 2017, 2:03 pm

"Libertarians" don't seem to realize that capitalism is a form of oppression.

If you need to work 24/7 in order to make just enough money to survive, that isn't freedom.


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25 Jun 2017, 9:12 pm

I would not be concerned about libertarians because libertarians are generally nice, socially responsible people...they just don't realize that others aren't. I also wouldn't be concerned about libertarianism because most people from both the right and left realize that enough people aren't socially responsible enough for laissez-faire capitalism.



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25 Jun 2017, 11:24 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
"Libertarians" don't seem to realize that capitalism is a form of oppression.

If you need to work 24/7 in order to make just enough money to survive, that isn't freedom.

Capitalism is called "global socialism".

First world countries are losers , however, tens of millions of poverty Chinese people are being brought out of poverty.

It's honorable to share your wealth with those less fortunate.



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25 Jun 2017, 11:38 pm

Chronos wrote:
libertarians are generally nice, socially responsible people....


Not that I have observed.



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26 Jun 2017, 1:03 am

Chronos wrote:
I would not be concerned about libertarians because libertarians are generally nice, socially responsible people...they just don't realize that others aren't. I also wouldn't be concerned about libertarianism because most people from both the right and left realize that enough people aren't socially responsible enough for laissez-faire capitalism.


Most people on the right know that capitalism doesn't work. They just don't care.

"Poor people are starving to death? I don't care! Cry me a river you girly liberal!"


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26 Jun 2017, 1:08 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
"Libertarians" don't seem to realize that capitalism is a form of oppression.

If you need to work 24/7 in order to make just enough money to survive, that isn't freedom.

Capitalism is called "global socialism".

First world countries are losers , however, tens of millions of poverty Chinese people are being brought out of poverty.

It's honorable to share your wealth with those less fortunate.

Are you talking about the Chinese people who are working in sweatshops?
Are you trolling or are you seriously this delusional?

Protip: Saying the stupidest thing that you can imagine doesn't generate "liberal tears". We aren't crying. We are pointing and laughing.


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26 Jun 2017, 9:46 pm

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Most people on the right know that capitalism doesn't work. They just don't care.

"Poor people are starving to death? I don't care! Cry me a river you girly liberal!"


What I wonder is how many who go on about the poor, proactively do anything to help them. Like do their actions match their words of concern? It seems like "what can I personally do to help the poor on a regular basis (no matter how much it hurts)" should be their primary objective. If they really actually care about the poor.



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26 Jun 2017, 9:50 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
It's honorable to share your wealth with those less fortunate.


Voluntarily.



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26 Jun 2017, 9:51 pm

EzraS wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Most people on the right know that capitalism doesn't work. They just don't care.

"Poor people are starving to death? I don't care! Cry me a river you girly liberal!"


What I wonder is how many who go on about the poor, proactively do anything to help them. Like do their actions match their words of concern? It seems like "what can I personally do to help the poor on a regular basis (no matter how much it hurts)" should be their primary objective. If they really actually care about the poor.


Exactly.



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26 Jun 2017, 10:02 pm

the_phoenix wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
It's honorable to share your wealth with those less fortunate.


Voluntarily.


That's not a part of the Libertarian creed.



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26 Jun 2017, 10:03 pm

the_phoenix wrote:
EzraS wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Most people on the right know that capitalism doesn't work. They just don't care.

"Poor people are starving to death? I don't care! Cry me a river you girly liberal!"


What I wonder is how many who go on about the poor, proactively do anything to help them. Like do their actions match their words of concern? It seems like "what can I personally do to help the poor on a regular basis (no matter how much it hurts)" should be their primary objective. If they really actually care about the poor.


Exactly.


Why isn't there some huge foundation that people care about the poor donate to, so that poor people can receive a stipend from it? They can completely bypass government aid systems with one of their own. So why hasn't this happened?



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26 Jun 2017, 10:30 pm

EzraS wrote:
What I wonder is how many who go on about the poor, proactively do anything to help them. Like do their actions match their words of concern? It seems like "what can I personally do to help the poor on a regular basis (no matter how much it hurts)" should be their primary objective. If they really actually care about the poor.

Most that are complaining, are poor themselves. They like to point fingers and blame everyone else; businesses and the wealthy. Rather then looking at their own shortcomings that need improvements... Instead, they just demand more for nothing; at the expense of others.

EzraS wrote:
Why isn't there some huge foundation that people care about the poor donate to, so that poor people can receive a stipend from it? They can completely bypass government aid systems with one of their own. So why hasn't this happened?

There is, most of the donations get sucked up by administration costs... Local ones that give back directly and supported by local business, are more effective.



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26 Jun 2017, 10:30 pm

StinkyDog wrote:
the_phoenix wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
It's honorable to share your wealth with those less fortunate.


Voluntarily.


That's not a part of the Libertarian creed.


I'm not Libertarian.



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26 Jun 2017, 10:32 pm

EzraS wrote:
the_phoenix wrote:
EzraS wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Most people on the right know that capitalism doesn't work. They just don't care.

"Poor people are starving to death? I don't care! Cry me a river you girly liberal!"


What I wonder is how many who go on about the poor, proactively do anything to help them. Like do their actions match their words of concern? It seems like "what can I personally do to help the poor on a regular basis (no matter how much it hurts)" should be their primary objective. If they really actually care about the poor.


Exactly.


Why isn't there some huge foundation that people care about the poor donate to, so that poor people can receive a stipend from it? They can completely bypass government aid systems with one of their own. So why hasn't this happened?


There are some good food pantries that are worth donating to, close to where I live.
Maybe you have some near you?



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26 Jun 2017, 10:38 pm

SH90 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
What I wonder is how many who go on about the poor, proactively do anything to help them. Like do their actions match their words of concern? It seems like "what can I personally do to help the poor on a regular basis (no matter how much it hurts)" should be their primary objective. If they really actually care about the poor.

Most that are complaining, are poor themselves. They like to point fingers and blame everyone else; businesses and the wealthy. Rather then looking at their own shortcomings that need improvements... Instead, they just demand more for nothing; at the expense of others.

EzraS wrote:
Why isn't there some huge foundation that people care about the poor donate to, so that poor people can receive a stipend from it? They can completely bypass government aid systems with one of their own. So why hasn't this happened?

There is, most of the donations get sucked up by administration costs... Local ones that give back directly and supported by local business, are more effective.


Point 1:

My best friend whom I lost to heart disease several years ago was dirt poor. It's possible she was on the autism spectrum. Anyways, one day, someone gave her $20 to use towards groceries. Well, my best friend gave half of that money to a stranger on a public Medicaid van "because he looked so sad." When I heard about it, at first I was a little angry and upset thinking about how my friend would now be going without food that she desperately needed ... but thinking about it, it was a very noble, heroic, unselfish thing she did. Some of the poorest people can also be the most generous ... it's all about attitude.

Point 2:

Agree ... smaller, local charities are better than the big bureaucratic ones.

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