Aspergers and the genius/nerd stereotype

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08 Aug 2017, 1:18 pm

Autism can be a distraction from being able learn particular subjects that require explanation. Some people are born with a natural ability to figure SOME things out, but there also has to be a quiet environment in which to learn from someone else or a textbook. Knowledge doesn't just appear in someone's brain at birth, there has to be a process of learning & focus -- either in school or at home with textbooks & adults able to teach or guide the student in the subjects. You could have the potential to learn math, science, technology, but just didn't have the right learning environment or good teachers/caregivers that could guide your learning.

I used to believe higher math was very difficult for me >> dropped out of a AP physics my senior year of high school, because didn't have the confidence in my ability to do well. I struggled in Trig, but managed a B+ average only because I worked very hard at it. If I had better adults to guide me in the subject I wouldn't have struggled. I know this because of my college experience with math -- got lucky with 2 grad students who were willing to tutor me when I took Calculus 1 & 2 & Physics 1 & 2. I did very well all because they did a good job guiding me. I firmly believe any person can learn anything they want to learn, with a good teacher, the right environment, awareness of your best learning style, & a willing mind. :nerdy:



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08 Aug 2017, 1:37 pm

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Hello, these 2 stereotypes seem to be the main ones applied to aspies and people with HFA. In movies and TV, characters with AS and HFA are always shown as extremely intelligent in subjects like maths, science and IT, and generally doing very good in school and ending up with various degrees, ending up working for NASA or something. My hobbies and interests of English history and metal detecting may seem nerdy to most NT people but it goes no further than that. I feel like I'm in the small percentage of aspies that do not fit these stereotypes at all. Im absolutely terrible with maths, science and computers, never did well at all in school. When I wasn't having my destructive meltdowns, I was making life hell for teachers because I didn't understand what they were saying and was to easily distracted so I misbehaved, played pranks on teachers, stopped other kids from doing their work, starting fights with other students all the time, trashing classrooms, causing trouble with my friend and getting excluded all the time. I was generally a very badly behaved, angry, verbally abusive kid right up until I left school. Left with no grade higher than a single B, all the others Cs D's & Fs. The only thing I can say is my spelling has always been the best in my year since I started school. I don't come across as intelligent or nerdy, I never spoke with the stereotypical sophisticated dialect. I would compare myself to Craig Nichols of the vines, I appear pretty dumb and possibly drugged up. Despite this, I am extremely intelligent when it comes to general knowledge and English history and I am more intelligent than my friends who call me dumb. Still far from a genius though. Is there anyone else like me?


You don't seem like a particularly strong candidate for having an ASD, however if you ever achieve anything that makes you famous and\or leaves a mark then people will posthumously diagnose you with an ASD. That's how it works.



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08 Aug 2017, 1:40 pm

I was never a straight A student until middle school when I started getting help, and I was never into math or science and was never good with math. I am not tech or computer smart and I have never invented anything or taken things apart to and make something new. I also certainly am not gifted and I am not a genius nor above average. My parents certainly exaggerated my intelligence and calling me a gift and that was the hard truth I had to find out I was not as smart as they made it out to be. Lot of parents exaggerate their kids intelligence and strengths. I was also academically delayed. I also had behavior and I was easily distracted and had meltdowns in class but when I was young I didn't until puberty. I wasn't too disruptive and just as long as things were going smoothly and I was calm, I was fine. It was mostly other kids who would cause them because of their chaotic behavior and not following the rules and then the teacher can't teach or it makes it harder for me to learn because of the other kids acting up. And this was a normal school, not a special needs school. Plus it would be hard for me to keep up in class because everything seemed to go too quickly like when we would correct papers and I had a slower processing speed. I could also never go geometry and autists are supposedly good at it because of their visual thinking. I can also never do spatual things in my head where you fold images to make a shape. I have to psychically do it, not in my head. I also had a hard time understanding literature because I couldn't make out what was going on in the story and learning stuff I have no interest in was also very hard. It's so boring I can't get myself to focus and concentrate on it. But I did better with facts like in History or in Spanish because it was all concrete and I did better in drama because all I had to do was memorize line and that was it. It was only the social part and group projects I found hard so that affected my grade. The reason why I found groups so boring was because I had a hard time in them so of course I would find them boring. As a child I would try and avoid group projects and would just sit there or act goofy because I was bored. Then when I got older I just sat and did nothing and only did what I was told to do. It's a common stereotype that aspies are the ring leaders and take over projects and want everything to go their way but I am the opposite. I am passive and don't like to be the leader or in the center of attention or have people hating me. I also read late. I was also never a little professor. In fact I was seen as slow and retarded by my peers and scored low on IQ tests in the mildly retarded range.


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08 Aug 2017, 1:47 pm

Chichikov wrote:
Roo95 wrote:
Hello, these 2 stereotypes seem to be the main ones applied to aspies and people with HFA. In movies and TV, characters with AS and HFA are always shown as extremely intelligent in subjects like maths, science and IT, and generally doing very good in school and ending up with various degrees, ending up working for NASA or something. My hobbies and interests of English history and metal detecting may seem nerdy to most NT people but it goes no further than that. I feel like I'm in the small percentage of aspies that do not fit these stereotypes at all. Im absolutely terrible with maths, science and computers, never did well at all in school. When I wasn't having my destructive meltdowns, I was making life hell for teachers because I didn't understand what they were saying and was to easily distracted so I misbehaved, played pranks on teachers, stopped other kids from doing their work, starting fights with other students all the time, trashing classrooms, causing trouble with my friend and getting excluded all the time. I was generally a very badly behaved, angry, verbally abusive kid right up until I left school. Left with no grade higher than a single B, all the others Cs D's & Fs. The only thing I can say is my spelling has always been the best in my year since I started school. I don't come across as intelligent or nerdy, I never spoke with the stereotypical sophisticated dialect. I would compare myself to Craig Nichols of the vines, I appear pretty dumb and possibly drugged up. Despite this, I am extremely intelligent when it comes to general knowledge and English history and I am more intelligent than my friends who call me dumb. Still far from a genius though. Is there anyone else like me?


You don't seem like a particularly strong candidate for having an ASD, however if you ever achieve anything that makes you famous and\or leaves a mark then people will posthumously diagnose you with an ASD. That's how it works.


Why not? Some of OP's behavior sounds a lot like ADHD. ADHD children often behave like that, that's just so typical. Get easily distracted at school and disturb other kinds in class.

And ASD has a high comorbidity with ADHD (see e.g. http://www.healthline.com/health/adhd/a ... #overview1). So it's not uncommon to have strong ADHD symptoms and have ASD at the same time.

Also, there's the possibility the OP has in fact only some form of ADHD without ASD. I'm not the one to judge, though.



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08 Aug 2017, 1:55 pm

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Chichikov wrote:
Roo95 wrote:
Hello, these 2 stereotypes seem to be the main ones applied to aspies and people with HFA. In movies and TV, characters with AS and HFA are always shown as extremely intelligent in subjects like maths, science and IT, and generally doing very good in school and ending up with various degrees, ending up working for NASA or something. My hobbies and interests of English history and metal detecting may seem nerdy to most NT people but it goes no further than that. I feel like I'm in the small percentage of aspies that do not fit these stereotypes at all. Im absolutely terrible with maths, science and computers, never did well at all in school. When I wasn't having my destructive meltdowns, I was making life hell for teachers because I didn't understand what they were saying and was to easily distracted so I misbehaved, played pranks on teachers, stopped other kids from doing their work, starting fights with other students all the time, trashing classrooms, causing trouble with my friend and getting excluded all the time. I was generally a very badly behaved, angry, verbally abusive kid right up until I left school. Left with no grade higher than a single B, all the others Cs D's & Fs. The only thing I can say is my spelling has always been the best in my year since I started school. I don't come across as intelligent or nerdy, I never spoke with the stereotypical sophisticated dialect. I would compare myself to Craig Nichols of the vines, I appear pretty dumb and possibly drugged up. Despite this, I am extremely intelligent when it comes to general knowledge and English history and I am more intelligent than my friends who call me dumb. Still far from a genius though. Is there anyone else like me?


You don't seem like a particularly strong candidate for having an ASD, however if you ever achieve anything that makes you famous and\or leaves a mark then people will posthumously diagnose you with an ASD. That's how it works.


Why not? Some of OP's behavior sounds a lot like ADHD. ADHD children often behave like that, that's just so typical. Get easily distracted at school and disturb other kinds in class.

And ASD has a high comorbidity with ADHD (see e.g. http://www.healthline.com/health/adhd/a ... #overview1). So it's not uncommon to have strong ADHD symptoms and have ASD at the same time.

Also, there's the possibility the OP has in fact only some form of ADHD without ASD. I'm not the one to judge, though.


I agree with anti_gone. Why isn't he a "candidate for ASD?" :lol: Because he doesn't fit a stereotype? Not everybody with ASD is good at math or school, you know :D .


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08 Aug 2017, 1:58 pm

Saying someone isn't a good candidate for ASD is almost saying they don't have an ASD. That's how it sounds to me when someone says it like they are telling them they don't have it. But the OP was asking if anyone else here doesn't fit the ASD stereotype.


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08 Aug 2017, 1:59 pm

Sorry, my bad, I got the OP mixed up with someone else who posted something else on a completely different thread :lol:



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08 Aug 2017, 2:50 pm

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Sorry, my bad, I got the OP mixed up with someone else who posted something else on a completely different thread :lol:

I was certain you were making a joke. If you were not, I am just confused. What else is new?



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08 Aug 2017, 2:52 pm

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Sorry, my bad, I got the OP mixed up with someone else who posted something else on a completely different thread :lol:

I was certain you were making a joke. If you were not, I am just confused. What else is new?


Oh :lol: . I didn't get it. I don't get a lot of jokes unless I think about them lol.


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08 Aug 2017, 3:05 pm

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None of us are like you.

We are all highly paid IT specialists, or are highly paid rocket scientists.

Every member of WP is either just like Sheldon Leonard, or is just like Bill Gates. And we are all rolling in money, and rolling in high status caused by our prodigious nerdity!

(sarcasm)


Which is why we're all home, day and night, with nothing better to do than post on Wrong Planet - we're all independently wealthy from our self-designed IT Tech. :D

I didn't misbehave much, I got over the Class Clown syndrome after first grade, when I realized the kids laughing AT me were not laughing WITH me, and finding me funny did not make them like me. I did retain my sense of humor, but stayed mostly to the back of the class and drew, or read books. I never started fights, instead, I faded into the wallpaper and remained invisible.

Because I was a voracious reader, intellectually, I was generally ahead of my class, but a lousy student. Most classes bored me, because I'd already learned that stuff two years earlier from my own reading, and I only did homework if I could finish it in school. I refused to do schoolwork on MY own time, so my grades were based primarily on tests. I survived on Bs and Cs in most areas, but I'm a horrible mathematician and very nearly didn't graduate with my class because I failed every math class they put me in. I had to ace my "business math" (balancing your checkbook) final in order to graduate. Only test I ever studied for.

To this day, it's all I can do to make sure my household bills get paid on time. I'm pretty methodical about that, but anything more complicated gives me anxiety attacks. I'm organized, but not complicated.


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08 Aug 2017, 3:06 pm

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Sorry, my bad, I got the OP mixed up with someone else who posted something else on a completely different thread :lol:

I was certain you were making a joke. If you were not, I am just confused. What else is new?


Oh :lol: . I didn't get it. I don't get a lot of jokes unless I think about them lol.

I apply rules of logic. If A is absurd then B, must be joke.

A.
"then people will posthumously diagnose you with an ASD. That's how it works."
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joke

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08 Aug 2017, 3:09 pm

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StampySquiddyFan wrote:
soloha wrote:
Chichikov wrote:
Sorry, my bad, I got the OP mixed up with someone else who posted something else on a completely different thread :lol:

I was certain you were making a joke. If you were not, I am just confused. What else is new?


Oh :lol: . I didn't get it. I don't get a lot of jokes unless I think about them lol.

I apply rules of logic. If A is absurd then B, must be joke.

A.
"then people will posthumously diagnose you with an ASD. That's how it works."
B.
joke

:)


I usually to that for sarcasm. Thanks for the advice, though- I'm definitely using that next time somebody doesn't use a happy smile in their post or when I can't tell in real life lol :D .


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08 Aug 2017, 3:57 pm

I think the stereotype now is that we're all rude, creepy, unpleasant, selfish, cold-blooded murderers that will commit the next mass murder or school shooting. I liked it a whole lot better when people thought we were just geeks and nerds. :(



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I think the stereotype now is that we're all rude, creepy, unpleasant, selfish, cold-blooded murderers that will commit the next mass murder or school shooting. I liked it a whole lot better when people thought we were just geeks and nerds. :(


Yeah- I'd rather be seen as a nerd than a creepy selfish murderer :( .


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08 Aug 2017, 5:51 pm

I don't fit the nerd stereotype. I'm more of a Schultz. I have an IQ that low average to average and I can be easily duped sometimes. I also do other cute Sid things that I don't realize until people tell me. Things like making facial expressions while others talk or struggling with my eye-contact. I also cry easily when I have a meltdown.


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08 Aug 2017, 6:01 pm

Sheldon Cooper is pretty much an "Aspie Stereotype."

He's no cold-blooded murderer---he's just rather unpleasant (and nerdy/geeky).

I truly hope people don't believe Aspies are all like Sheldon.