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10 Nov 2017, 11:27 pm

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You mean they can be jerks to whoever they want? That's hardly an improvement.


No I mean it seems that the non-supporters have been the ones acting like jerks verbally and physically attacking supporters. Put another way, would you feel safe going out in public wearing something pro-trump or would you expect to get ganged up on and attacked?

My point exactly. They ought to stop doing that.



And they wouldn't stop doing it because of the leftist media continuing to push out the Anti-Trump Propaganda saying he did this or did that or saying "That's offensive" or "That'll ruin America." He is actually doing the right thing so far.

As far as him acting like he's a jerk is because other people are acting like jerks. It's a joke. It was not meant to be taken seriously. I thought at first he was offensive to me, but when I watch the conservative news on Youtube, he really wasn't. The leftist media tries to think like he is being serious when really he isn't. The reason behind why Trump won the election in the first place is because of Hillary lying, the email scandal, and most of all NTs are waking up to the fact that there is a major problem from the Democrats side because of Hillary being there and the history behind her and Bill's mischevious schemes and the Fake leftist News. Do I still watch Youtube videos on people from the left? Yes, not as often because of them still bringing information on how bad Trump is and how bad it's going to be for this country. I know people still might change their mind on voting Trump again in 2020. I get that, but I do believe that Trump will win again in 2020 if the Democrats keep up with their schemes. If you watch some conservative news you'll have a different opinion. You'll also see how bad some of the leftists are. It's unbelievable.

The hate groups Antifa, Far Right, Far Left, whatever it's called, are there for the same reason, brainwashed by leftist media. Thanks to George Soros.

Trump is much different if you look at the conservative side of things. That is what the majority of people look up to.

Even though I'm autistic myself, I double check to make sure the information is factual as it can be and not information that can be brainwashing.

Lastly, Conservatives are there for balancing. They are looking for common ground. Watch a PragerU video on youtube on why a pay raise to $15 an hour minimum wage is a bad idea or on the Civil War and Slavery.


If Trump is polite on conservative shows and videos, it's only because that's his base. And even if his rudeness and vulgarities are an act, that's no way for the President to behave. The Oval Office isn't a reality TV show.
As far as doing the right thing - giving people in coal country false hope, all the while turning the clock back in alternative energy development helps no one but China, which is moving forward to replace us in that field.
The people he chose to head various departments, such as the EPA, and education, are jokes.
His healthcare scheme is motivated by his narcissistic need to erase Obama's name and accomplishments from the public record, even if that means leaving millions of Americans with zero access to health care.
Empowering the real hate groups of the Alt Right is nothing short of deplorable. By the way, if you're down on Antifa, you can thank Trump and the Alt Right for their birth, as Trump and friends are the only reason why Antifa even exists.
As for conservative stances on slavery and the Civil War - - are you talking about Neo-Confederate revisionism? Because as one who has earned a degree in history, I can tell you that revisionism is a crock of sh*t.



Even though Trump acts the way he does, he's doing it for a purpose. It's to not be politically correct unlike the corrupted left. They say these things and yet they do nothing to put on what's done about it except to only make the situation worse. He would let people in the coal country still do their work because Trump doesn't believe in climate change. Yes he may change his stance on it from time to time, but there is one possible reason why the Antarctic ice is melting and one of them is not because of man-made climate change. Obama made very outspoken promises about the healthcare that some parts of the healthcare promised never came to be because of the Republican-held Congress and made it fail because of issues that were in it were too bold. That's what I mean about looking for common ground. Trump has called for the blame of Antifa, and the Alt-Right because they were causing too much violence. They have killed innocent people during that mayhem who had no part in that.

No. Neo-Confederates are people who are somehow offended by the statues of Confederate soldiers and want's them removed from landmarks. That's Neo-Confederate revisionism. Wanting to repeat history by erasing history.



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10 Nov 2017, 11:40 pm

jikijiki53 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
jikijiki53 wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
You mean they can be jerks to whoever they want? That's hardly an improvement.


No I mean it seems that the non-supporters have been the ones acting like jerks verbally and physically attacking supporters. Put another way, would you feel safe going out in public wearing something pro-trump or would you expect to get ganged up on and attacked?

My point exactly. They ought to stop doing that.



And they wouldn't stop doing it because of the leftist media continuing to push out the Anti-Trump Propaganda saying he did this or did that or saying "That's offensive" or "That'll ruin America." He is actually doing the right thing so far.

As far as him acting like he's a jerk is because other people are acting like jerks. It's a joke. It was not meant to be taken seriously. I thought at first he was offensive to me, but when I watch the conservative news on Youtube, he really wasn't. The leftist media tries to think like he is being serious when really he isn't. The reason behind why Trump won the election in the first place is because of Hillary lying, the email scandal, and most of all NTs are waking up to the fact that there is a major problem from the Democrats side because of Hillary being there and the history behind her and Bill's mischevious schemes and the Fake leftist News. Do I still watch Youtube videos on people from the left? Yes, not as often because of them still bringing information on how bad Trump is and how bad it's going to be for this country. I know people still might change their mind on voting Trump again in 2020. I get that, but I do believe that Trump will win again in 2020 if the Democrats keep up with their schemes. If you watch some conservative news you'll have a different opinion. You'll also see how bad some of the leftists are. It's unbelievable.

The hate groups Antifa, Far Right, Far Left, whatever it's called, are there for the same reason, brainwashed by leftist media. Thanks to George Soros.

Trump is much different if you look at the conservative side of things. That is what the majority of people look up to.

Even though I'm autistic myself, I double check to make sure the information is factual as it can be and not information that can be brainwashing.

Lastly, Conservatives are there for balancing. They are looking for common ground. Watch a PragerU video on youtube on why a pay raise to $15 an hour minimum wage is a bad idea or on the Civil War and Slavery.


If Trump is polite on conservative shows and videos, it's only because that's his base. And even if his rudeness and vulgarities are an act, that's no way for the President to behave. The Oval Office isn't a reality TV show.
As far as doing the right thing - giving people in coal country false hope, all the while turning the clock back in alternative energy development helps no one but China, which is moving forward to replace us in that field.
The people he chose to head various departments, such as the EPA, and education, are jokes.
His healthcare scheme is motivated by his narcissistic need to erase Obama's name and accomplishments from the public record, even if that means leaving millions of Americans with zero access to health care.
Empowering the real hate groups of the Alt Right is nothing short of deplorable. By the way, if you're down on Antifa, you can thank Trump and the Alt Right for their birth, as Trump and friends are the only reason why Antifa even exists.
As for conservative stances on slavery and the Civil War - - are you talking about Neo-Confederate revisionism? Because as one who has earned a degree in history, I can tell you that revisionism is a crock of sh*t.



Even though Trump acts the way he does, he's doing it for a purpose. It's to not be politically correct unlike the corrupted left. They say these things and yet they do nothing to put on what's done about it except to only make the situation worse. He would let people in the coal country still do their work because Trump doesn't believe in climate change. Yes he may change his stance on it from time to time, but there is one possible reason why the Antarctic ice is melting and one of them is not because of man-made climate change. Obama made very outspoken promises about the healthcare that some parts of the healthcare promised never came to be because of the Republican-held Congress and made it fail because of issues that were in it were too bold. That's what I mean about looking for common ground. Trump has called for the blame of Antifa, and the Alt-Right because they were causing too much violence. They have killed innocent people during that mayhem who had no part in that.

No. Neo-Confederates are people who are somehow offended by the statues of Confederate soldiers and want's them removed from landmarks. That's Neo-Confederate revisionism. Wanting to repeat history by erasing history.


Uh, no, I'm pretty certain Neo-Confederates are racists who defend "the Lost Cause," and who justify slavery and racism with their revisionism of Civil War history. The people you are talking about are Anti-Confederates.
While Antifa has gotten out of hand with destruction of property, they haven't committed murder, like the Alt Right.


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11 Nov 2017, 12:51 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
jikijiki53 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
jikijiki53 wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
You mean they can be jerks to whoever they want? That's hardly an improvement.


No I mean it seems that the non-supporters have been the ones acting like jerks verbally and physically attacking supporters. Put another way, would you feel safe going out in public wearing something pro-trump or would you expect to get ganged up on and attacked?

My point exactly. They ought to stop doing that.



And they wouldn't stop doing it because of the leftist media continuing to push out the Anti-Trump Propaganda saying he did this or did that or saying "That's offensive" or "That'll ruin America." He is actually doing the right thing so far.

As far as him acting like he's a jerk is because other people are acting like jerks. It's a joke. It was not meant to be taken seriously. I thought at first he was offensive to me, but when I watch the conservative news on Youtube, he really wasn't. The leftist media tries to think like he is being serious when really he isn't. The reason behind why Trump won the election in the first place is because of Hillary lying, the email scandal, and most of all NTs are waking up to the fact that there is a major problem from the Democrats side because of Hillary being there and the history behind her and Bill's mischevious schemes and the Fake leftist News. Do I still watch Youtube videos on people from the left? Yes, not as often because of them still bringing information on how bad Trump is and how bad it's going to be for this country. I know people still might change their mind on voting Trump again in 2020. I get that, but I do believe that Trump will win again in 2020 if the Democrats keep up with their schemes. If you watch some conservative news you'll have a different opinion. You'll also see how bad some of the leftists are. It's unbelievable.

The hate groups Antifa, Far Right, Far Left, whatever it's called, are there for the same reason, brainwashed by leftist media. Thanks to George Soros.

Trump is much different if you look at the conservative side of things. That is what the majority of people look up to.

Even though I'm autistic myself, I double check to make sure the information is factual as it can be and not information that can be brainwashing.

Lastly, Conservatives are there for balancing. They are looking for common ground. Watch a PragerU video on youtube on why a pay raise to $15 an hour minimum wage is a bad idea or on the Civil War and Slavery.


If Trump is polite on conservative shows and videos, it's only because that's his base. And even if his rudeness and vulgarities are an act, that's no way for the President to behave. The Oval Office isn't a reality TV show.
As far as doing the right thing - giving people in coal country false hope, all the while turning the clock back in alternative energy development helps no one but China, which is moving forward to replace us in that field.
The people he chose to head various departments, such as the EPA, and education, are jokes.
His healthcare scheme is motivated by his narcissistic need to erase Obama's name and accomplishments from the public record, even if that means leaving millions of Americans with zero access to health care.
Empowering the real hate groups of the Alt Right is nothing short of deplorable. By the way, if you're down on Antifa, you can thank Trump and the Alt Right for their birth, as Trump and friends are the only reason why Antifa even exists.
As for conservative stances on slavery and the Civil War - - are you talking about Neo-Confederate revisionism? Because as one who has earned a degree in history, I can tell you that revisionism is a crock of sh*t.



Even though Trump acts the way he does, he's doing it for a purpose. It's to not be politically correct unlike the corrupted left. They say these things and yet they do nothing to put on what's done about it except to only make the situation worse. He would let people in the coal country still do their work because Trump doesn't believe in climate change. Yes he may change his stance on it from time to time, but there is one possible reason why the Antarctic ice is melting and one of them is not because of man-made climate change. Obama made very outspoken promises about the healthcare that some parts of the healthcare promised never came to be because of the Republican-held Congress and made it fail because of issues that were in it were too bold. That's what I mean about looking for common ground. Trump has called for the blame of Antifa, and the Alt-Right because they were causing too much violence. They have killed innocent people during that mayhem who had no part in that.

No. Neo-Confederates are people who are somehow offended by the statues of Confederate soldiers and want's them removed from landmarks. That's Neo-Confederate revisionism. Wanting to repeat history by erasing history.


Uh, no, I'm pretty certain Neo-Confederates are racists who defend "the Lost Cause," and who justify slavery and racism with their revisionism of Civil War history. The people you are talking about are Anti-Confederates.
While Antifa has gotten out of hand with destruction of property, they haven't committed murder, like the Alt Right.


Either way. Both of them are protesting the wrong way and they should pay for it.



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11 Nov 2017, 3:59 am

jikijiki53 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
jikijiki53 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
jikijiki53 wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
You mean they can be jerks to whoever they want? That's hardly an improvement.


No I mean it seems that the non-supporters have been the ones acting like jerks verbally and physically attacking supporters. Put another way, would you feel safe going out in public wearing something pro-trump or would you expect to get ganged up on and attacked?

My point exactly. They ought to stop doing that.



And they wouldn't stop doing it because of the leftist media continuing to push out the Anti-Trump Propaganda saying he did this or did that or saying "That's offensive" or "That'll ruin America." He is actually doing the right thing so far.

As far as him acting like he's a jerk is because other people are acting like jerks. It's a joke. It was not meant to be taken seriously. I thought at first he was offensive to me, but when I watch the conservative news on Youtube, he really wasn't. The leftist media tries to think like he is being serious when really he isn't. The reason behind why Trump won the election in the first place is because of Hillary lying, the email scandal, and most of all NTs are waking up to the fact that there is a major problem from the Democrats side because of Hillary being there and the history behind her and Bill's mischevious schemes and the Fake leftist News. Do I still watch Youtube videos on people from the left? Yes, not as often because of them still bringing information on how bad Trump is and how bad it's going to be for this country. I know people still might change their mind on voting Trump again in 2020. I get that, but I do believe that Trump will win again in 2020 if the Democrats keep up with their schemes. If you watch some conservative news you'll have a different opinion. You'll also see how bad some of the leftists are. It's unbelievable.

The hate groups Antifa, Far Right, Far Left, whatever it's called, are there for the same reason, brainwashed by leftist media. Thanks to George Soros.

Trump is much different if you look at the conservative side of things. That is what the majority of people look up to.

Even though I'm autistic myself, I double check to make sure the information is factual as it can be and not information that can be brainwashing.

Lastly, Conservatives are there for balancing. They are looking for common ground. Watch a PragerU video on youtube on why a pay raise to $15 an hour minimum wage is a bad idea or on the Civil War and Slavery.


If Trump is polite on conservative shows and videos, it's only because that's his base. And even if his rudeness and vulgarities are an act, that's no way for the President to behave. The Oval Office isn't a reality TV show.
As far as doing the right thing - giving people in coal country false hope, all the while turning the clock back in alternative energy development helps no one but China, which is moving forward to replace us in that field.
The people he chose to head various departments, such as the EPA, and education, are jokes.
His healthcare scheme is motivated by his narcissistic need to erase Obama's name and accomplishments from the public record, even if that means leaving millions of Americans with zero access to health care.
Empowering the real hate groups of the Alt Right is nothing short of deplorable. By the way, if you're down on Antifa, you can thank Trump and the Alt Right for their birth, as Trump and friends are the only reason why Antifa even exists.
As for conservative stances on slavery and the Civil War - - are you talking about Neo-Confederate revisionism? Because as one who has earned a degree in history, I can tell you that revisionism is a crock of sh*t.



Even though Trump acts the way he does, he's doing it for a purpose. It's to not be politically correct unlike the corrupted left. They say these things and yet they do nothing to put on what's done about it except to only make the situation worse. He would let people in the coal country still do their work because Trump doesn't believe in climate change. Yes he may change his stance on it from time to time, but there is one possible reason why the Antarctic ice is melting and one of them is not because of man-made climate change. Obama made very outspoken promises about the healthcare that some parts of the healthcare promised never came to be because of the Republican-held Congress and made it fail because of issues that were in it were too bold. That's what I mean about looking for common ground. Trump has called for the blame of Antifa, and the Alt-Right because they were causing too much violence. They have killed innocent people during that mayhem who had no part in that.

No. Neo-Confederates are people who are somehow offended by the statues of Confederate soldiers and want's them removed from landmarks. That's Neo-Confederate revisionism. Wanting to repeat history by erasing history.


Uh, no, I'm pretty certain Neo-Confederates are racists who defend "the Lost Cause," and who justify slavery and racism with their revisionism of Civil War history. The people you are talking about are Anti-Confederates.
While Antifa has gotten out of hand with destruction of property, they haven't committed murder, like the Alt Right.


Either way. Both of them are protesting the wrong way and they should pay for it.


Why pay for it? Dissension is part of the American experience, whether right or wrong. Thusly, people should have the right to b*tch and moan about what they want.


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11 Nov 2017, 5:45 am

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There's lots of conservatively-minded people in Virginia.

I would bet many religious people there got tired of the amorality of Trump----and took it out on the Republican candidate.


Was speaking recently to a friend who lives in VA. She said there's a lot of dissatisfaction with the red side of Congress amongst GOP voters, which matches what I'm reading on social media and in the press.

Far from being a protest against Trump, this seems to be a revolt against the 'establishment' perceived to be undermining or failing to support him.



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14 Nov 2017, 4:04 pm

Why pay for it? Dissension is part of the American experience, whether right or wrong. Thusly, people should have the right to b*tch and moan about what they want.[/quote]

Ok yes I know people have the right to complain about things but destroying other people's property while complaining about their issues is not the way how it should be. It's ok to protest on the streets, just not on other people's property and destroying it. (That's what I was getting at.)



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Why pay for it? Dissension is part of the American experience, whether right or wrong. Thusly, people should have the right to b*tch and moan about what they want.


Ok yes I know people have the right to complain about things but destroying other people's property while complaining about their issues is not the way how it should be. It's ok to protest on the streets, just not on other people's property and destroying it. (That's what I was getting at.)[/quote]

Sure. But not all Anti-Trumpers have engaged in such destructive behavior, through they get painted with the same brush.


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21 Nov 2017, 12:22 pm

I think Trump is doing just fine as a president. If people voted based on what type of person you were, I don’t think he would get very far in the polls. I agree with 80% of what he is doing as president and if he runs again and has gone through with everything he said, I would vote for him for a second term. The balance of trade since he has been in office has an upward trend line, and I believe he will do better for the economy maybe not relations with a few countries but economically we should get better.

You can disregard my opinion because of my age all you want but I have been educated in more economics and politics in 8 months then most people probably have in 3 years. My Geography teacher was former Navy and talked about economics and politics in a heavy extent. If you had been in some of the classes then, you would understand. We were made to research among these subjects in every presentation.


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I think Trump is doing just fine as a president. If people voted based on what type of person you were, I don’t think he would get very far in the polls. I agree with 80% of what he is doing as president and if he runs again and has gone through with everything he said, I would vote for him for a second term. The balance of trade since he has been in office has an upward trend line, and I believe he will do better for the economy maybe not relations with a few countries but economically we should get better.

You can disregard my opinion because of my age all you want but I have been educated in more economics and politics in 8 months then most people probably have in 3 years. My Geography teacher was former Navy and talked about economics and politics in a heavy extent. If you had been in some of the classes then, you would understand. We were made to research among these subjects in every presentation.


Policy and achievements are an important part of how a President is judged but not the only one. The president is a symbol to the world of the United States as a country. I think with a better personality he would get a lot more of his policy done.

I think a lot of people voted for him because of his personality. Everything the mainstream media hates about him is what many Americans like about him.

The vast majority of voters as well as as leaders of other countries enemies and friends are neurotypical and personality is a major factor in how they judge and deal with other leaders.


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21 Nov 2017, 1:40 pm

Well that voting method doesn’t seem very objective. People shouldn't go by personality because that says almost nothing as their competency as a leader. I would go by policies and their reliability to follow through with it (which does somewhat have to do with personality).

I have noticed before that people tend to run against the grain of the media. If the media says something, many people will, without thoroughly thinking, believe the opposite of what they say, whether it makes sense or not. Then there are the people who fall right into whatever the media says, and aggressively defend it like their own opinion. There are both types of people on either side of a mass debate. Then there are the small percentage of people who think objectively and can be swayed by their own thoughts and opinions, who also exist on both sides of a mass debate. They go where their current values and beliefs are.

Each of these types are still people with there own individual thoughts and opinions. I did not type any of this as a ‘blanket generalization’ born from black and white thinking. One cannot divide every human being in the entire United States into just 3 groups and nobody entirely fits any of those types. Many do not belong in them at all.


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21 Nov 2017, 1:55 pm

I think it's kind of arrogant to look at one side and insinuate that they're the ones who need to change their minds.

How many Democrats could be persuaded to vote Republican? I imagine that would be a similarly small fraction.

We have to accept that people are going to disagree on things and not everyone is going to share our political beliefs, and those who see things differently are not necessarily bad people because of it.



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21 Nov 2017, 2:11 pm

^^^ I agree, both parties seem to think that the other absolutely wrong and they are absolutely right. People should be left to their own political beliefs instead of treating it like light side versus the dark side. Both parties have good qualities and both have bad. As for which you believe are good or bad, is based on your own opinions.


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Well that voting method doesn’t seem very objective.


To a point. But as with the case of Trump if the candidate is not an objective person, makes decisions by gut instinct and emotion, should that not factor into voters decision? Especially for an office where your job description is control of the nuclear codes.


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ScarletIbis wrote:
Well that voting method doesn’t seem very objective.


To a point. But as with the case of Trump if the candidate is not an objective person, makes decisions by gut instinct and emotion, should that not factor into voters decision? Especially for an office where your job description is control of the nuclear codes.

I suppose that is true. Not every situation is the same so not all rules apply to every election and every candidate.


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