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26 Nov 2017, 5:19 pm

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But a country where all the power is vested in government can easily cease being democratic.


A country where corporations are so powerful as to control government also can be freedom destroying.


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26 Nov 2017, 7:09 pm

That's also true but you can at least boycott companies you cannot boycott the government. Companies can only really come very powerful through making something is extremely beneficial to society (which is a rarity) or by bribing a government to obey them (which is more common). I am very concerned with the whole net neutrality thing coming out of America, big business and big government working together is very scary at first they will use it to censor their competition but eventually it will be used to censor political opinions they don't like. I think a salient example of this is Merkle's hot mic moment with Zuckerberg wanting to censor people who criticise her refugee policy or the banks in France shutting Le pens bank accounts.



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26 Nov 2017, 9:12 pm

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That's also true but you can at least boycott companies you cannot boycott the government. Companies can only really come very powerful through making something is extremely beneficial to society (which is a rarity) or by bribing a government to obey them (which is more common). I am very concerned with the whole net neutrality thing coming out of America, big business and big government working together is very scary at first they will use it to censor their competition but eventually it will be used to censor political opinions they don't like. I think a salient example of this is Merkle's hot mic moment with Zuckerberg wanting to censor people who criticise her refugee policy or the banks in France shutting Le pens bank accounts.


In a democracy, you can boycott the current government by voting them out.
I don't think political critics should ever be silenced, though cutting off the Le Pens from their bank accounts sounds deliciously funny! :twisted:


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26 Nov 2017, 9:29 pm

Except when there is a political monopoly like there is in the UK and US were two parties absolutely dominate and your choice is merely a choice of the lesser evils.



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26 Nov 2017, 9:56 pm

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Except when there is a political monopoly like there is in the UK and US were two parties absolutely dominate and your choice is merely a choice of the lesser evils.


The fact of the matter is, though, corporations and the rich have bought and payed for much of the two parties. Elected officials are more interested in serving corporate masters and special interests than with serving the people.


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26 Nov 2017, 10:02 pm

Yeah that is true but partly that's because they kind of have to. Microsoft never used to give any money to politicians and when they decided to give away for free internet explorer the government decided to sue them for Anti trust. I think the solution is a constitution that limits both the power of government and of companies.



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26 Nov 2017, 10:46 pm

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Yeah that is true but partly that's because they kind of have to. Microsoft never used to give any money to politicians and when they decided to give away for free internet explorer the government decided to sue them for Anti trust. I think the solution is a constitution that limits both the power of government and of companies.


I agree with your conclusion.


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26 Nov 2017, 11:21 pm

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I think Africans taking their land back is a just action. Mugabe was corrupt and just gave it to his supporters hence why it failed.

Gaining independence and promoting racist ethnic nationalism are two different things; unfortunately Zimbabwe committed the latter.

Taking back stolen land is not ethnic nationalism, here in the UK 1000 years ago our land was stolen and these families still mostly own that land to the point that we have the second most unequal distribution of land in the world only better that Brazil.

Yeah! Someone should send those thieving Normans back where they came from! Keep England for the English, not for foreign invaders like the Normans.

Remember that the royal family is descended from that arch-usurper, William the Conqueror AKA William the Bastard!
I think we should put the direct descendant of King Harold II on the throne so we can have a Saxon king again!


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26 Nov 2017, 11:29 pm

I don't think we should have a monarch or deport anyone I just don't think we should allow families to keep vast amounts of wealth which were gain by violence.



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27 Nov 2017, 12:29 am

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Daniel89 wrote:
TUAndrew wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
I think Africans taking their land back is a just action. Mugabe was corrupt and just gave it to his supporters hence why it failed.

Gaining independence and promoting racist ethnic nationalism are two different things; unfortunately Zimbabwe committed the latter.

Taking back stolen land is not ethnic nationalism, here in the UK 1000 years ago our land was stolen and these families still mostly own that land to the point that we have the second most unequal distribution of land in the world only better that Brazil.

Yeah! Someone should send those thieving Normans back where they came from! Keep England for the English, not for foreign invaders like the Normans.

Remember that the royal family is descended from that arch-usurper, William the Conqueror AKA William the Bastard!
I think we should put the direct descendant of King Harold II on the throne so we can have a Saxon king again!


By that thinking, the English should have to return to Germany, the Netherlands, and Denmark. :lol:


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27 Nov 2017, 2:05 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
TUAndrew wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
I think Africans taking their land back is a just action. Mugabe was corrupt and just gave it to his supporters hence why it failed.

Gaining independence and promoting racist ethnic nationalism are two different things; unfortunately Zimbabwe committed the latter.

Taking back stolen land is not ethnic nationalism, here in the UK 1000 years ago our land was stolen and these families still mostly own that land to the point that we have the second most unequal distribution of land in the world only better that Brazil.

Yeah! Someone should send those thieving Normans back where they came from! Keep England for the English, not for foreign invaders like the Normans.

Remember that the royal family is descended from that arch-usurper, William the Conqueror AKA William the Bastard!
I think we should put the direct descendant of King Harold II on the throne so we can have a Saxon king again!


By that thinking, the English should have to return to Germany, the Netherlands, and Denmark. :lol:

If we give England back to the Celts we'll have to rename it. Any suggestions?


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27 Nov 2017, 2:08 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
TUAndrew wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
I think Africans taking their land back is a just action. Mugabe was corrupt and just gave it to his supporters hence why it failed.

Gaining independence and promoting racist ethnic nationalism are two different things; unfortunately Zimbabwe committed the latter.

Taking back stolen land is not ethnic nationalism, here in the UK 1000 years ago our land was stolen and these families still mostly own that land to the point that we have the second most unequal distribution of land in the world only better that Brazil.

Yeah! Someone should send those thieving Normans back where they came from! Keep England for the English, not for foreign invaders like the Normans.

Remember that the royal family is descended from that arch-usurper, William the Conqueror AKA William the Bastard!
I think we should put the direct descendant of King Harold II on the throne so we can have a Saxon king again!


By that thinking, the English should have to return to Germany, the Netherlands, and Denmark. :lol:

If we give England back to the Celts we'll have to rename it. Any suggestions?


Britain, like before.


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27 Nov 2017, 2:22 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
TUAndrew wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
I think Africans taking their land back is a just action. Mugabe was corrupt and just gave it to his supporters hence why it failed.

Gaining independence and promoting racist ethnic nationalism are two different things; unfortunately Zimbabwe committed the latter.

Taking back stolen land is not ethnic nationalism, here in the UK 1000 years ago our land was stolen and these families still mostly own that land to the point that we have the second most unequal distribution of land in the world only better that Brazil.

Yeah! Someone should send those thieving Normans back where they came from! Keep England for the English, not for foreign invaders like the Normans.

Remember that the royal family is descended from that arch-usurper, William the Conqueror AKA William the Bastard!
I think we should put the direct descendant of King Harold II on the throne so we can have a Saxon king again!


By that thinking, the English should have to return to Germany, the Netherlands, and Denmark. :lol:

If we give England back to the Celts we'll have to rename it. Any suggestions?


Britain, like before.

If you want but Celtland sounds so much cooler.


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27 Nov 2017, 2:52 am

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Kraichgauer wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
TUAndrew wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
I think Africans taking their land back is a just action. Mugabe was corrupt and just gave it to his supporters hence why it failed.

Gaining independence and promoting racist ethnic nationalism are two different things; unfortunately Zimbabwe committed the latter.

Taking back stolen land is not ethnic nationalism, here in the UK 1000 years ago our land was stolen and these families still mostly own that land to the point that we have the second most unequal distribution of land in the world only better that Brazil.

Yeah! Someone should send those thieving Normans back where they came from! Keep England for the English, not for foreign invaders like the Normans.

Remember that the royal family is descended from that arch-usurper, William the Conqueror AKA William the Bastard!
I think we should put the direct descendant of King Harold II on the throne so we can have a Saxon king again!


By that thinking, the English should have to return to Germany, the Netherlands, and Denmark. :lol:

If we give England back to the Celts we'll have to rename it. Any suggestions?


Britain, like before.

If you want but Celtland sounds so much cooler.


Perhaps, but Britain is actually historic.


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27 Nov 2017, 3:52 am

Britain comes from the Roman Britannia and the natives were known as Britons which we still all to this day and those tribes still make up the majority of our DNA.



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27 Nov 2017, 4:55 am

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Britain comes from the Roman Britannia and the natives were known as Britons which we still all to this day and those tribes still make up the majority of our DNA.


Even in south eastern England, where most of the Anglo-Saxons settled?


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