Mild intellectual disability or ASD lvl 1 - what is worse?

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What is more disabling and problematic?
mild intellectual disability (without ASD) 58%  58%  [ 18 ]
ASD level 1 with above-average intelligence 42%  42%  [ 13 ]
Total votes : 31

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15 Jan 2018, 3:54 am

Which condition is more disabling and causes more problems in life in your opinion? Mild intellectual disability (mild disorder of intellectual development) or ASD level 1 without disorder of intellectual development and with mild or no impairment of functional language with above-average intelligence?

In Poland mild ID is not enough to get disability certificate (one has to have at least moderate intellectual disability to have disability certificate because of intellectual disability), which I think is unfair.



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08 Oct 2018, 4:32 pm

4 votes for mild ID as worse than ASD lvl 1 with above-average intelligence and 3 vice versa (when the post was written originally). Now it is 4:4.

Does mild ID qualify for disability benefits in USA? SSI, SSDI? Or ID has to be at least moderate, like in Poland?

I read about a person with ASD who has probably high IQ who received social pension having AS and anxiety or depression.

I have FSIQ 117 but receive social pension, maybe not (only) due to Asperger's, but also due to OCD and schizotypal disorder. I am "terrible" in earning money, although scholastic skills were generally my strength.



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08 Oct 2018, 4:56 pm

Asd is very broad, so this question is also not very simple. There are many people with ASD 1 who I wouldn't say are more so disabled, but mild it very much so can be.

Mild ID with no other problems is generally manageable. The person will be slower than other people, but in terms of "Mental age", which I know is a very flawed idea, mild ID is like a 25 year old with a mental age of 15. Throughout history 15 year olds have been capable of a lot.

So, mild ID can be managed well with time and therapy, but ASD level 1 is more complex in how it affects people.

So I chose asd level 1.


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08 Oct 2018, 4:57 pm

I don't know which is worse to have, but the person with ASD level 1 would likely be more successful at getting an education and living independently.



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08 Oct 2018, 5:46 pm

I didn't have trouble getting an education and do well on the job, but I feel I don't have much chance of ever getting married. Some people with intellectual impairments, including Down syndrome, get married, but someone like me is unlikely to find anyone.



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08 Oct 2018, 5:50 pm

As a general rule, I find having mild intellectual disability more difficult than having Level One autism without intellectual disability.



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08 Oct 2018, 6:09 pm

It depends on how you define Mild ID, but in my experience, most people with mild ID are frustrated because they can see what they are missing. They demand to have an explanation for why they are not successful at many normal things like jobs, parenting and marriage, but can't see why they are different. They are smart enough to know how the world works but even with their best efforts, they don't really fit in.

Aspergers has presented me with many challenges in my life, but my intelligence has helped me to overcome many of them.

I would not trade my intellectual abilities for anything else.


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09 Oct 2018, 2:55 am

I voted for ASD in error.

On a side note, I've noticed lots of parents of children with mild ID get their children diagnosed with AS to make them feel better; I find this incredibly insulting.



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09 Oct 2018, 6:19 am

Prometheus18 wrote:
I voted for ASD in error.

On a side note, I've noticed lots of parents of children with mild ID get their children diagnosed with AS to make them feel better; I find this incredibly insulting.


Where I live, parents try to get their children diagnosed with autism because there are more and better services for children with autism than children with other disabilities.


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15 Oct 2018, 11:15 am

The results of poll are now 8:8.

I think that people with mild intellectual developmental disorder have lower occupational potential than individuals with ASD level 1 who have above-average intelligence. I read about quite many people with AS diagnosis who got Master's degree. Is it possible for someone with IQ not larger than 70 to finish studies?



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15 Oct 2018, 11:21 am

nca14 wrote:
The results of poll are now 8:8.

I think that people with mild intellectual developmental disorder have lower occupational potential than individuals with ASD level 1 who have above-average intelligence. I read about quite many people with AS diagnosis who got Master's degree. Is it possible for someone with IQ not larger than 70 to finish studies?


Yes, it's become rather common for people with mild intellectual delay to go through collage, though they do tend to struggle it is very possible.


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15 Oct 2018, 12:21 pm

Prometheus18 wrote:
I voted for ASD in error.

On a side note, I've noticed lots of parents of children with mild ID get their children diagnosed with AS to make them feel better; I find this incredibly insulting.


As parents' accounts are given credence, and the diagnosis of children is so reliant on what the parents choose to say, this probably happens. I have been concerned for some time about ID, FXS and other conditions being misdiagnosed as AS, and the biasing effect of that on autistic research sample groups.

Possibly some of these parents think they will get more support services if they steer clinicians in the (wrong) AS direction, though sometimes the clinicians are just ignorant of the differences and create the AS misdiagnosis all by themselves. My view is that this is much more frequent misdiagnosis situation than people realise.

Interestingly, it is FXS specialists who have raised and looked at the false AS misdiagnosis issue, while "AS experts" have shown no concern at all AFAIK.



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15 Oct 2018, 4:55 pm

They do have special post-secondary transitional programs for people with mild intellectual disabilities. Some people learn to function quite well in daily life. I keep thinking that I probably needed such a program, even though my intelligence is above average. I would have been much more independent and could have applied my academic education much better.



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15 Oct 2018, 5:44 pm

I think the autistic person is simulanously more gifted and more disabled. They can go much further, but may also be more restricted in other areas.



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15 Oct 2018, 5:48 pm

In my neck of the woods, mild ID is usually given a pass, since it is usually their behavior that gives it away. As for ASD, yer screwed, as you can sometimes pass for NT, and most people consider level 1 ASD by it’s perforating: ASSburgers.



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16 Oct 2018, 6:50 pm

blazingstar wrote:
I would not trade my intellectual abilities for anything else.

I'm thinking the same way. :mrgreen:


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