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12 Mar 2018, 4:06 am

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Also I really don't think he's a theist. Deist in the most abstract sense maybe but nowhere close to believing in a brooding Jovian sky-daddy.


I think there are podcasts where it is indicated that he is a "believer"...
But that could have simply been click-bait...<shrug>
I might have a closer look...


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12 Mar 2018, 4:13 am

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The memes have been the fun part of that debacle.

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I mean...if they're into that sort of thing...


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12 Mar 2018, 6:42 am

Pepe wrote:
I think there are podcasts where it is indicated that he is a "believer"...
But that could have simply been click-bait...<shrug>
I might have a closer look...

He's always been super-evasive on that point and he's said in the past that he didn't want to get confined to what nearly anyone meant by 'believing in God' because his own take on it was too abstracted.

He tried to say something again at his last show in Australia (from a few days ago) after admitting that so many people were asking him about what he actually believed that he felt some obligation to explain what he meant. It stayed super-conceptual and despite talking for at least half the lecture about St. Joseph's Oratory in Montreal he still phased the conversation in terms of individual ideals and the distillation of those ideals that are needed to keep people going.

I'm personally quite compassionate to that way of thinking, partly because I don't think agnosticism necessarily always needs to take the full naive materialism buy-in and also to the degree that so much of his appeal is with the secular community (Sam Harris commented on this in his Ask Me Anything #11) there's a tendency of that community to use theist vs. atheist as a sanity check, and in his case while I think he has high respect for a lot of theistic concepts he both knows what it publicly means to bite the theistic hook and I think that's a problem for him not just from the PR and respectability end but quite literally if he's entertaining anything it seems to be a type of deism or pantheism where matter isn't necessarily dead and where the great religious stories do hold loads of salient information with respect to living life, so the two (ie. the religious story and actual cosmology) likely aren't the same to him as the the religious story is more purely pragmatic and the actual cosmology needs all of the most careful discernment and exploration that science and philosophy can afford without jumping the gun and buying into a revealed narrative.

He also gave a significant nod to certain forms of Platonism in his debate with William Lane Craig and he's reiterated often in his lectures that his concern with the term 'materialism' is that by the time we get to the bottom of what matter actually is we'll have a significantly different sense of what the word 'material' actually means to us.


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12 Mar 2018, 5:50 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:

He also gave a significant nod to certain forms of Platonism

Could you expand on this?


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12 Mar 2018, 6:39 pm

Pepe wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:

He also gave a significant nod to certain forms of Platonism

Could you expand on this?

I'd rather let him.


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19 Mar 2018, 12:23 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Dg-g7t2l4

I finished Jordan Peterson's, "12 Rules for Life", in Barnes and
Nobles Yesterday; listening to Music and Doing a Tai-Chi-like
"Stimming" Dance that does just that in lighting up the connections
in my Mind/Body for Extreme Focus and Emotions and Senses to retain the
Most Information while reading at the fastest speeds in-synch through a practice
of exposing myself to extreme stimulus in a variety of ways getting used to it so the
rest of life is warm and fuzzy as I am totally comfortable in my own skin; even dancing very
Gracefully like this Solo in a Crowd of Intoxicated Young Folks in a Dance Hall or in this case,
Barnes and Nobles; where if anyone asks, I'll tell them all about the Science Evidenced Benefits
of Moving Meditation and Music too with of course also engaging the metaphor of "Left Brain"
While Reading Science Associated Literature and the more Interpretive "Poetry PArt" of the "Right Brain" Metaphor
of Reading or Writing or Doing a Dance of Poetry that Non-Verbally expresses an Emotional and Sensory Interpretive
Dance and Song of Life, now. Anyway, I enjoyed all 12 Rules; except, he went a little too over-zealous in my opinion
in suggesting that young folks should have free rein on the rites of 'manhood' by becoming dangerous by actually
doing potentially permanent disabling activities like skate boarding through the air without a helmet; while it's true
there are much safer ways to achieve the same thing without a single bruise in just the example of what I've achieved
in getting comfortable in my own skin and appearing dangerous to other folks by just the way I move without Fear
And Presenting myself this way where the benefits are increased Strength and Size of Strength along with Agility and
Stamina too where no longer am I viewed as the stereotypical Nerd or Beta Male who are similar in the Non-Verbal
Language they present to more 'dominate' males in terms of who would win a fight if it came to that. True, I've
worked with the Military long Enough to understand what it means to be a Winning Lobster or one that
loses in terms of the First Rule of Peterson that says stand up straight and hold your shoulders back;
while true that helps a little, it's nothing like what 9000 Miles of Martial Arts and Ballet-like Dance
in close to 55 Months Brings to the table of "Chuck Norris/Arnold" Confidence in words
like, "I'll be back"; heHe. Life is so much better when one actually does the work
to get the Mind in as the Body all Balanced out as one's Voice tends to drop
so much lower that way escaping between the ears where I suspect
that even Ben Shapiro might develop more of "man's voice" and
speak a little slower along with Jordan too; if they actually
had the time and effort to do this, solo at least; where
they obviously are much too busy to even entertain what it means
to be full of will and strength in divine masculine in terms of more than
"left brain" restricted terms of words alone where one raises their voice that
means absolutely nothing to a man or a woman who is truly comfortable in their own
skin; understanding, how to actually use their body as mind rather than just an almost
dead appendage as an inherent tool no longer used where video games that are violent
become as close to Masculine as some Folks get along with their collections of Guns as tools
away from Arms that swing a mighty ax with no ax at all in hand. Keeping in mind here that i too
was once viewed as A Weak Fish in the Aquarium as Jordan does admit in his Book, the value of the
99 LB Weakling Transforming himself and or herself per message of 'Charles Atlas' still now into a Force of Nature
that is dangerous to contend with and commands respect with no words at all; or who is at least confident enough
in the bio-feedback that their body provides to experience life with zero anxiety on a now to now basis; even if 'they'
are in a large crowd of testosterone fueled young males, competing for women and bouncing off of 'you' when they
say, "oh excuse me man, my bad"; instead of knocking 'you' across the Dance Floor. Nah, I wouldn't go back to 'Beta
Male' that is just a metaphor for not using what we are born with; both females and or males, to stand up for ourselves
with non-verbal language that says don't do you dare. Jordan Peterson, through all his words still does not present
that in his overall non-verbal language with of course all the depression he has admitted to makes total sense
in the Feel of a man with not too much serotonin as that story goes innate for those who have made it out
of the Ivory Towers of school and work 'tween ears as stuck in Verbal Speak out more into a flesh and
blood life that swings and sways and dances a game of life along with the Speak when it is not
a song too; where true, Written Words (Logos) Have become A Neon God as tools to start with
and now many Humans are reduced to 4 to 5 Inch screens as button pushers so far
Away from A Mind and Body Balancing Force of a Soul that is Human Fearlessly
Giving and Sharing Love as any Native American Tribe will do in a Dance lit
up more by a Fire of Soul together than any Neon God that is Silent without a Body
that Glows more than words alone of written speak that has even replaced a Song of Voice now.
It's true, a Dangerous Skate-Boarding Expedition can bring this through; but there are much better ways
to do this than risking Permanent Brain Injury and Wheel Chair Life too. I was pleased that Jordan didn't go on
all about how Young Folks are not smart enough in experience to engage in Political Protests and how they really
don't make a difference; as the Young Folks in Florida have already proven that Ivory Tower opinion wrong by doing
the almost impossible task of getting Governor Scott to go against the NRA; And the Legislators too. And as far as
smart goes; it doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to understand that close to 70 Percent of the Populace here in the
US is against the sale of Assault Rifles as they stand and continue to bring the fall of innocent masses too;
for true, more than likely a human with common sense, if they are a cop, will go against a gun with a gun
rather than a gun against an Assault Rifle, if they value their life more than their duty as insanity
suggests. Anyway that's another debate, for or against common sense. Other than that; although
i've disagreed with the absolutes that Jordan attempts to bring to Human Behavior under Social Science
Studies that only study the norm and not the exceptions /that who move out of Culture as it stands as Culture
Flavors all of Human Behavior and always has for those who are part of the Group think and Do of that; Jordan
often corrects his mistakes in other talks by giving credence to outliers, then; so yeah, he's not so arrogant like
a Shapiro or a Trump who would likely never admit a mistake as they come and go too as all we humans do who
are Human enough to admit we are human still now. Jordan is a man with a real Heart and Spirit and Soul who is
trying his dam best to do the very best in life he can and will to fulfill all his human potential where he sees the fact
that he is mostly a 'left brain' thinker and there are other ways of thinking like the Way Carl Jung did intuitively
that is far more advanced that what he does with 'books'. I too, was always in awe of these people too for I was
not too Proud to admit all of what I lacked then in potential fulfilled and all I too, do still now; thing, is for those
who understand that in the Big Picture of reality, they still know nothing as Socrates did and Peterson
acknowledges in his Book; those are the folks who continue to evolve their soul in both mind
and body ways across the lifespan; and those are the People who do not fall to
the sound of silence
worshipping
a Neon
God of
Just Written
Words or as Jordan
often says the Logos without a soul;
actually; he doesn't say that but he's getting close.
I've read Several Hundred Books Free in Barnes and Nobles
while I Free Dance a Martial Arts and Ballet there listening
to Meditative Music; where Jordan's Book took me three dance
events to complete; after that I finished another Book in around 10 minutes
as it was presented in the usual 8th Grade Reading Level; that in itself motivated
me to buy it to add to the Mountain of Books of what an Old Book Worm who is now
Standing Lobster Tall adds to his collection of truly record worthy reads to donate to the
cause of Human Potential by respecting the write enough to even buy the book. But nah, I don't
suck up to any Philosophy in fear of disagreeing to learn even more and continue to evolve and by the
same token that diminishes nothing about any Author as we are all as Authors of Soul even if all that is,
is a few Twitter Sized Tweets and linking other Folks Directed and Produced and Acted Plays of Life where perhaps
one day the Silence/Whispering of 'tHeir'
Soul will Learn
to Dance
and Sing more
than a Neon God reduced
to 280 Characters or just links as
a like to be shared and Followed as
the New God of 4 to 5 inch Screams of Silent
to the potential of even living as Love incarnate and
to put an exclamation point on that; it's better advice
to become Love Incarnate as Jordan Intimated in the Book
for Living examples of Love coming to Fruition no different than
a Mary or
a Jesus
myth now
who comes to life
back again incarnate
as Love. Jordan gets a whole
lot of life the way i feel and sense
it too; it appears to me, he is very close
to opening up more fully the other more Jung-like
Continent of his Existence; and when he does, 40 more
Books may come in a year as this one took him 30 years
to express all he is to this point at least; "Bravo Jordan; keep
Going; but please find more of a Dance along with A Song" of 'Logos' to get
more finely tuned now for LiGHT Moving so much further than 'tween the ears, alone;
true, there is an entire other World of Existence to Fall in Love with as Continent of Mind
and Body WHoLE that so many folks are losing 'these days' through the simple principle in
life of never using it and never gaining it or losing it from 'childhood innate', before
one may be reborn
with the Imagination
and Co-Creativity with
the Rest of Nature as God
in tune with more of all that is;
anyway as long as the Young Folks aren't
motivated to forgo Helmets and 'bust' their
Head open 'air-skating'; the book is worth
a read and even a buy to read again later or refer
to as even a reference book for those who wish to add on even more.
Life and God
is Open Source
Nature for those who
escape the Side-Walks
of Prison that a Linear Dance
and Song of Life without Fuller
Wisdom and Beauty Brings where
now every step and word becomes a
Poetry and Dance of life in no particular Holy and Sacred Wisdom
Full of Meaning and Purpose order but Beauty of Chaos whole in
Art and Science too; I was happy to see Jordan Quoting Poetry to make his
Science Abstract Points; when he starts writing the Poetry of Jung and Others
then I will applaud louder
for his linear
mind and yes
body; finally
becoming
more A
Spiral
oF A UniVerSE
WHoLe wHere NoW
God is no longer JusT
A Neon Tool of Word as 'Logos Alone' iN A very restricted 'straight line' Logos;
Or Jesus F iN Christ; just a 3 Letter Word now that some folks say they have
to wait until after Death to be now with allone; So Silent, Away NoW From
A Dance of God That's ReaL as Sunshine Feeds allone LoViNG WiLL's DeSire
this God IS A Constant Companion NoW that's Real Like a 'Mandy' iN A Barry MaNiLoW SonG WiTHiN..:)


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22 Mar 2018, 9:39 am

I can't get over Jordan's Hoser accent.. oh my goodness, I keep reminding myself this is a professor and he has some intelligent points. But I just can't..



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22 Mar 2018, 9:48 am

bethannny wrote:
I can't get over Jordan's Hoser accent.. oh my goodness, I keep reminding myself this is a professor and he has some intelligent points. But I just can't..

You mean the flashbacks from Strange Brew and Canadian Bacon are crowding him out? :lol:


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26 Mar 2018, 9:19 pm

Interesting to see Peterson being meme-ified.

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28 Mar 2018, 8:41 pm

From Camille Paglia (worth enlarging if it's too small to read):

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06 Apr 2018, 12:24 am

Interesting clip from a Canadian grad student who says she considered herself a leftist, until she tried to show a video debate with Jordan Peterson and got reprimanded for it. She now no longer considers herself a leftist.


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06 Apr 2018, 1:27 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEUlqjM96_Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPIanlF6IwM

The Death And Resurrection of Christ as delivered
in a 5 Step Speech and Documentary of Sorts by Jordan
Peterson surely relates how he feels about Jesus Christ
as the Logos
of His
Savior
that is
no Super
Natural Man
alone but the Essence allone
of what he names as 'the Perfect'
Expression of Being Human but hmm;
too many flaws obvious in the New Testament
for me to go that route as Delivered unless the
'Jeffersonian' Grains of Wheat are separated from
the Chaff of Deceit and Lies and Overall Scribe
Copy Mistakes and Intentional Creative Holy
Real Spirit Changes to improve on what was
a very open Source New Testament before it
became more or less a 1611 Brick with a 'zillion' or
so different interpretations possible still as all Language
is Metaphor at Essence as Leading Researchers in Specialist
Ways indicate at present too. Anyway, i for one go with the Universal
Star Wars Force of Pure Positive Energy that Drives us up instead of Down
as Humans Currently Name Love more or else experienced as LiGHT and or DaRK
NoW Depending on the Mileage and the overall LiFE Experience of every Human Being now.
How Fortunate I was to be raised on Just a Human Being of Love as I Piano Played the entire
Folio of Piano Music from the Jesus Christ Human Story as Broadway Play at age 13, so a Human
was instilled in me as Love instead of a SuperNatural Being as Hyperbole as Myth Housing Truth
and Light as Vehicles and Vessels of Story and Myth do Carry that Truth and Light further than just
the raw Truth
that only
those with
Very Deep
Eyes can and will
understand from both
Small and Big Picture Views
of Life that only come now still
with an Existential Intelligence Reborn
as Such from the hard and soft Knocks of Life Experience now.
Anyway; i give Jordan Credit, for at least he said and wrote the Word
Love as it's more than obvious that fearless spirit is rather raw as weak
as it is an all
Natural Force
that Chronic Stress
Will Evaporate for those
who do not actually do the
Recreative Practice to Refresh the Love Muscle now.
It's impossible to Hide Heaven when this Love Truly Lives
within; for sure there are empty shells too without the Feel and Fill of Love
other wise
kNoWn
felt and
sensed as
Logos without Love
And How iRoNiC THaT iS..:)


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06 Apr 2018, 2:28 pm

@ Darmok

I wonder how her video blew up like that. It's her only video. I watched it days earlier and it had about 350K views I think then.



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Drake wrote:
@ Darmok

I wonder how her video blew up like that. It's her only video. I watched it days earlier and it had about 350K views I think then.

I think it's a sign of unmet demand in the marketplace of ideas.


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