Since when do right wingers care so much about birds?

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26 Jan 2018, 4:10 am

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Well the coal industry kills entire mountains so a few bird sacrifices would seen to pale in comparison. Wind power has the same problem anyway & hydro power kills fisheries, birds also kill jet engines so nature's not all that toothless. Can someone please explain why conservatism & conservation were at odds in the first place?

conservatism, American style, is all about profit, externalizing costs, and everything else be damned to hell. American business has a short-term mentality. conservation interferes with short-term profits. next quarter is what they see, long term don't enter their thinking often at all. never mind that in the long term, if the environment is destroyed, by extension the people who live in that environment are also destroyed. as long as it is none of their kind they don't care.



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26 Jan 2018, 4:17 am

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I am sure there are many male bird lovers, though not as many as women it seems to me, and the only ones are know are professional photographers who specialise in bird photography and write books about native birds.

my late father was an outdoorsman, a hunter, but also a sort of "animal whisperer" in that animals trusted him for some reason. birds would land on him. more often than not they'd eat out of his hand. a mystery to me.



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26 Jan 2018, 4:52 am

well i like birds.
this is in australia by me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEoMEq8pLzc



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26 Jan 2018, 5:03 am

Great watch, and it included my favourite Australian bird! (The Kookaburra). I discovered while staying in Toowoomba last year that they seem to like bacon!



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26 Jan 2018, 5:03 am

and here are all the kookies in the family at 5:30pm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlTo7y2S-gQ



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26 Jan 2018, 5:10 am

Wonderful!!

The first one I ever saw on my visits to Oz was at Currimbin Sanctuary - this was years ago - a large kookie was sitting up on a branch in a gum tree and swooped down in front of me, scooped up a lizard and returned to the tree for lunch. It was such a great moment, can still see it in my mind as if it was happening now.



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26 Jan 2018, 5:15 am

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and here are all the kookies in the family at 5:30pm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlTo7y2S-gQ


Holey Moley!
So that's where they all went!
You cornered the market on laughing jackass's... :mrgreen:


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26 Jan 2018, 5:28 am

b9, my second favourite Ozzie bird is the magnificent sea eagle. Saw them hunting this year at the Lone Pine Sanctuary up the river in Brisbane, they have a few different kinds of raptors there and show them all doing their hunt thing.

Generally though, Oz birds are very colourful, whereas our NZ forest birds have plumage that blends in with their environment. You know they are there by the beautiful bird song. There was a native eagle here too once, the Haast Eagle, but sadly it is extinct. So I will have to keep visiting Australia :)))



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26 Jan 2018, 10:42 am

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Oh the solar panels they kill birds, is an argument I have heard, not seen any scientific data to confirm solar panels are the main problem for birds but some right wingers believe this. I wonder if its simular to people who shoot cats they see because....der cats kill der birds, do these people even care about birds in any other context? or its just a nice excuse to shoot peoples pets? I just don't get it if I was a cold hearted person who likes to shoot animals just because....I wouldn't genuinely care about little tweet tweet birds probably. So what is the real story. What are any of those asshats doing to save the birds huh?

I've seen the argument you're talking about with wind turbines (never seen it with solar panels, and I'm pretty sure solar panels don't outright kill birds, the most one could probably claim is that solar panels take up space and could possibly dislocate birds from their natural environment). Anyhow, it's a wolf in sheep's clothing argument: most don't give a crap about birds or their environment but the person making the argument knows that birds/environment and solar power are both propelled by people left of center so they make the argument to create dissension in that group.



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26 Jan 2018, 5:18 pm

Since nobody else will:



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26 Jan 2018, 5:34 pm

^^^WOW those birds done bypassed cooking all the way to incineration/cremation! :o



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26 Jan 2018, 5:41 pm

^Yeah, that plant is using heliostat mirrors (think magnifying glass on grass), home use PV (photovoltiac) cells don't do anything like that. Lose the mirrors and it's not an issue. If that's what we're talking about then it's not an indictment against all solar but that specific type of solar. Furthermore, one could erect an aviary cage around the entire solar plant to keep birds out at a moderate cost. Point being solar panels aren't inherently dangerous to wildlife, the poor industrial practices of humans are.



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26 Jan 2018, 5:44 pm

They are developing "bird friendly" wind turbines.
https://www.voanews.com/a/bird-friendly ... 57122.html


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26 Jan 2018, 5:53 pm

I don't think the current minority-elected president's administration is scuttling solar power out of any concern for the impact of solar power on wildlife. The oil and gas industries siphon tremendous amounts of money into so-called "conservative" politicians' campaigns because they want to buy votes that will continue to provide them with billions in tax breaks so they can amass even more wealth. Oligarchs are like that.

Solar competes with oil and gas, and must therefore be put down. Any excuse a gullible public will accept is a good enough excuse for these twats.


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26 Jan 2018, 5:55 pm

b9 wrote:

Pepe wrote:
Regarding your other point suggesting life is a gift, correct me if I am wrong but I believed Charles Darwin was appalled at the cruelty involved in the life system...


no it's just hard luck. there is no such thing as cruelty really in the natural world.



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[letter to his friend Joseph Hooker (1856)]

https://www.reproductive-revolution.com ... arwin.html

Just say'n... :mrgreen:


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26 Jan 2018, 6:24 pm

if I was a prey animal getting attacked by a predator, having his bones crunched and muscles/sinews torn every which way and nerves screaming in agony, I would consider that cruel.