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16 Feb 2018, 6:58 pm

Dr. Jordan Peterson on his religious beliefs

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17 Feb 2018, 12:54 am

Apparently, Jordan Peterson believes in the necessity of a religion like moral code to maintain social harmony...

I have come across this concept previously when I read an article about the book: "The corruption of reality" by John F. Schumaker...
He claimed there were benefits derived from embracing a false reality so as to maintain social harmony...
At this point, he and I parted ways to a large degree...

The difference with Jordan Peterson is that he isn't saying that people should be lost in a religious construct...
Rather that people should (only) *act* as though they embrace religious principles...

As I said previously in another thread, I find this in conflict with my own focus of discovery...
I consider him having intellectual ballast weighing him down and thus denying him a greater philosophical perspective...
But this is inevitable due to his self defined parameters...

From memory, he claims that an ethics base social morality code proposed by some atheists would not work...
Personally, I need more convincing of this...

Having said all that, he is a fascinating individual to be studied further...
For me in any case... :wink:


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17 Feb 2018, 1:05 am

This is one area where I'm not completely on board with jordan, as I'm not religious, and I never will be.

I don't really care either way though, as long as people are decent, their religious beliefs are not important for me.



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17 Feb 2018, 2:19 am

Pepe wrote:
From memory, he claims that an ethics base social morality code proposed by some atheists would not work...
Personally, I need more convincing of this...


I wouldn't say it wouldn't work, it would just be inferior, not followed as seriously and much more malleable compared to a moral code chained to a God-like or transcendent construct. The true test of one's morals is what you do when you think no one is looking and atheists desire above all else to believe no one is looking. Morality in their hands inevitably bends publicly towards the arc of hedonism and a crude golden rule-esque "your right to seek pleasure ends when it interferes with mine" and in private... when the cat's away, the mice come out to play.


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17 Feb 2018, 3:13 am

^^ this is a biased and false branding of atheists.
Just as there are Christians who do not consider God to be constantly watching their actions, yet still stick to their moral code, there are atheists who do the same. Most of us aim to treat others with care and consideration, not to score points with a higher power, but because we believe it the right thing to do.



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17 Feb 2018, 6:32 am

I think he actually made some suggestions as to what he believes in his panel with William Lane Craig and Rebecca Goldstein at Wycliffe, and it was commensurate with some of what he suggested in his Maps of Meaning 2015 course videos. He seems to suggest that he's somewhere between holding Platonist and general panpsychist views of consciousness and information but i can't tell (and I don't think he claims to know) whether that's an appearance of Platonism from supervening layers of emergence such as hierarchies within hierarchies viewed after the fact of their establishment or whether it's a more eternal and 'always was' Platonic sphere that emanated the forms we have around us outward or downward.

What he did reiterate often, which remember from that lecture series, was the idea that there is communication up and down hierarchies not just in terms of public members of groups but also in bodies and he mentioned things serving functions in the body, consisting of less than a few dozen atoms, which showed behavior too complex to fit any sort of general programming - seeming to suggest that there might be more uncanny ways in which information travels than what we currently are willing to think in the public sphere. He did say also on several occasions that by the time we get to the bottom of our investigation of materiality that he's pretty sure what we mean by 'materialism' will be radically different, I'm pretty sure what he meant by that is it'll likely take significant contextual or philosophic turns before it's done.


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17 Feb 2018, 6:38 am

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I wouldn't say it wouldn't work, it would just be inferior, not followed as seriously and much more malleable compared to a moral code chained to a God-like or transcendent construct. The true test of one's morals is what you do when you think no one is looking and atheists desire above all else to believe no one is looking. Morality in their hands inevitably bends publicly towards the arc of hedonism and a crude golden rule-esque "your right to seek pleasure ends when it interferes with mine" and in private... when the cat's away, the mice come out to play.


Didst I not sayeth that I wouldst smite thee on the field of battle with glee and self-righteousness for thy heresy and misrepresentation of the true atheists?

Seriously, that is a very expensive atheist stereotype you bought yourself there, mate...

I have never joined the atheist's union...
Never went to a rally...
Never went to an atheist Tupperware party...
Nor did I learn an atheist's secret handshake...

Where do you get this simplistic nonsense?...<chuckle>

Quote:
‘Atheism’ is a much simpler concept than ‘Christianity’ or ‘Hinduism’, but the word atheism is still used in a wide variety of ways.

This can cause confusion. Someone may announce that she is an
atheist, and her listeners may assume she is one type of atheist, when
really she is a different type of atheist.

So to clear things up, here are 17 kinds of atheism, organized into 7
sets. Some kinds of atheism can be combined in a person, and some
cannot. For example, it is perfectly consistent to be an agnostic,
narrow, friendly atheist. But one cannot simultaneously be both a
passive atheist and a militant atheist.

This list is not definitive. There are many ways to organize and label different kinds of atheism.

For brevity’s sake, I have substituted “gods” for the usual phrase “God or gods.”


1. Difference in Knowledge

A gnostic atheist not only believes there are no gods, he also claims to know there are no gods.

An agnostic atheist doesn’t believe in gods, but doesn’t claim to know there are no gods.

2. Difference in Affirmation

A negative atheist merely lacks a belief in gods. He is also called a weak atheist or an implicit atheist.

A positive atheist not only lacks a belief in gods, but also affirms that no gods exist. He is also called a strong atheist or an explicit atheist.

3. Difference in Scope

A broad atheist denies the existence of all gods: Zeus, Thor, Yahweh, Shiva, and so on.

A narrow atheist denies the existence of the traditional Western omni-God who is all-good, all-knowing, and all-powerful.

4. Difference in the Assessed Rationality of Theism

An unfriendly atheist believes no one is justified in believing that gods exist.

An indifferent atheist doesn’t have a belief on whether or not others are justified in believing that gods exist.

A friendly atheist believes that some theists are justified in believing that gods exist.

5. Difference in Openness

A closet atheist has not yet revealed his disbelief to most people.

An open atheist has revealed his disbelief to most people.

6. Difference in Action

A passive atheist doesn’t believe in god but doesn’t try to influence the world in favor of atheism.

An evangelical atheist tries to persuade others to give up theistic belief.

An active atheist labors on behalf of causes that specifically benefit atheists (but not necessarily just
atheists). For example, he strives against discrimination toward
atheists, or he strives in favor of separation of church and state.

A militant atheist uses violence to promote atheism
or destroy religion. (Often, the term “militant atheist” is misapplied
to non-violent evangelical atheists like Richard Dawkins. But to
preserve the parallel with the “militant Christian” who bombs abortion
clinics or the “militant Muslim” suicide bomber, I prefer the definition
of “militant atheist” that assumes acts of violence.)

7. Difference in Religiosity

A religious atheist practices religion but does not believe in gods.

A non-religious atheist does not practice religion.

Of course, there are many more “kinds” of atheism than this, for one
may be a Republican atheist or a Democratic atheist, a short atheist or a
tall atheist, a Caucasian atheist or an Hispanic atheist, a
foundationalist atheist or a coherentist atheist, an enchanted atheist or a disenchanted atheist.

http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=6487


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17 Feb 2018, 1:45 pm

Pepe wrote:
Where do you get this simplistic nonsense?...<chuckle>


Your list counters nothing Pepe, they are just different flavours of atheist ice cream. They are all the same in one important way - they all discard a transcendent God as moral arbiter and replace it with themselves or worse some other temporal authority to which they submit. I imagine many have done just that using Jordan Peterson, which is why a cult is rapidly forming around him.


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17 Feb 2018, 2:10 pm

Jordan Peterson has become a hero for young men
who no longer have clear social roles and an understanding
of what masculinity means at core beyond what comes these days
so much more from top to bottom as Malignant Patriarchy without a
Foundation of Grace/Love as Balance in Mastery of Physical And Emotional
and Existential Intelligences overall that come moreover innately instinctually
and intuitively than what may lie or tale the truth in pAges of bookS old to new.
A Core Definition of all religion is common binds of Dance and Song and
Abstract Symbols ranging from Golden Calves to Words that provide a
common group think and act glue for core survival and even potential
thrive of the Social Group at Hand that works best as history and
modern days continues to show in mostly homogeneous
groups that work as a tribe of understanding similarities
on the same page of Choir that comes to be. Story
telling, whether that be in a non-verbal language of dance
or oral tradition that eventually comes to written pages is a way
humans have come together in binds from years gone past as now common
button pressing of Facebook Likes replaces both A human touch and even simple
written statuses of where someone goes or photos of what they ate; but true, Cat photos
do generate a social bonding neurohormone of oxytocin for those who indulge and are able
to receive that free. Most Everyone does some kind of religion whether that be a religion of one
and reading common words of interests in books to sharing the Tribal instinct of us versus them
in ways of watching sports now too. And yes, Politics and Religion are almost impossible to separate
as both bring rules and common binds of similarities and differences of conservative versus liberal now
as the innate 'Tribal' religions of Humans simple and complex still generated as is today. We are different;
now we are similar; some of us love; some of us do not have the capacity or ability; in fact, some of us do
not even have the ability to feel the reality of the Neurohormone Oxytocin moreover that continues
to bring most folks the glue of social bonding now for at essence that is what Religion brings
many folks who bind together in all the forms religion comes as the warm and fuzzy's
when folks hold hands and sing a Lord's Prayer or the National Anthem at a
Football Game, still. True, we human beings make abstract constructs to
describe all of this and often join this team or that team with
the illusions that the Forms we make separate us as such
from the Essence that surely is related to similar Neurochemicals
and Neurohormones now. 'God' is 'A' form too, a three letter word that varies
from all that is to just an empty word of something that comes to be separated
from all we do and all we are; all we feel all we sense; and all we dance and sing
or just sit still without much nuanced emotion and senses potentially feeling more
than with static
words
and
facts
someone
else wrote in
a science book and or dusty
bible from before. My religion is change
and my God is all My Breath is Life and Jordan
Peterson is correct when he suggests that humans share
a need to bond over common meaning and purpose where the
truly smART of Us limit what is holy and sacred full of meaning
and purpose to nothing at all for truly when the story of life becomes all
holy and sacred full of meaning and purpose that we can and will co-create
with dreams of our imagination come to fruition in an art of dance and song alive;
The forms and restrictions disappear
before now in written books ranging
from Science 101 to Genesis Chapter
and Verse of whatever come to now as all that is real;
As most Scientists do; Jordan Peterson and other Preachers
as such as that too; they stick with what has come before and
really never step out of a box of old to truly do something original and new.
I suppose that's why he still suffers from Depression; true, just another ground hog
day of same for
he and
many
others too;
forgetting that A
True Religion for Happiness
is doing something new without fear.
If i could help him raise his mood; i would suggest
something like what Yoda made it look like he did in the
last Star Wars movie. Burn all the
Books of Wisdom 'fore
and yes by 'God'
Breathe again
renewed anew A
Creation of Life that
comes to be more New instead oF old;
in other words, 'Doctor'; bring me a different pill than old.
But of course i am no conservative as his team of old does not appeal to me;
what comforts some in tradition of conservative bores a living hell into others
who seek change of liberal.
So, true, Jordan
has a ready
made male
audience
that is not going away;
Concrete and stable it remains and
that is Okay as GreaTest Sailing Ships need anchors still now real.
It's true, i love to systemize too; but Jordan's interpretation of the Poetry of the
Bible is just another voice in the wilderness crying out with one view; not unlike mine
or yours if religion may be a special interest too; A beauty of humanly made abstract
constructs that are words is all are metaphor at Heart
as essence
sees colors
more when freer
than just one interpretation
of this and that; for some 'reaSons'
Jordan seems to 'think' he can bring
a science to this; true he can cry he will try; and even do;
but if he 'thinks' he can bend any art to his rules
through different eyes;
Perhaps
he should
paint a master peace of
his own that brings him happiness more;
seems like common feel/sense to me but i admit
i know nothing for what i
dance
and
sing next;
Free as Be Now.
With all that said, Jordan Peterson
is one of the Public Views that i am Currently
enjoying hearing most for at least he
is not too closed minded not to
stimulate
the
art of me
continuing as Freed. He
also speaks civilly too; a plus
for me; It's true; An only difference
now literally as such between Autisic
And Artistic is r u or u r depending on how one 'sees'..
As true there too are two major kinds; those who see so much
they have difficulty reciprocally communicating with others falling
back on hobbies of special interests to enjoy and those who see less
than others and fall back on hobbies of special interest to enjoy as far
as emotions verses systemizing goes and it's true i love this all for those
who see more
in Systemizing
Science than
Art of Humanities
in R Versus U and U Verses R..
Do bring broad band avenues for the
folks with the R to do much more than
U.. hehe..
true i never
realized
i was gonna
say that until it sung and danced back to me;
sure; thanks 'God' for Bill 'Gates' and the Such as you
Bring 'Jobs' Freer out too; True, too; Jordan is in another
entirely different category of both too; i like that; i for one see it as cool;
if i ever agree
with someone
totally, it's 'time'
to: go 'back from: school'..;)


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18 Feb 2018, 5:37 am

Mikah wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Where do you get this simplistic nonsense?...<chuckle>


Your list counters nothing Pepe, they are just different flavours of atheist ice cream. They are all the same in one important way - they all discard a transcendent God as moral arbiter and replace it with themselves or worse some other temporal authority to which they submit. I imagine many have done just that using Jordan Peterson, which is why a cult is rapidly forming around him.


I give up...<chuckle>
Let us simply agree to disagree...
Cheers...

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Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
And know when to run
You never count your money
When you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the dealin's done


Kenny Rogers - The Gambler:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDwCMxPwJ_4


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18 Feb 2018, 5:44 am

aghogday wrote:
Jordan Peterson has become a hero for young men
who no longer have clear social roles and an understanding
of what masculinity means at core beyond what comes these days
so much more from top to bottom as Malignant Patriarchy without a
Foundation of Grace/Love as Balance in Mastery of Physical And Emotional
and Existential Intelligences overall that come moreover innately instinctually
and intuitively than what may lie or tale the truth in pAges of bookS old to new.
A Core Definition of all religion is common binds of Dance and Song and
Abstract Symbols ranging from Golden Calves to Words that provide a
common group think and act glue for core survival and even potential
thrive of the Social Group at Hand that works best as history and
modern days continues to show in mostly homogeneous
groups that work as a tribe of understanding similarities
on the same page of Choir that comes to be. Story
telling, whether that be in a non-verbal language of dance
or oral tradition that eventually comes to written pages is a way
humans have come together in binds from years gone past as now common
button pressing of Facebook Likes replaces both A human touch and even simple
written statuses of where someone goes or photos of what they ate; but true, Cat photos
do generate a social bonding neurohormone of oxytocin for those who indulge and are able
to receive that free. Most Everyone does some kind of religion whether that be a religion of one
and reading common words of interests in books to sharing the Tribal instinct of us versus them
in ways of watching sports now too. And yes, Politics and Religion are almost impossible to separate
as both bring rules and common binds of similarities and differences of conservative versus liberal now
as the innate 'Tribal' religions of Humans simple and complex still generated as is today. We are different;
now we are similar; some of us love; some of us do not have the capacity or ability; in fact, some of us do
not even have the ability to feel the reality of the Neurohormone Oxytocin moreover that continues
to bring most folks the glue of social bonding now for at essence that is what Religion brings
many folks who bind together in all the forms religion comes as the warm and fuzzy's
when folks hold hands and sing a Lord's Prayer or the National Anthem at a
Football Game, still. True, we human beings make abstract constructs to
describe all of this and often join this team or that team with
the illusions that the Forms we make separate us as such
from the Essence that surely is related to similar Neurochemicals
and Neurohormones now. 'God' is 'A' form too, a three letter word that varies
from all that is to just an empty word of something that comes to be separated
from all we do and all we are; all we feel all we sense; and all we dance and sing
or just sit still without much nuanced emotion and senses potentially feeling more
than with static
words
and
facts
someone
else wrote in
a science book and or dusty
bible from before. My religion is change
and my God is all My Breath is Life and Jordan
Peterson is correct when he suggests that humans share
a need to bond over common meaning and purpose where the
truly smART of Us limit what is holy and sacred full of meaning
and purpose to nothing at all for truly when the story of life becomes all
holy and sacred full of meaning and purpose that we can and will co-create
with dreams of our imagination come to fruition in an art of dance and song alive;
The forms and restrictions disappear
before now in written books ranging
from Science 101 to Genesis Chapter
and Verse of whatever come to now as all that is real;
As most Scientists do; Jordan Peterson and other Preachers
as such as that too; they stick with what has come before and
really never step out of a box of old to truly do something original and new.
I suppose that's why he still suffers from Depression; true, just another ground hog
day of same for
he and
many
others too;
forgetting that A
True Religion for Happiness
is doing something new without fear.
If i could help him raise his mood; i would suggest
something like what Yoda made it look like he did in the
last Star Wars movie. Burn all the
Books of Wisdom 'fore
and yes by 'God'
Breathe again
renewed anew A
Creation of Life that
comes to be more New instead oF old;
in other words, 'Doctor'; bring me a different pill than old.
But of course i am no conservative as his team of old does not appeal to me;
what comforts some in tradition of conservative bores a living hell into others
who seek change of liberal.
So, true, Jordan
has a ready
made male
audience
that is not going away;
Concrete and stable it remains and
that is Okay as GreaTest Sailing Ships need anchors still now real.
It's true, i love to systemize too; but Jordan's interpretation of the Poetry of the
Bible is just another voice in the wilderness crying out with one view; not unlike mine
or yours if religion may be a special interest too; A beauty of humanly made abstract
constructs that are words is all are metaphor at Heart
as essence
sees colors
more when freer
than just one interpretation
of this and that; for some 'reaSons'
Jordan seems to 'think' he can bring
a science to this; true he can cry he will try; and even do;
but if he 'thinks' he can bend any art to his rules
through different eyes;
Perhaps
he should
paint a master peace of
his own that brings him happiness more;
seems like common feel/sense to me but i admit
i know nothing for what i
dance
and
sing next;
Free as Be Now.
With all that said, Jordan Peterson
is one of the Public Views that i am Currently
enjoying hearing most for at least he
is not too closed minded not to
stimulate
the
art of me
continuing as Freed. He
also speaks civilly too; a plus
for me; It's true; An only difference
now literally as such between Autisic
And Artistic is r u or u r depending on how one 'sees'..
As true there too are two major kinds; those who see so much
they have difficulty reciprocally communicating with others falling
back on hobbies of special interests to enjoy and those who see less
than others and fall back on hobbies of special interest to enjoy as far
as emotions verses systemizing goes and it's true i love this all for those
who see more
in Systemizing
Science than
Art of Humanities
in R Versus U and U Verses R..
Do bring broad band avenues for the
folks with the R to do much more than
U.. hehe..
true i never
realized
i was gonna
say that until it sung and danced back to me;
sure; thanks 'God' for Bill 'Gates' and the Such as you
Bring 'Jobs' Freer out too; True, too; Jordan is in another
entirely different category of both too; i like that; i for one see it as cool;
if i ever agree
with someone
totally, it's 'time'
to: go 'back from: school'..;)

We are all individuals...<shrug>


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You have been weighed...you have been measured...and you have been found wanking...:P
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True.. and
Self evident
As different
Inspires me..:)


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18 Feb 2018, 7:51 am

And this also applies to
Science and Art as Jonathan
Haidt describes Conservatives who are more Averse and even disgusted by different and change in more closed minded and body ways; where conversely the other end of the spectrum
Per Liberal is much
More likely to seek
Change and
Embrace
Change in
Open ways where
Jordan Peterson totally
Agrees this is both an
Innate and Environmentally
Influenced Personality trait;
But as measured on this
Community website as
People volunteering
Information in
Large scale
Personality
Trait
Informal Polls;
95 percent were assessed
As introverts and only
5 percent are in my
Category, so it is
Safe to
Say, although
We are all Different;
Most everyone Here is
Introverted except for
The outlier folks like
Me and that
Comes in
Body
Language too;
For in public I
Can predictably
Predict how someone
Will embrace or ignore
Or actually be disgusted
Over my Public
Dance by
Their Body Language
From a Distance
Where I tend to
Do them a favor
By diverting
My path
Well
Before they arrive;
Oldest story; some folks
Dance and some folks do
Not as an applicable
Philosophy of
Even the
Movie Guardians of
The Galaxy and to
Be clear I do not
See you as
Closed minded but
I make it
A point
Now to
Visit in
Measured response
As to not totally offend
Folks as people refused
To even ignore the
Extreme difference
Of me in the
Past as offending
Their 'sensibilities';
While this is a site for
The neurodiverse;
Sure as long as
One is
Introverted overall
By the assessed
Reality
Of the
Environment at
Hand; the Internet
As Whole is big enough
For someone as outlier
As I am these Days;
And the fact that
Store management
Allows me to Public
Dance now 8888
Miles in 54
Months,
Say something
At least for my
Ability to
Adapt to
Trump City USA..;)


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18 Feb 2018, 8:13 am

aghogday wrote:
And this also applies to
Science and Art as Jonathan
Haidt describes Conservatives who are more Averse and even disgusted by different and change in more closed minded and body ways; where conversely the other end of the spectrum
Per Liberal is much
More likely to seek
Change and
Embrace
Change in
Open ways where
Jordan Peterson totally
Agrees this is both an
Innate and Environmentally
Influenced Personality trait;
But as measured on this
Community website as
People volunteering
Information in
Large scale
Personality
Trait
Informal Polls;
95 percent were assessed
As introverts and only
5 percent are in my
Category, so it is
Safe to
Say, although
We are all Different;
Most everyone Here is
Introverted except for
The outlier folks like
Me and that
Comes in
Body
Language too;
For in public I
Can predictably
Predict how someone
Will embrace or ignore
Or actually be disgusted
Over my Public
Dance by
Their Body Language
From a Distance
Where I tend to
Do them a favor
By diverting
My path
Well
Before they arrive;
Oldest story; some folks
Dance and some folks do
Not as an applicable
Philosophy of
Even the
Movie Guardians of
The Galaxy and to
Be clear I do not
See you as
Closed minded but
I make it
A point
Now to
Visit in
Measured response
As to not totally offend
Folks as people refused
To even ignore the
Extreme difference
Of me in the
Past as offending
Their 'sensibilities';
While this is a site for
The neurodiverse;
Sure as long as
One is
Introverted overall
By the assessed
Reality
Of the
Environment at
Hand; the Internet
As Whole is big enough
For someone as outlier
As I am these Days;
And the fact that
Store management
Allows me to Public
Dance now 8888
Miles in 54
Months,
Say something
At least for my
Ability to
Adapt to
Trump City USA..;)


How on earth could anyone find you offensive?
The only issue, for want of a better word, I have with your posts is that it takes a serious commitment for me to read them, most of the time...
I'm not a good or patient reader and I usually have to make a serious commitment in analysing what is said...
This lack of patience is in part due to my being slightly dyslexic...

You are obviously a very decent person...
Can I take you out for coffee and cake...
But leave your wife at home, hokay... :wink:


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18 Feb 2018, 10:05 am

Hi Pepe, thanks for the kind reply and sorry for the rather longitudinal way that last
post came out for i was on a Smart Phone and i'm not very good with one finger typing
in that way. It's true, your comment here is proof of my 'suspicion' that you are
an open minded person; for others do find great offense in the differences
of me that i document on the way of my story too; it has taken me a very
long time to understand why as i can tolerate most all differences now but
i do understand now by way of Science and people like Jonathan Haidt as to
why that is now. After, I listened to Jonathan Haidt's Video i stopped coming
here for a long time for i understood there was nothing i was gonna do to
change the Biology of that. Thanks, for the offer of cake and coffee. I can't
do coffee as i am 'normally' too high for that but occasionally i do cake.
My wife would probably be too shy to come and she doesn't dance or
do the 'boogie boogie flu' either; whatever
that means; hehe.
Top of whatever time
it is in Oz today; but hey,
i don't care what time it is
cause i am re-tired and free in that way;
I have ADHD too; if i wrote all the way across
the page i would lose focus on what i write too.
True though, i am opposite from Dyslexia as i am
born Hyperlexic which explains much of what i do in
my fascination with decoding and using symbols
in unusual ways of seeing life different than
most folks too, both in bigger and
smaller picture ways; the
important part of life is
finding avenues where we can express
our individualities as humans now and find
traditions of same that we find comfortable now too.
It's true the outliers can mess up 'clubs' too but that is
what community rules do; not everyone is comfortable in the nudist colonies of life;
nor is everyone welcome there; particularly those who ironically wear clothes. i'm
not much
for tradition;
i go to church for
the high of singing and
blowing folks minds with
the different of me as the Malignant
Patriarchy did the best they could do to verbally
abuse and taunt me when i was an androgynous
young male; Now that i am muscular and 240Lbs or so
and have become a proficient Martial Artist dropping the anxiety
and more timid body language; it's true all i have to do to be a Public
Ballerina around here is look the part of the Alpha Male that they expect men to be.
True though,
in my opinion
they'll never
be a 'real man'
until they become
a Ballerina too per Jung's
analysis of the need to balance
the anima with the animus too.
That's what i do in Trump State Land
USA; Prove someone can do both and
F in Get away with it counting still 54 months of just
that in Public View of everyone; when one of 'those'
comes to videotape me now; i come up with a question
like hey; have you ever met a "Navy Seal"; they pause a second
and
'think';
Usually that's
all that's said.
I keep my so-called
'enemies' very close as 'friend.
And hell no; I wouldn't even kill
a roach. The 'Ballerina Wife' has to
do that around the house as she usually
wears 'the pants' and is the more aggressive one overall.
A person doesn't have to be aggressive to be strong but where
i live most ironically where there are more churches per historical
record than anywhere else in the United States a Man has to practically
be Clark Kent as Superman to
even
express
Unconditional
Love. if Jesus were
real this would be the
last place folks would accept
a Five Foot one and 106 LB or
so Brown Dude with dirty feet
and sandals in a Church Full of Suits
and Ties; all members of the Chamber
of Commerce
as such
with
'Money Tables still';
only difference is if he really
tried to turn them over they would
beat him up; arrest him next; and take
him to jail if they didn't shoot him first
standing their ground with a defenseless man.
That's part of the reason why i wear shades; so
'they' don't see my 'devil eyes'
when 'they'
act
like that.
Life is fun when
misChief comes to town.
April Fool's Day is Easter
this year and the Fool part of that i still cherish
as an act i direct and produce these days of the play of me i own;
other than that have a nice night or day or again whatever time is in Oz;
as i continue
to do the 'Wizard', hehe;
curtains and all of that
with ironic surprises too..;)


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