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Why do you own a gun?
For self-protection 18%  18%  [ 11 ]
For hunting 7%  7%  [ 4 ]
As a hobby or collection 12%  12%  [ 7 ]
Symbolic or object of desire 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
I don't own a gun 63%  63%  [ 38 ]
Total votes : 60

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12 Mar 2018, 5:23 am

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Or would you, as responsible gun owners, appreciate sensible measures to keep guns (or certain types of guns) out of irresponsible hands?
This question is an example of a fallacy called "logical paradox". It is written in a manner to purposefully make it unanswerable. Another example of this type of fallacy is "How long ago did you stop beating your wife?"


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12 Mar 2018, 5:45 am

Is it?
Maybe my own biases are showing, that was unintentional, just hard to avoid sometimes.
How can I put it a better way? How about:

Would you support any new gun control measures at all? If so, which do you feel would be most effective?



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12 Mar 2018, 6:27 am

The new gun control measure should be: Make it a criminal offense to ignore enforcement of existing gun control laws. The problem is not a lack of gun control laws. We have the proper ones in the legal code. The problem it is the unwillingness of our government to enforce them.
I could go off on a tangent about several other types of crimes that are similarly not being enforced for political reasons...


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12 Mar 2018, 7:59 am

Or maybe they don't have the cojones to try to enforce them, because they know the people would rebel. This in turn means those laws should never have been passed.


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12 Mar 2018, 1:44 pm

MrsPeel wrote:
I'm still waiting for someone to be honest and click "symbolic or object of desire" :twisted:
(Some of you guys do seem to be awfully fond of your guns) :lol: Only kidding.

But Sly, Raptor, do you feel as if you're under attack at the moment, with the debate over stricter controls?
Or would you, as responsible gun owners, appreciate sensible measures to keep guns (or certain types of guns) out of irresponsible hands?


I primarily own guns for defense and collecting. What exactly do you mean by symbolic or object of desire? Is it that whole men who won large trucks or guns are compsenating for small penis thing ?

Yes we are very under attack. All the pushing for simiauto bans, nics fix with its horrible wording, expanded background checks with its horrible wording, attempting to make aspies who get government aid treated as violent and out into nics and have their rights stripped without due process, attempts to ban magazines, trying to higher the legal age to buy a rife , etc. though there’s never a time we gun ownwers aren’t under attack every single day they attack us, they are always in the attack. Since around 2008 it’s been never ending.

MrsPeel wrote:
Is it?
Maybe my own biases are showing, that was unintentional, just hard to avoid sometimes.
How can I put it a better way? How about:

Would you support any new gun control measures at all? If so, which do you feel would be most effective?


Nope not a single one. They are all horrible. Even the simplest sounding one they cram full of horrible stuff hidden under its name.
I support removing the nfa, Hughes act, oblishing the atf or atleast making them just alcohol and tobac agency, fbi already handles guns and atf has a horrible past(fast and furious) . I want national carry reciprocity, and unbanning silencers, though if we got rid of nfa it’d be covered. Europe requires silencers,us makes them hard to get lol.
I’d also like it made so if you move next to a gun range you can’t complain about the noise and get the, closed down. They were there first you knew they’d be shooting guns.
It should be just like how people can’t legally complain about sand on their property when they live near the beach. Gov told them they knew the about sand when they both a house on the beach and they need to give the government it’s sand back :lol:



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12 Mar 2018, 1:59 pm

I don't have small children or kids in general in my house.My handgun is loaded,safety on and where I can get to it quick if I need to.I've had to put down sick animals,and if something tries to drag off a chicken I don't want to be fumbling around trying to load it or unlock it.For protection also,years ago there was a violent home invasion at my closest neighbor's.It also would take the police at least thirty minutes to get here,maybe more if I needed them.I don't dpend on them showing up to protect me and no one else here counts on them for protection.


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12 Mar 2018, 2:10 pm

The way I see it is that a responsible collective society makes laws taking all citizens into consideration.

You can either have guns but so can the irresponsible, the mentally challenged and the dangerous, or you can't have guns and neither can those listed above. It's one or the other, you choose whether all in society can have guns or none can.



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12 Mar 2018, 4:08 pm

By default, everyone can. The alternative requires someone to forcibly steal all the guns from their owners.


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12 Mar 2018, 4:53 pm

Spiderpig wrote:
By default, everyone can. The alternative requires someone to forcibly steal all the guns from their owners.

Anti gun people don’t see forcefully taking people’s possessions ,without compensation on top of it, as stealing if it’s done by the government on the anti gun people’s behalf. If it was about doing so to them they’d freak out and call for abolishing the government.



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13 Mar 2018, 4:23 am

Misslizard wrote:
I don't have small children or kids in general in my house.My handgun is loaded,safety on and where I can get to it quick if I need to.I've had to put down sick animals,and if something tries to drag off a chicken I don't want to be fumbling around trying to load it or unlock it.For protection also,years ago there was a violent home invasion at my closest neighbor's.It also would take the police at least thirty minutes to get here,maybe more if I needed them.I don't dpend on them showing up to protect me and no one else here counts on them for protection.

Even in the city or suburbs it can take too long, but too long can be only a few minutes.
There's an old saying that when seconds count the police are only minutes away. This is why hearing someone say "well, I'll just call the police if someone breaks in" sounds so stupid.


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27 Aug 2020, 7:43 am

I don't own a gun because I have no interest in guns. I do however support the right to gun ownership. The founders wisely understood that a free people need to be able to defend their life, liberty and property from those who would be tempted to take them. As recent events in the US have shown us, gun ownership can make the difference between being a victim of an angry mob or not.



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27 Aug 2020, 7:49 am



Or Being A Victim of Folks Brainwashed
To Kill Innocent Protestors... Mileage Varies Depending
On Which End of ‘The GuN’ One is on... ‘Human’ ‘Tools’ Do Kill;
For Instance, If one IS Black, They May Walk Towards their Vehicle
Without Having Any Weapon, and Be Shot in the Back by Cops; If one
IS White, They May Kill Two Innocent Protestors, Still Carrying the
Long Gun, Potentially Killing Others, including Cops
And Be Spared Death by Cops And Taken Alive
Instead;
indeed,
'The Colors
of Guns', indeed;
Where 'Make and
Model' Will Be A Life
or Death Answer as Humans Tools DO;
This Really Happens; In Fact, It is in the U.S. News;
Clear For Everyone to See As i Speak Now at Least;
Pictures Say so much Now that they can't Just Be Covered Up with 'Killing Tool Lies'.
To Be Clear, i support Second Amendment Rights too; But Not Human Killing Tools.
On the Other Hand,
i Am 'Man' Enough
Not to 'Need' 'a Gun',
A 'Four-Wheel-Drive', Or a 'Trump', to be a Dude...
There Really Should Be A Song For This that is
Sung So Much Better Than 'Trace Atkins'; His
Mama
Should
Have
Taught Him
How to Sing 'That Song'...
As That Relates to 'Atkins'
Last Night Singing 'The National'
Anthem' And Trump's Minions Who Were
Standing Next to each Other With Similar
Killing Tools oF iGnorance With No Social
Distancing or Masks to Protect Others From
Pandemic Death, Herman Caine way as simple
Worship for
their Similar
Leader with No
Empathy for anyone
Else but Himself; not
much really as He Can't BE
A 'Real Dude' unless He Wraps
His Bleached- Blonde-Hair From
'The Ground Up' And 'Back Again';
Comb Over of Soul; More Dangerous than Guns...
My Father in Law-Enforcement for 46 Years; Longest
Serving Deputy Sheriff in Florida in One Point in His Career;
Was a Gun Collector; i could have Collected Tons of Guns, inherited
From Him; but i gave them away to Women Relatives Who Really Needed them instead....

You Know what; i don't Love Guns at all; But i See Their Place; As SWords Still Do too;
For those without What it takes to live life without a Sword; One thing i Do Love is What
The American Flag Stands For; For You See, (not you really, just telling a story HeaR)
The Flag Doesn't Have to Stand Up For Freedom; For the Flag Flies When Free;
As Do We, Who Are Not Hampered By Ignorance Spreading Fear and Hate;
And You Know What; It's true; i Can Sing this Song Much Better (Technically)
Than 'These Two Country And Western Cowboy Singers'; meh, but i have
more 'important' things to do; Like Wearing A Mask; Picking Up the Cross
of a Little Cotton Piece of Cloth, Protecting Others from Potential Death;
Where is the Pride of Freedom
for those who will not
Protect Their
Fellow
Citizens
From Potential
Death from their
Ignorance that Spreads
Fear and Hate and Killing
Winds of their Breath of Love;
No Where Free; No Where Free, indeed;
For You See they May Have Lots of Guns;
Lots of Four-Wheel Drives; But Without Enough
Patriotism to Protect Their Fellow Citizens Lives From
Potential Death By Lifting a Little Cross of Cotton, a Flag
Indeed too; not only
Do they not have
Any Flag of
America
Flying as Soul;
So far; So far away
Removed From the Flag
of their God, according to
Their Religion Love that Gives
And Shares Free And does least Harm to All of Existence Now;
but only if they Believe that 'God' is Alpha Thru Omega and Not
just

the

example

of

one Dude...

Their God Tool Trump...

Guns are A Metaphor for
What Humans Have Become;
And are Becoming More; Cold
Metal Fingers; Cold Metal Fingers...
For You See; 'Charlton Heston' was real
but not their God of
Love Now...

or even
Freedom
Enough
Worth
Saving a Life
With a Cotton
Cloth Cross of Mask...

"Love Never Requires Worship Or Fears
Criticism For This God This Love Is Free"

-by me
~Short And Tall
~So Very Sweet And Real too

This Is An ANTHeM i WiLL ALWaYS Fly With Free


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27 Aug 2020, 11:12 am

When protesters destroy property or assault persons, they are no longer protestors but criminals. People have a right to defend themselves and their property.



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27 Aug 2020, 11:21 am

Mr Reynholm wrote:
When protesters destroy property or assault persons, they are no longer protestors but criminals. People have a right to defend themselves and their property.


Like i 'Sang' (Sing) 'A God
of Cold Metal Fingers';
Where Stuff is More
God Than Human;
Hehe; i've already
Attempted to
Sing to the
'Choir';
They Hear
me but they
Really Don't Listen;
Or Even See Me, As Such
Is Still the Human Condition;
Without REAL Regard for 'the Condition'...

Other than That Shooting Innocent
Protestors on the Highway of Life; One
may get taken alive, if one is White; But
That's Murder; One Goes To Jail at least For Life....

No Different Than 'The Pizza Guy' with a Long Gun Looking
For a Basement That Never Existed at all; that some folks still believe exists too

As Similar Ignorant Killing Tools, Seeing No Further than Fear and Hate Same....

Ignorance Kills;
Ignorance Kills;
No ifs, and or buts;
Ignorance, Definitely Kills...

Art And Reason Combined Is More Powerful
Than The Force of Any Tool For Indeed Art And
Reason ToGeTHeR Free IS THE HUMAN CONDITiON


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27 Aug 2020, 12:49 pm

Where is the option for "we need it for pests" because my husband got himself a pellot gun to kill off rats in our yard.

That is the only gun we own. :lol:


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27 Aug 2020, 12:56 pm

League_Girl wrote:
Where is the option for "we need it for pests" because my husband got himself a pellot gun to kill off rats in our yard.

That is the only gun we own. :lol:


i LiVE iN the Forest...
We 'Use' Big Snakes For That...
But Yes, Very Nice Snakes that are

Just Hungry...
Keeping the
Population
of Rodents
in Check...

Other than that
i Let Other Life
Do All the 'Real Work' too..;)


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