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17 Mar 2018, 10:35 pm

“If you're in trouble or hurt or need–go to poor people. They're the only ones that'll help–the only ones.” ― John Steinbeck, The Grapes of Wrath



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17 Mar 2018, 10:42 pm

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“If you're in trouble or hurt or need–go to poor people. They're the only ones that'll help–the only ones.” ― John Steinbeck, The Grapes of Wrath


That's often been my experience.


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17 Mar 2018, 11:05 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
“If you're in trouble or hurt or need–go to poor people. They're the only ones that'll help–the only ones.” ― John Steinbeck, The Grapes of Wrath


That's often been my experience.

same here. Steinbeck is an example of a gamma male who did what he could to help. [gammas are alphas with a conscience].



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17 Mar 2018, 11:41 pm

auntblabby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
“If you're in trouble or hurt or need–go to poor people. They're the only ones that'll help–the only ones.” ― John Steinbeck, The Grapes of Wrath


That's often been my experience.

same here. Steinbeck is an example of a gamma male who did what he could to help. [gammas are alphas with a conscience].


Then God bless the Gammas! :D


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17 Mar 2018, 11:53 pm

yeh, damned cigarettes took him away from this world way too soon. :(



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18 Mar 2018, 12:07 am

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yeh, damned cigarettes took him away from this world way too soon. :(


Damn tobacco industry. :evil:


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18 Mar 2018, 12:17 am

yeh, he was one of a handful of American authors who wrote successful works explicitly about the class structure in this nation.



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18 Mar 2018, 12:20 am

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yeh, he was one of a handful of American authors who wrote successful works explicitly about the class structure in this nation.


There are today Republicans who claim the Great Depression wasn't all that bad, but that Steinbeck had blown it out of proportion. :roll: :evil:


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18 Mar 2018, 12:24 am

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auntblabby wrote:
yeh, he was one of a handful of American authors who wrote successful works explicitly about the class structure in this nation.


There are today Republicans who claim the Great Depression wasn't all that bad, but that Steinbeck had blown it out of proportion. :roll: :evil:

IMHO those are exactly the same sorts of sociopaths who poo-poohed the Mỹ Lai Massacre.



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18 Mar 2018, 12:30 am

auntblabby wrote:
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yeh, he was one of a handful of American authors who wrote successful works explicitly about the class structure in this nation.


There are today Republicans who claim the Great Depression wasn't all that bad, but that Steinbeck had blown it out of proportion. :roll: :evil:

IMHO those are exactly the same sorts of sociopaths who poo-poohed the Mỹ Lai Massacre.


And who had made light of Abu Ghraib. They said how American cheerleaders would form pyramids out of their bodies, just like the prisoners there were made to do. Except the prisoners were beaten and naked.


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18 Mar 2018, 12:33 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
yeh, he was one of a handful of American authors who wrote successful works explicitly about the class structure in this nation.


There are today Republicans who claim the Great Depression wasn't all that bad, but that Steinbeck had blown it out of proportion. :roll: :evil:


They were called "the red thirties" for a reason. America was seriously on the verge of a communist revolution because people had become so desperate.

What if FDR and John Maynard Keynes hadn't fixed the economy?

This is yet another reason why "libertarian capitalism" wouldn't last. Even capitalist leaders need to give the poor a certain amount of support in order to keep them away from the far-left.

Nowadays, all of the countries with "libertarian capitalist" economies are in the third world. This is because third world leaders with strong pro-capitalist tendencies tend to get support from Western plutocrats as well as Western governments.


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18 Mar 2018, 1:10 am

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
yeh, he was one of a handful of American authors who wrote successful works explicitly about the class structure in this nation.


There are today Republicans who claim the Great Depression wasn't all that bad, but that Steinbeck had blown it out of proportion. :roll: :evil:


They were called "the red thirties" for a reason. America was seriously on the verge of a communist revolution because people had become so desperate.

What if FDR and John Maynard Keynes hadn't fixed the economy?

This is yet another reason why "libertarian capitalism" wouldn't last. Even capitalist leaders need to give the poor a certain amount of support in order to keep them away from the far-left.

Nowadays, all of the countries with "libertarian capitalist" economies are in the third world. This is because third world leaders with strong pro-capitalist tendencies tend to get support from Western plutocrats as well as Western governments.

general smedley butler was recruited to lead a coup d'état in the early 30s. were it not for the fact that he wasn't a sociopath, it could have devolved in the other direction to a tyranny of the 1% who bought wholesale the military and the police. the mass murder would have happened here AND elsewhere. instead, they hadda wait a few decades...



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18 Mar 2018, 2:03 am

auntblabby wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
yeh, he was one of a handful of American authors who wrote successful works explicitly about the class structure in this nation.


There are today Republicans who claim the Great Depression wasn't all that bad, but that Steinbeck had blown it out of proportion. :roll: :evil:


They were called "the red thirties" for a reason. America was seriously on the verge of a communist revolution because people had become so desperate.

What if FDR and John Maynard Keynes hadn't fixed the economy?

This is yet another reason why "libertarian capitalism" wouldn't last. Even capitalist leaders need to give the poor a certain amount of support in order to keep them away from the far-left.

Nowadays, all of the countries with "libertarian capitalist" economies are in the third world. This is because third world leaders with strong pro-capitalist tendencies tend to get support from Western plutocrats as well as Western governments.

general smedley butler was recruited to lead a coup d'état in the early 30s. were it not for the fact that he wasn't a sociopath, it could have devolved in the other direction to a tyranny of the 1% who bought wholesale the military and the police. the mass murder would have happened here AND elsewhere. instead, they hadda wait a few decades...


My dad had read a book on Smedley Butler and how well connected American fascists had tried to orchestrate a right wing coup to destroy democracy. I also remember a documentary on the History Channel about this, when they actually had actual history on their channel.


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18 Mar 2018, 2:46 am

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My dad had read a book on Smedley Butler and how well connected American fascists had tried to orchestrate a right wing coup to destroy democracy. I also remember a documentary on the History Channel about this, when they actually had actual history on their channel.

interestingly, no charges of treason or something else were ever brought up against the plotters. they were above the law, it would seem. they are still above the law.



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18 Mar 2018, 11:08 am

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My dad had read a book on Smedley Butler and how well connected American fascists had tried to orchestrate a right wing coup to destroy democracy. I also remember a documentary on the History Channel about this, when they actually had actual history on their channel.

interestingly, no charges of treason or something else were ever brought up against the plotters. they were above the law, it would seem. they are still above the law.


And believe it or not, it was all publicly exposed by the House Committee on UnAmerican Activities, back when it was still very liberal.


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18 Mar 2018, 3:03 pm

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auntblabby wrote:
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My dad had read a book on Smedley Butler and how well connected American fascists had tried to orchestrate a right wing coup to destroy democracy. I also remember a documentary on the History Channel about this, when they actually had actual history on their channel.

interestingly, no charges of treason or something else were ever brought up against the plotters. they were above the law, it would seem. they are still above the law.


And believe it or not, it was all publicly exposed by the House Committee on UnAmerican Activities, back when it was still very liberal.

I never quite understood why the working class is so eager to give a pass to these creeps, and to actually worship them in an quasi-sacrilegious manner?