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15 Mar 2018, 11:27 pm

Hi all.

I'm not sure if I have shared this brilliant video on this site. I'll share it now just in case.


According to this video, the current explosive human population growth is just temporary. It will eventually end.

Here's the thing. This video has me thinking. Will this eventually lead to underpopulation at some point in the future? I'm saying this because many developed countries have birth rates that are well below replacement level ... so what happens when the entire world is developed?

I can already imagine it right now. Imagine the world in the year 2300. The population has plummeted because now everyone has easy access to abortion and contraceptives. Most of the few people left on earth live in little mini-cities, most of which are vestiges of our largest cities, such as New York City and Shanghai. These cities are technologically advanced, but have very small populations. These cities are surrounded by vast wilderness. Most of the small towns of our era have been abandoned, and are in a state of decay.

These cities are full of politically correct culture, but people who aren't fond of this political correctness can live out in the wild lands ... so there isn't much conflict. Eventually, the cities will shrink into nothing and human history will begin again.

Will this happen or am I just being my usual hyper-imaginative self? :lol:


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15 Mar 2018, 11:52 pm

that seems a best-case scenario, a lotta bad things could happen to us before that rosy future.



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16 Mar 2018, 4:30 am

Sure. It could happen.

Indeed its likely to happen if things go well. If each couple has only one child the population would start to go down. And it would be going down gradually and nonviolently (as opposed to the population going down unpleasantly and suddenly via mass starvation/famine, or nuclear war, or a new Bubonic Plague, or whatever).

But both over and under population are relative terms. It would have to be relative to something.

If the birthrate were to go down so fast that there were too many old folks to take care of relative to the productive middle aged and young folks then that would be relative under population.



If the current US population were cut in half it would still have over 150 million people -which is more population than it had for most of its history (there would still be more Americans then there were during World War Two, and almost as many as there were when JFK was president. Same with the planet as a whole. If the world population were cut in half there would still be over three billion population. The world had only two billion people during world war two. Its not the numbers but how fast the numbers have grown within living memory that is unprecedented. So it would take a LONG period of depopulation for human numbers to go down to being what they were even a 100 years ago. And a 100 years ago nobody worried about the world being underpopulated. During the Great Depression there were more people than jobs (so one could argue that there was relative over population then), but the absolute number of people alive then was less than half of what it is now in both the US and in the world.



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16 Mar 2018, 4:47 am

The solution:



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16 Mar 2018, 8:54 pm

Many Caucasian countries and Japan are under populating. Many western European Countries rely on immigration from the third world to supply population growth. The United States population (for example) would also be dwindling if it was not for their Central and south American populations which are having a lot of children supplying their country growth (for now anyway). Much of this population decline in the west is the result of modern gender concepts (men and women considered equal, have to get equal education, equal careers etc.) and rising cost of living. That's the truth.



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17 Mar 2018, 12:02 am

In some ways I think we're gearing up for it.

If we find ourselves in a place where, gradually, the countryside depopulates due to job loss and your only chance of making a living is near a big city you'll be in tight competition with people far brighter and more blessed in their opportunities it'll mean one's place on the percentile curve will matter much more and with much fewer people in the country side the effect will be more profound. Not everyone who can't find a job will go the route of not having children but it will be a significant enough factor that if the competence needed for survival is punishing enough it would probably put choosiness into overdrive and we'd be selecting for a skeleton crew (the fame-level achievers) rather than mediocre or even high-mediocre getting by.

I consider that the developing world is also on course to be doing the same and by the time they have industrialized farming being the norm and mandatory public education that cascade will start the same chain of consequences off for those societies as well.


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17 Mar 2018, 5:11 am

Puppies and kitties would cause underpopulation.



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18 Mar 2018, 12:53 am

:scratch: :?



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18 Mar 2018, 12:57 am

of birds, probably.



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18 Mar 2018, 1:06 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Puppies and kitties would cause underpopulation.


People have been keeping puppies and kittens for a long time.

What's taking so long?


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18 Mar 2018, 4:36 am

Yeah.

Its not obvious to me either what Boo means.

Maybe he means that puppies and kittens siphon off a person's parental instincts, and cause folks to not have real children.

But as said above people have been raising puppies and kittens for centuries already. So..?



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18 Mar 2018, 9:42 am

Underpopulation, is already a 'Big Thing' in Japan, where a Poll Showed in the Age Group of 18 to 34, over 30 Percent
of Folks are Still Virgins; and over 60 Percent are not in relationships; where additionally, the Economic Pressures now
to succeed are replacing Children, and Relationships in general; And in some cases at least, Dogs in Strollers are replacing Children and Significant others too for any potential of the Warm and Fuzzy Feeling of the Social Bonding Oxytocin Neuro-hormone, too; And even the potential for Robo-Dogs for any Virtual Feeling for Humanity and Pet Connection;
where even 'Love is outsourced to Machine'; and yes, Virtual Sex to replace any need to actually 'do something' of that.

And at least online, where there are many alternatives to male and female relationships; hehe, like
discussing why 'Woman are not worth it' among Caucasians mostly in Western Developed
countries; it is no wonder really why Hispanic Catholics are still having Children no
matter what and in the next two years the Majority of under 18 year olds will
be non-white; and the same applies to the entire United States Country
by the year 2044. 'Browner Folks', to use a cliche, are still doing the 'Wild Thing' so
there is no need at all at this time to worry about Under-Population as a whole and additionally
there are many countries still that enforce no birth control and abortions; so voila, they will continue
to Breed up to a 'Browner' World too. This is a major reason, other than a lack of Jobs and Jobs that now
actually mean something of self esteem and social roles why we have a Populist Leaning President catering
to a very afraid sinking overall Ethnic Demographic of so-called 'Whiter Culture' as it stands, which is kind of an
oxymoron for the Hispanics and other minorities typically thrive more with overall cultural bonds that bind.


Of course, this is the tide in Europe too with African Muslim Folks Migrating up for 'Greener Pastures' to
raise a big family too. People tend to overall not like change too much and those who stick together win
and those who don't, tend to lose; and it goes as common sense that those particular folks with particular
traits that are not dominant tend to get erased by those with particular traits like darker melanin of
skin that are dominant. Young Folks are mixing with Freedom like never before and the ironic
impact of Politicians not listening to close to 70 percent of folks who don't want Assault
Weapons for Sell is really getting that under 18 new rising non-white population more
aware of the political process like a New Video Game to be played as far as political
protests go. The World is Changing Faster but the Human Species is far from
going away; it's just changing like it always has and will continue to do so as long
as no 'real fools' at the top are pressing Nuclear Buttons out of 'butt hurt' of moving
to just another "Montezuma" Revenge where the Indigenous Folks come back to Haunt
what was once the White Privilege of Displacing the Indians who were once 'North of the
Border' and are now 'South of the Border' coming back to replace the 'other folks' who are no longer
reproducing so much for they too are more interested in material success than the warm and fuzzy's
of breeding children that feels so good on Front Porch Hugs that still mean something more than bucks
and big cars and towers and stuff like that. I personally welcome it and am so glad that I have enough Sioux
and Cherokee; and sure, Cajun Blood to tan in the Winter time too. And sure that just enhances my Irish and
Black Forest of Germany Light Colored eyes among the Women at least. But nah, there is way too much to do
to have fun other than to add to what currently is overpopulation that will balance out by the middle of this Century
as predicted by Science, so far, at least. True, it's 'cause of People like me too, who are enjoying life
so much childless that it is worth it to stay that way as long as one takes care of themselves and
makes actual efforts to stay connected to flesh and blood connections as the elderly in
Japan are not doing that; so, 'Clean up Crews' are booming taking care of their remains as
they die with no connections in Apartments in Skyscrapers of lonely. Let's face it; Life takes
work from first blink to last blink; take care of all the responsibilities of living or lose the happy
and sure, more years of life too, generally speaking. Anyway, there is a Tsunami of Political Changes
and Cultural Changes coming and most ironically 'Trump Antics' are pushing it in a way that will be
antithetical to all the hopes
he was
'supposed
to bring' but that's how it goes,
what goes up "crazy" will come down, too;
and yes that includes insanely large Populations
of Humans too. Nature is still in charge at large, overall.

True at core level this is also true in Social Scientist Studies that
show that Black Males in the United States and Europe have the highest
levels of Self-Esteem, regardless of Socio-Economic Status for two core factors.
The first Factor is confidence in feeling comfortable in one's own skin to actually be
able to defend oneself in a real physical fight with no weapons at all. The Second Factor
is confidence in Reproductive Prowess where that is only common sense to be by the first factor
of overall physical confidence as Fearlessness is the trait that Social Science indicates is the most
attractive to the Female Gender with Socio-Economic Stuff at the Bottom of the Poll. In other words,
we are animals; just animals as the polls tend to show. Those who have sex in 'the old biblical ways',
will continue to have their way, no matter what the folks who are doing Grey Poupon mustard continue
to say otherwise in isolated pockets of alt right Websites and the such as that 'Fresh Hell' where 'they live' too
by their own 'not doing', overall. Truly, online is an amazing resource for Anthropologist Hobbyists who aren't paying
for anyone's College Education and stuff like that. Reproduction, is no longer on any list for many folks 'these days'.

And in Japan, at least; and growing in other so-called technologically advanced places, not even 'the wild thing' at all.

Nature Dances and Sings Hooray; (me too, without any Pound or Dollar Concerned signs) Life is good the way it stands.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 31041.html


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19 Mar 2018, 8:25 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Yeah.

Its not obvious to me either what Boo means.

Maybe he means that puppies and kittens siphon off a person's parental instincts, and cause folks to not have real children.

But as said above people have been raising puppies and kittens for centuries already. So..?






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19 Mar 2018, 9:08 am

Underreproducing populations can be replaced by those doing their job in this business.
In long run, it may mean bye bye to feminism.
Or only constant fight of different forces forming dynamic equilibria.
But humans are too flexible to make underpopulation a real problem. If Europeans and the Japanese can't sustain, Nigerians seem to be more than willing to take their place.
If Nigerians reach low birth rate, some other group will take their chance.
Right now the movie may be right but in the long run there are lots of factors that are hard to predict. Like emerging fashions or ideologies.


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19 Mar 2018, 10:22 pm

"the handmaid's tale" was not totally out of left field.