Do you aspies consider yourself mentally defective?

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Do you aspies consider yourself mentally defective?
Yes 13%  13%  [ 3 ]
No 88%  88%  [ 21 ]
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23 Mar 2018, 4:03 am

Do you consider yourself mentally ill and a danger to others?



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23 Mar 2018, 4:04 am

Would this be ok for general aspie section?
I dont know so poster here.



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23 Mar 2018, 4:49 am

My Autism is a bunch of features not bugs. The features are doing what they are designed to do. Unfortunatly for me some of the features confuse a lot of people, a lot of other just do not like them.


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23 Mar 2018, 5:05 am

I take the position that those on the spectrum are different, not wrong...

Why not ask: Are NTs mentally defective?
This has been discussed comprehensively throughout the internet over the years...

I've speculated elsewhere that if those on the spectrum were the dominant life form we wouldn't have had the apocolyptic wars throughout history...<shrug>


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23 Mar 2018, 5:23 am

I officially am mentally defective, my defect being the one formerly known as Asperger's syndrome. There's no taking that back, much to my own chagrin. I'll try to help the world forget it as much and as soon as possible, of course.


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23 Mar 2018, 5:32 am

I don't and I wonder what the others have to say as well.



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23 Mar 2018, 5:38 am

More of a danger to myself than to others, but you never know.


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23 Mar 2018, 7:23 am

It's a net loss to me despite getting some benefits out of it, but I'm not a danger to others.



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23 Mar 2018, 12:59 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6iKSUoUN48

Just a long note of encouragement for the one person who
voted yes; that they consider themselves Mentally Defective now
for having this Condition Named Asperger's Syndrome as it is worth
noting still that in Longitudinal Study as a Follow-up much later in life
in regard to the Children Hans Asperger Studied in what he termed as Autistic
Psychopathy, in study then, of having difficulty in Reciprocal Social Communication
with 'oddities' of both Spoken and Non-Verbal Language as well as Restricted Interests
And Repetitive Behavior associated with those Special Interests that may interfere with
Expanding a Social Empathic otherwise Moving and Connecting Co-Creative Experience now
with other human beings; the Good News; yes, the really Good News is when the researcher
came upon these adult folks with the condition studied; most had found a Niche and Epigenetically
And Neuroplastically Changed where their life was relatively successful and happy too; now, of course
That was last Century but considering that Systemizing Science is more prized than ever in Information
Technology for those more STEM-like minded folks on the Autism Spectrum in Higher Functioning ways now
that's even better news for the opportunity many folks have found as a Niche of Life; but, it's also worth
noting that studies have shown that up to Two-Thirds of Folks With Higher Functioning Autism now are not
of the STEM variety at all; in fact, many cannot even do Math with Non-Verbal Learning Disorder related
issues, too. It would be interesting to find out which 'kind' of folks were in that Study but I have no idea.
Most of the Children, as in the Case of those studied by Leo Kanner were from Affluent and Well Educated
Families where he got the idea of the Refrigerator Parent then that is making a come back now
in Science as Science shows now that Cold Parents actually do non-nurture Children who
Become not wired well for Reciprocal Social Communication; More, on the Science
of that as linked below that also interestingly; more, as it directly relates
to the current Science that shows that Spiritual Intelligence
is a real deal too that can lead to dysfunctional experiences
of having a fulfilled life with Happiness too. CLOSED minded folks
tend to feel more disgust over whatever is different in their environment
they are not used too; And when I was growing up in a Very Conservative Area
that attracted this 'sort' of human as we still have about an 80% Voting Record
Here in 'Trump Land USA'; the reception for someone as different than as me was
mostly like another Fish in an Aquarium as rejected from existence for not looking
as robust as the 'other fish'. Thing is; from Adversity Will come Great Struggle and
Great Change as Victory NoW iN Life or more of a Vengeance against what one comes to
think they cannot change in an overall misery loves company of life; particularly, when
one's Family members may not be there to support one now who is also outcast from the Peer
Group still; no matter work or school; fortunately, I had that support at home; so, I tried
harder with sweat and tears and yes, some blood, at least, to overcome the Struggle and spend
most of my life in relative bliss from what I see around me, at least; but true, I spent about Seven
Years, somewhere from Purgatory to Hell; And nah, through all the Bullying in School in Verbal way;
that didn't really phase me compared to other places that came inherently so for the inner part of the
condition that didn't handle social stress too well; that I personally had no idea how to handle then; but
through trial and error of decades of life then, I totally figured out now for me; as generally speaking, a 'Great
Work of Life' that continues somewhat effortless as fun; but from the outside in; beyond most folks comprehension
who are neither like me or have faced the same adversities and through struggle overcoming them with even higher
levels of thrive. I Have to admit, when I was in the 'Bad place', I felt defective in most every way as Severe Anxiety
and Severe Depression and generally speaking Loss of Emotions naturally brings that Grey sHades to bLack abyss
outlook on life. Now, I Dance and Sing a life that keeps all the Dark at Bay.
Each person as a rather
simple and in effect what can
and will be still a very complex
cliche has to seek and find what
works for them for both survive and
potential thrive. And when they find it,
keep doing it, 'till the last blink of life always
willing to adapt to even more struggle of adversity
And make additional Changes in Practice that work too.
Thing is, all of life is change; And according to the research
below the Social Empathic part of life is not a static concrete
potential of life as it can be developed very much as any intelligence
will when a Dance comes from a Song of life that is Different in Positive
Increasing Ways of Intelligences that may not have been explored before.
I am not the same Human
that those Kids Bullied when
I was in School. I am not the Same
Human that even Adults often made fun
of at Work. What I always have been is a human
who tried and never actually gave up, even when life said die.
The Voice within kept me alive; The Snake of Will who refuses
to die; And the Love for all that is generated now by peace of mind
and body too from head to toe Balance now in a Graceful Dance and Song of
Life that works for me at least. If you Feel Defective, do something different
you like and make that your life. And then, it's very possible that no one will be
able to make your life any less that what you Fruit as a Dream come real as you.
Yes, i realize that's
easier said than
done and even harder
if you are a child like me
who didn't speak until age 4 and
wondered if they would ever be able
to do anything creative beyond a technical
list of facts; including having few words to speak
in Social Situations all the way until a 4th Decade then
of life; thing is; that varied, depending on what I was doing; when
I worked with Computers, I became more like a Computer; and when
I worked with Humans, I became more like a 'Human' in Social Empathic
Intelligence ways of life. Science Definitely shows today that both in part are learned
behaviors now; and learned ways of spoon feeding our Minds and Bodies what we come
to be now. If you can believe in the Science of it; chances are you can make a change too.
But it's true;
the first step
even before the Song
and Dance is believing in
anything at all. It is Meaning
and Purpose in life that makes life
Worth living as Science tends to show too.
And that part is up each individual for what
works; for a survive of life that's more than just surviving;
A Life of
Smiles and
Laughs that's worth
living in the Arms of
Humanity more for those
who are so inclined to live that way more
through practice of Different too that works;
And yes, while before I learned to walk tall with grace
not many people considered me any danger at all. But in metaphor
I have received a few comments that indicate I would be Handful to Handle.
I didn't get in any 'real fights' when i couldn't fight and there is surely
no reason to do
that now that
i am
Proficient
enough in Martial
Arts to strike most anything
in my environment within an
inch of my feet. People used to
say I was Plastic in movement and
Clumsy; now they mostly comment I float
at around 240 LBS as solid Muscle. Yes, back
'in the day' I was the proverbial 5 Foot 10, 120
LB Ectomorphic Wimp with Plenty of Photos that reflect
both versions of the reality of those 'two mes' too. Human
Beings have an Inheritance of DNA just waiting to be epigenetically
unpacked now for incredible change as for price paid in Environmental
Struggle our Ancestors did pay for every day survival. But it's true, if you
don't seek it and find it and practice it you may never gain it or lose it too
if you don't practice what makes you all you can and will be now. Don't Trust
the Averages as they are based on a domesticated spoon-fed life of Humans.
Yes, it is possible
for a Domesticated
Human to Go wild
and even Smarter too
in an Art Life that is truly
amazing now when the fruition
for you too, becomes reality
as Natural Miracles are just waiting
to Sprout out of Genetic Potential in just one lifetime now.
On Average, most folks don't do it; for they are too afraid to
step out of the Box of Society in Group think for the fear of being
outcast now. This is one reason now why an outcast is the one who often
may achieve the most in one lifetime, now, compared to the others who stuck
with the 'norm' of life. It's true, I have those who did and still continue to
attempt to call me defective to thank for all of who am today. The Strength
is in transcending the Naysayers of who you are and you will come to be. I am
not defective;
I am
FucKinFG
Amazing;
And at least
some folks see
that; but it doesn't matter
if anyone does at all for the
outcast who wins is the outcast
who comes to love themselves the most
with Love for all the other truly weak fish
in the Aquarium who just 'think' they are strong as the 'norm' now.
I am no Broken Arrow for I pull the Bow Farther than anyone else who gives up
or doesn't try at all
to be different
from
the norm;
Better yet; yes,
I pull the Bow Different now;
And may not use a bow at all;
As an Archer who always wins;
For I compete against no one now
but the me who is the me in each
now before; no matter who says Can't, in their same way of Doing LiFE.


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23 Mar 2018, 1:48 pm

No, I'm mentally fine, I just struggle with some things. And I'm not a danger to others.


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23 Mar 2018, 6:56 pm

I am not mentally defective, nor am I a danger to others.

I'm not well-trained in handling a gun, though. So I'm reluctant to carry one. It doesn't mean I would "ban" myself from having guns.

I don't believe a person should be banned from owning guns because he/she is Aspergian/Autistic.

If a person has a violent history, that's another story.



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23 Mar 2018, 7:01 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

I don't believe a person should be banned from owning guns because he/she is Aspergian/Autistic.

Yes, I agree with you...
Autism is a syndrome...
Not a mental illness...


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Autistic/scout motto: "Give me a better argument and I will listen..."
"Hate me for who I am...Not for who you think I am..."
You have been weighed...you have been measured...and you have been found wanking...:P
"Honesty is not a social duty, not a sacrifice for the sake of others, but the most profoundly selfish virtue man can practice: his refusal to sacrifice the reality of his own existence to the deluded consciousness of others."
Truth may be inconvenient but it is never politically incorrect...The Oracle of Truth has spoken...8) I'm a rationalist...Deal with it...:mrgreen:


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23 Mar 2018, 7:30 pm

"Do you aspies consider yourself mentally defective?"

Not in the least. Not mentally, not psychologically. I worked with a bunch of shrinks at one point, in a project management capacity. Was told by several of them that my level of insight and predictive ability was almost scary. Not for an aspie - I wasn't diagnosed then. For a standard issue human being. (Here we may insert snide comments about the insight and predictive skills of mental health professionals, if we wish; these guys were pretty damn good, though.)

I do wish gut problems weren't standard issue with this, however. I wonder what I might have accomplished, if I hadn't been dealing with the blasted IBS for my entire working life. Since the most effective Tx available to me back then was sedating, I'd work a standard workday, then come home and fall over, basically. My cats loved that, but nobody else did. And I know a lot of us have dealt or are dealing with similar GI issues.

Thank God for cats...
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23 Mar 2018, 7:34 pm

If being different is a crime, then I plead guilty. I also plead guilty to trying to live what's considered a "normal" life anyways. Like it or not, the world was built and is controlled by neurotypicals, and I'm pretty good at playing their game. I have a driver's license, a degree and a job. I don't consider having some neurological deficiencies a mental defect unless they actually do affect cognition, which they don't. Maybe I'm not exactly like everyone else out there, but who is? "Normal" is just a word that means lacking identity, and I personally believe it's a myth that doesn't actually exist. Everyone I've ever known is a unique individual anyways.



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23 Mar 2018, 7:45 pm

I voted no. At one time I may have said yes. Today I understand that my brain is just wired differently.


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