Majority of Americans Support Free Healthcare

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30 Mar 2018, 2:51 pm

http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-medicare-for-all-public-option-bernie-sanders-plan-support-2018-3

... and yet the US government isn't delivering.

Hmmm... Could it be that America isn't actually a democracy? Isn't a democracy a system in which the government listens to what the people want? If so, why is the government ignoring the desires of 59% of America's population?

How can free healthcare be "anti-American" if most Americans want it? Am I supposed to believe that most Americans hate America and "Americanism"?

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30 Mar 2018, 2:58 pm

Everyone knows America is an oligarchy run by multi-national corporations. The citizens supply labor and consume the products. When they are sick (not laboring) and poor (not consuming) they should die as expediently and quietly as possible. Not supplying healthcare assists in the process.



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30 Mar 2018, 3:01 pm

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30 Mar 2018, 3:05 pm

Yeah, my expensive meds for a chronic condition are free to me now, as I moved out of America. Not sure why that's funny.



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30 Mar 2018, 3:06 pm

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Yeah, my expensive meds for a chronic condition are free to me now, as I moved out of America. Not sure why that's funny.


Someone is paying for it, obviously not you.



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30 Mar 2018, 3:08 pm

The government is providing it as a service, just as they provide roads and schools and police. It's what a caring, responsible society does.



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30 Mar 2018, 3:11 pm

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The government is providing it as a service, just as they provide roads and schools and police. It's what a caring, responsible society does.


At the expense of tax payers.



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30 Mar 2018, 3:19 pm

Yes, what's your point? America is the richest country in the world, and could easily afford to care for its citizens. You prefer to let them die?
Btw, the sticker price of my meds is about 1/2 as much here, because the government isn't supporting the enormous for-profit protection racket that is American health insurance.



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30 Mar 2018, 3:25 pm

Just because a majority wants to steal from the rich doesn’t make it right, does it?


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30 Mar 2018, 3:35 pm

Define "rich" for me. The US has the most money and yet there are poor and homeless people everywhere and but they're treated like they're at fault for their situation and politicians would rather spend all the country's money on war and killing and fighting. Sick people are treated like customers at a grocery store - no wait, actually customers at a grocery store are usually treated better, even when the customers are total jerks - which is strange because I thought a person's health should always come first, and being properly treated and cared for an illness or injury is more important than school or work or anything else. But no, the US doesn't want people to stay home for more than two days even if the person is almost dead because it loses money and that's all.
A country's richness shouldn't just be defined by money alone. It should be defined by the general health, happiness and well-being of the people who live in it. Which means Canada is currently twice as "rich" as the US.



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30 Mar 2018, 3:36 pm

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ust because a majority wants to steal from the rich doesn’t make it right, does it?


Are you trolling, or do you consider yourself a thief every time you drive on public roads?



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30 Mar 2018, 4:35 pm

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Well ... you tax dollars already fund corporate subsidies and the military.

In other words, you have no problem with paying taxes so that the government can kill people or help the super rich.

How is helping the poor pay their medical bills a big stretch?


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30 Mar 2018, 4:39 pm

SH90 wrote:
YippySkippy wrote:
The government is providing it as a service, just as they provide roads and schools and police. It's what a caring, responsible society does.


At the expense of tax payers.


Those poor taxpayers.

Maybe we should have a society with no police, no roads and no military.

Do you know what also costs taxpayer money? Courts. Prisons. Maybe we should just hang everybody accused of a crime without trial.

That would be only slightly more barbaric than letting poor people die of preventable diseases.


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30 Mar 2018, 4:43 pm

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Just because a majority wants to steal from the rich doesn’t make it right, does it?


It's even more wrong when a tiny, privileged minority (which happens to be the most privileged segment of the entire population) steals from the immense majority.

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30 Mar 2018, 6:50 pm

lostonearth35 wrote:
Define "rich" for me.


The top earners? It doesn’t really matter to my point: just because a majority wants to steal from a minority doesn’t make it right, does it?

lostonearth35 wrote:
The US has the most money


Who has it?

lostonearth35 wrote:
and yet there are poor and homeless people everywhere


So they’re not the ones who have all that money.

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and but they're treated like they're at fault for their situation


I was emphatically taught that everything that happens to a person is always their fault and noöne else’s. No exceptions. Denying this is blaming others for one’s own problems and feeling sorry for oneself—completely unacceptable on principle.

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and politicians would rather spend all the country's money on war and killing and fighting.


They should serve the interests of taxpayers. Making sure their country is and stays the biggest, meanest, baddest kid on the block is the best way to guarantee national security.

lostonearth35 wrote:
Sick people are treated like customers at a grocery store - no wait, actually customers at a grocery store are usually treated better, even when the customers are total jerks - which is strange because I thought a person's health should always come first, and being properly treated and cared for an illness or injury is more important than school or work or anything else.


You get what you pay for. If those customers are total jerks and get away with it, it’s because they can afford to be total jerks. They have no reason to behave in any other way.

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But no, the US doesn't want people to stay home for more than two days even if the person is almost dead because it loses money and that's all.


Noöne should be forced to help anyone.

lostonearth35 wrote:
A country's richness shouldn't just be defined by money alone. It should be defined by the general health, happiness and well-being of the people who live in it. Which means Canada is currently twice as "rich" as the US.


Richness should be defined by what people value, and this translates to money—that’s what money is for.

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Are you trolling, or do you consider yourself a thief every time you drive on public roads?


I don’t drive :lol:

But I’m fully aware I’m way, way beyond redemption. This doesn’t make what I’ve said here any less true.

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In other words, you have no problem with paying taxes so that the government can kill people or help the super rich.

How is helping the poor pay their medical bills a big stretch?


Making sure the rest of the world remembers who’s boss benefits all taxpayers. Stealing money from taxpayers to pay the medical bills of those who haven’t earned themselves the money to pay them does not. Simple as that.

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Maybe we should have a society with no police, no roads and no military.


It wouldn’t be a bad idea. Everyone is responsible for defending their own life and property. Those who can’t take that responsibility perish. It’s the law of the jungle.

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Do you know what also costs taxpayer money? Courts. Prisons. Maybe we should just hang everybody accused of a crime without trial.


Or just let people take the law into their own hands.

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That would be only slightly more barbaric than letting poor people die of preventable diseases.


People are free to help them at their own individual expense. If they don’t want to, they shouldn’t be forced.


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30 Mar 2018, 7:20 pm

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I was emphatically taught that everything that happens to a person is always their fault and noöne else’s. No exceptions. Denying this is blaming others for one’s own problems and feeling sorry for oneself—completely unacceptable on principle.


So, in your view, the Jews are responsible for the Holocaust?