[LONG] One Aspie's Work Ethic.
Those of us who understand the real differences between 'rights' and 'privileges' seem to do better in obtaining and keeping jobs than do people who argue that their definitions are the only correct ones.
That was a really good OP - it can take people decades of work experience to learn some of these things.
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"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." Aldous Huxley
When somebody does not have the right to work (for example illegal immigrants, legal residents with limited rights, children) it means they cannot look for/apply for or obtain jobs and companies or private individuals are not allowed to hire them. Still getting a job in these conditions would mean both them and their employer are breaking the law.
When you have the right to work, you are legally permitted to seek employment: so you can search and apply for jobs, use public or private institutions/resources to help you in your search, and employers are legally permitted to hire you, while also being permitted to reject you if you don't have the proper qualifications, they have a better candidate etc. So you are free to look for and obtain employment but nobody can guarantee if or when you'll find it.
Employers have rights too, in this case the right to hire the best qualified person for the job, through whatever legal selection process they deem fit.
TY for explaining it better unlike arrogant and pompous as*hole braggarts in our world who refuse to explain things to those who don't understand and is making efforts to do so. You're a good guy bender. If people explained things to me and broke things down in a logical way instead of a roundabout and vague way I would get it.
It's all good, but to be honest I couldn't quite tell myself if you really didn't understand or you were being argumentative - there's really no need to jump straight to insults over a misunderstanding
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"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." Aldous Huxley
When somebody does not have the right to work (for example illegal immigrants, legal residents with limited rights, children) it means they cannot look for/apply for or obtain jobs and companies or private individuals are not allowed to hire them. Still getting a job in these conditions would mean both them and their employer are breaking the law.
When you have the right to work, you are legally permitted to seek employment: so you can search and apply for jobs, use public or private institutions/resources to help you in your search, and employers are legally permitted to hire you, while also being permitted to reject you if you don't have the proper qualifications, they have a better candidate etc. So you are free to look for and obtain employment but nobody can guarantee if or when you'll find it.
Employers have rights too, in this case the right to hire the best qualified person for the job, through whatever legal selection process they deem fit.
TY for explaining it better unlike arrogant and pompous as*hole braggarts in our world who refuse to explain things to those who don't understand and is making efforts to do so. You're a good guy bender. If people explained things to me and broke things down in a logical way instead of a roundabout and vague way I would get it.
It's all good, but to be honest I couldn't quite tell myself if you really didn't understand or you were being argumentative - there's really no need to jump straight to insults over a misunderstanding
Ok, can you explain please why you couldn't tell if I really didn't understand or were being argumentative? This is news for me.
I just hope that someone will take the things I’ve learned and put them to good use, instead of making the same mistakes I did to learn them.
Had I known 50 years ago what I know now, life would have been easier for me.
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I understand what a right is. What is more accurate to say is that a right doesn't confer anything upon me but is a prohibition on government. When it is said I have the right to freedom of speech what it is really saying is government is not authorized to pass laws that would abridge my freedom of speech. This doesn't mean Alex Plank or the other mods is not authorized ban me and impose rules upon me (they do) for the privilege of being here. Freedom of speech only applies to government not Alex Plank or the mods.
Same with a job. Right to a job means Government is not authorized to prohibit me from going through the process of finding a job nor is it authorized from prohibiting an employer from hiring someone. Only exceptions are children and illegals. But, this doesn't prohibit employers from refusing a job to me or firing me at anytime.
Do you have any tips as to what one can do to adjust to the changes and make the transition smoother for yourself.
1. What if one doesn't understand the orders given?
2. What if the order is illegal or unethical?
3. What if one set of orders given by others contradict another set of orders? Who is right first your boss or the customer?
How am I the single most common factor in all of my successes and failures? How is this so? Do we not live in a society in which others make rules and laws that affect what we do and what choices we do have? If this is truthfully so then why is fraud illegal?
1. Again, what if one doesn't understand the instruction given?
2. What do you consider being civil (i.e. being polite like saying please and thank you) vs being friendly?
3. Is part of civil shaking hands? What if one is a painter and one has paint on his hands? How do you be civil?
What are the things I'm allowed to compliment on? You're giving me the don'ts without the DOs.
All of these are equally important. You cannot just focus on your skillset (for example) and expect your employer to appreciate you when you are rude and surly to co-worker and customer alike. Sooner or later, you will be told to "shape up or ship out" ... or you may be simply sacked and replaced. Remember, while employment is a right, actually being employed is a privilege.
It's all up to you.
No one can be something they're not.
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/disabl.t01.htm
And, if it is all up to me let me ask you this. If you look at the (number of ppl who are disabled who are employed vs those who are employed and not in the labor force) and if you look at the (number of ppl who are not disabled who are employed vs those who are employed and not in the labor force) why on the disabled side the majority of people are not in the labor force and why are those who are not disabled the majority of people are employed?
You said "You are the single most common factor in all of your successes and failures. Accept it, deal with it, and make no excuses for your actions." Based upon these stats how is that so? How do I control my destiny? How am I the captain of my own ship? How am I truthfully responsible for my failures meaning how did I cause my own failures especially if the numbers proved that I have a higher probability I would fail in life since those with any disability have a higher probability of not being in the labor force? If there are other variables that are outside of my control and have influence over what I do, what I think, etc etc then why am I, cubedemon6073 receive all of the responsibility pie?
That's it, in a nutshell!
I just hope that someone will take the things I’ve learned and put them to good use, instead of making the same mistakes I did to learn them.
Had I known 50 years ago what I know now, life would have been easier for me.
I'm just a few years younger.
We obviously have a few experiences in common, maybe the defining one being building a good life a bit later and only after hitting rock bottom and finding out you're all by yourself (in my case no government support, no family etc). I managed to do better after accepting that nobody would care or lift a finger if I dropped dead and my survival and well being will have to be strictly my responsibility.
There's more help available these days, which is a good thing, but things also became more complicated in different ways - I see a lot of young people seemingly lost and discouraged, often not realising that even if our society seems more caring and humane, some harsh realities related to the human condition are still the same and will probably never change.
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"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." Aldous Huxley
This advise is antiquated at best. It fails to take into consideration the fact that in the current millennium employers have zero tolerance for Aspies or any other person who does not match the demographics they are looking for. Decades ago, when I was a manager, I strived to hire the most qualified person for the job. Such things as work ethics and work related criteria mattered. Unfortunately, nowadays human resource decisions are based primarily, if not solely, on the criteria you listed as , " it's best to make no mention of another person's age, color, criminal history, disability, ethnicity, family status, gender identity, genetic characteristics, marital status, nationality, race, religion, sex, and/or sexual orientation. "
The question: "What do I have to do to get and keep a job?" is completely invalid since it is not a question. It is two different questions with two very different answers. Fitting the desired stereotype is the only overlapping job skill for both questions. All of your suggestions should be equally important but in real life they just aren't. Getting the job requires not being a certain age, race, or gender, and not having a particular family status, sex issue, religion or perceived disability - all of which have absolutely nothing to do with whether you are qualified to do the job. Keeping the job requires being mediocre and generic. Doing the job with higher quality and quantity than those around you, will get you fired faster than being lazy or lousy at the work. Failure to exhibit the same hates and personal interests and prejudices as your coworkers or supervisors will get you ousted even faster for "not fitting in."
Federal law requires all employers to ask each applicant their race and gender. In the fine print, it states employment may not be AWARDED based on those criteria but the loophole is employment can and is WITHHELD based on those and other illegal criteria. The disabilities act requires reasonable accommodation for handicapable persons but since the law is routinely ignored by ALL American law enforcement agencies, employers ignore it too, without consequence. As long as the employer makes up a false excuse, instead of telling the truth about why they fired you, they can and will fire you for those illegal reasons. What is the statistic on that? Is it still less than 2% of persons are fired for work related incompetence and 98% for personality conflict because someone doesn't like them for not being like them?
The question: "What do I have to do to get and keep a job?" is completely invalid since it is not a question. It is two different questions with two very different answers. Fitting the desired stereotype is the only overlapping job skill for both questions. All of your suggestions should be equally important but in real life they just aren't. Getting the job requires not being a certain age, race, or gender, and not having a particular family status, sex issue, religion or perceived disability - all of which have absolutely nothing to do with whether you are qualified to do the job. Keeping the job requires being mediocre and generic. Doing the job with higher quality and quantity than those around you, will get you fired faster than being lazy or lousy at the work. Failure to exhibit the same hates and personal interests and prejudices as your coworkers or supervisors will get you ousted even faster for "not fitting in."
Federal law requires all employers to ask each applicant their race and gender. In the fine print, it states employment may not be AWARDED based on those criteria but the loophole is employment can and is WITHHELD based on those and other illegal criteria. The disabilities act requires reasonable accommodation for handicapable persons but since the law is routinely ignored by ALL American law enforcement agencies, employers ignore it too, without consequence. As long as the employer makes up a false excuse, instead of telling the truth about why they fired you, they can and will fire you for those illegal reasons. What is the statistic on that? Is it still less than 2% of persons are fired for work related incompetence and 98% for personality conflict because someone doesn't like them for not being like them?
You are so right about everything you said.
Look at what Richard Branson says.
https://www.rivs.com/blog/why-richard-b ... rsonality/
Since when is it remotely appropriate to assume everyone else is lazier than you? I stopped reading at "magic".
*edit* I kept reading because thinking about Fnord's posts makes it hard to sleep.
It's beneath common decency to presume irrationality in others. FFS I'm not a morning person unless I haven't slept first & I still say good morning. You're saying I should incline others towards depression?
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It's beneath common decency to presume irrationality in others.
My opinion is that in this world all groups will have as*holes. I think this is a universal constant.
"Teamwork" comes in three main types:
A. Everybody on the team performs to the best of their abilities, and everybody on the team shares in the rewards.
B. Everybody on the team works to make the team leader look good, and the team leader shares the rewards as he or she sees fit (if at all).
C. Every member of the team does only that which needs to be done to make himself or herself look good, while the team leader takes all the credit for their successes and denies responsibility for their failures.
Type A teams do consistently well in the long run, Type B teams do exceptionally well for a short time until the team leader gets transferred or promoted, and even though the Type C teams seem to be in constant motion, they never seem to really accomplish anything.
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