Could Trump lose in a Clement Attlee Styled landslide?

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Spooky_Mulder
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15 Jul 2018, 1:47 am

1. They view the "death of the babies" as being sinful - not sex as being sinful. 'Jesus Camp' dives into this a lot. I find it impossible to describe this to anyone overseas - which I find to be a relief - because the right has twisted religion to the point where it's barely recognizable. I once heard a preacher label the right-wing form of Christianity as being akin to Satanism that's how extreme they have become in the states.

2. As an LGBTQ person it is sickening and revolting to think people actually believe Trump is for us because he waved our flag around.

Since he took office:
1) Hired electric shocker Pence as his vice president
2) Hosted numerous anti-lgbtq groups
3) Is on record arguing that federal civil law does not, should not, protect lgbtq workers
http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2017/07/26/trump_administration_argues_federal_law_doesn_t_protect_gay_employees.html
4) Favored the Supreme Court cake case to turn against lgbtq rights
5) Supported and advertised Roy Moore who blames all the wrongs in the countries come from us LGBTQ being able to get married
6) Continues to appoint anti-LGBT judges
7) Has dismantled LGBT-friendly policies
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/19/trump-lgbt-rights-discrimination-353774
8 . ) Has transferred AIDS funds into his insane immigrant hunt
https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/07/11/trump-drains-hivaids-funding-to-pay-for-child-migrant-detention/

So no, you don't get to wave our flag around say "I'm for you" while stabbing us repeatedly in the back. It doesn't work that way.



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15 Jul 2018, 1:56 am

Spooky_Mulder wrote:
1. They view the "death of the babies" as being sinful - not sex as being sinful. 'Jesus Camp' dives into this a lot. I find it impossible to describe this to anyone overseas - which I find to be a relief - because the right has twisted religion to the point where it's barely recognizable. I once heard a preacher label the right-wing form of Christianity as being akin to Satanism that's how extreme they have become in the states.

2. As an LGBTQ person it is sickening and revolting to think people actually believe Trump is for us because he waved our flag around.

Since he took office:
1) Hired electric shocker Pence as his vice president
2) Hosted numerous anti-lgbtq groups
3) Is on record arguing that federal civil law does not, should not, protect lgbtq workers
http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2017/07/26/trump_administration_argues_federal_law_doesn_t_protect_gay_employees.html
4) Favored the Supreme Court cake case to turn against lgbtq rights
5) Supported and advertised Roy Moore who blames all the wrongs in the countries come from us LGBTQ being able to get married

So no, you don't get to wave our flag around say "I'm for you" while stabbing us repeatedly in the back. It doesn't work that way.


Yes they believe murder is a sin and consider abortion to me murder. If I considered abortion be murder then I'd be against it too, I don't because I don't consider a fetus to be a person.

I think he probably hired pence to secure the Christian vote.



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15 Jul 2018, 2:00 am

*sighs, exasperated* just watch 'Jesus Camp' - the whole documentary is literally on the right-wing obsession with abortion being a sin.

Trump did do that to secure the Christian vote, he also continues to take actions agaisnt the lgbt community to cement the Christian vote and support. Most recently he defunded AIDS funding to go into his immigrant hunt.

Here's just one article for you to maybe understand why Christians are drawn to Trump:

http://time.com/5161349/president-trump-white-evangelical-support-slaveholders/

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Eighty percent of white evangelicals voted for and, by and large, continue to support President Trump. To almost everyone else in America, this seems like a fundamental contradiction. But to Trump’s faithful, it is Providence at work in human history. They believe God is making America great again through an imperfect human agent. And like any true believers, they will not be moved.


You can do more research for yourself (there's a lot out there since extremist Christians are one of his most vocal base).

Just ponder this - these people LITERALLY made a CHRISTIAN NARRATIVE MOVIE about Trump being sent to them by God. You can't get any more cult-like Christianity worshipping-an-idol being out in the open than that.

The Republican party is part Confederates who want white superiority and part Christian Extremists, especially today since MANY people quit the Republican party and the GOP (known as the "Never Trumpers") due to how out of hand it's quickly becoming. Former Republican PRESIDENTS are even calling Trump out.

Trump right-wing is NOT normal right-wing. Saying and acting like it is, is actually an insult to the grounded right-wingers who are in the states.



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15 Jul 2018, 2:03 am

Social democracy is not socialism. :wall:



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15 Jul 2018, 2:13 am

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I am not the dictator of the UK but if I could get rid of the NHS I would and replace it with what most capitalist countries have universal healthcare by private companies because that is what has proven to work.

Proven to work where? The US system clearly doesn’t work for most people. It’s nice if you’re rich or manage to be born without any kind of disability or chronic ailment.



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15 Jul 2018, 2:19 am

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The guy on the previous page who claimed Republicans care about freedom because of abolition almost made me spit out my cereal...


It's a new thing the right is running with. Which makes me seriously ask: (1) Are they this twisted in their thinking skills and comprehension, (2) are the doing this to attempt to gaslight?

Republicans forever: "The Confederacy is MY heritage! It wasn't a war about us keeping slaves, it was our state rights!"
Suddenly Republicans out of the blue: "I'm not the Confederacy! We were the ones who fought to end slavery!"

Wait, huh? What?

It's like they expect everyone to forget how they've always viewed it.

That said, their thinking has always been bonkers in this regard: "The Confederacy is MY heritage! We are the party of Lincoln!" Wait, un, what? Lincoln fought the Confederates and the Union states voted him into office, so I have no idea how that one plays out in their heads.

If they are attempting to gas-light, they forgot that we have voting records showing how states leaned back then and still do today. Confederate states still hold fast to this day their same white straight supremacist ideology.

My only hope is Confederates are starting to realize how vile they were in the past - my only hope is from here they can take accountability for their "legacy" that they're disturbingly proud of and work to finally put an end to their Confederate ideology once and for all. But, sadly I think this is more akin to them scream "hoax" and "fake news" to every one of the hate crimes their type perpetuates on a daily basis.



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15 Jul 2018, 2:24 am

NoClearMind53 wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
I am not the dictator of the UK but if I could get rid of the NHS I would and replace it with what most capitalist countries have universal healthcare by private companies because that is what has proven to work.

Proven to work where? The US system clearly doesn’t work for most people. It’s nice if you’re rich or manage to be born without any kind of disability or chronic ailment.


Because the UK and the US are the only two countries in the world?

Neither has the best health systems the ones that do are capitalist countries such as Singapore, New Zealand, Sweden, Luxembourg, Switzerland Etc.



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15 Jul 2018, 2:29 am

Daniel89 wrote:
NoClearMind53 wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
I am not the dictator of the UK but if I could get rid of the NHS I would and replace it with what most capitalist countries have universal healthcare by private companies because that is what has proven to work.

Proven to work where? The US system clearly doesn’t work for most people. It’s nice if you’re rich or manage to be born without any kind of disability or chronic ailment.


Because the UK and the US are the only two countries in the world?

Neither has the best health systems the ones that do are capitalist countries such as Singapore, New Zealand, Sweden, Luxembourg, Switzerland Etc.


Curious about New Zealand being capitalist, I did a search and this was the first thing that popped up.

Statement from their new prime minister:

"Wages are not keeping up with inflation, the cost of housing is outstripping most people's reach," she told The Nation's Lisa Owen.

"What is the point of economic growth when we have some of the worst homelessness in the developed world?"

The Government she's formed with New Zealand First, with support from the Greens on confidence and supply, would be an "active" one when it came to plugging capitalism's holes.

"When you have a market economy, it all comes down to whether or not you acknowledge where the market has failed and where intervention is required. Has it failed our people in recent times? Yes. How can you claim you've been successful when you have growth roughly 3 percent, but you've got the worst homelessness in the developed world?"


'Homelessness proves capitalism is a 'blatant failure' - Jacinda Ardern (Prime Minister)'
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election ... rdern.html

Economically (since my focus is purely civil rights) - the only thing I know is that both Democrats and Republicans have royally failed the people which means we need an option C, and that C isn't a fat cat known for stiffing employees, conning vulnerable people, and running scam universities.