17 Sep 2018, 3:35 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Once again, watch for a moderate from either major political party to surge in 2020. I expect to see former cabinet members and governors having the best chance at winning. Extremists of all stripes will lose spectacularly. It will be "A plague o' both your houses!"
What does 'moderate' mean? I think it is more likely a 'left wing extremist' will take the lead for the Dems.
The Democratic Party lost about a third of its registered voters nationally before, during and after the Obama election of 2008. They simply, quietly, deregistered from the party. I suspect that it was all its moderate members seeking refuge in the (libertarian) Tea Party or elsewhere. The same has happened with the Trump election and a lot of its vanishing members. Because both parties are currently driven by extremists, offering moderate candidates would bring back those moderate voters of both parties who disappeared over the years.
The Tea Party is moderate?
The original five founders of the Tea Party were moderate Libertarians based in Massachusetts who held annual tea dumps in Boston Harbor to remind themselves and their federal government that they and it should embrace liberty as the Founders did. The eventual other Tea Parties were ever increasingly Republican until the RNC finally bought the franchise immediately before Sarah Palin was chosen to serve as the Republican candidate and nominee for vice president. By buying the franchise, the RNC rewarded old school Republicans who, as leaders of the various different Tea Parties, turned out to her campaign stops as probably the largest contingent of the Republican presidential campaign of 2008.
Despite any moderate origins for the Tea Party, it morphed into the Randian/Republican astroturf monstrosity most of us know and loathe today.
Which is why I used the term "moderates" in referring to the transition of the Tea Party (which isn't around anymore, is it?) from moderate Libertarians to angry Trump-supporting Republicans to nonexistence. Both parties need to understand their extremism will make them nonexistent, too.
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17 Sep 2018, 4:49 pm
AspieUtah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Once again, watch for a moderate from either major political party to surge in 2020. I expect to see former cabinet members and governors having the best chance at winning. Extremists of all stripes will lose spectacularly. It will be "A plague o' both your houses!"
What does 'moderate' mean? I think it is more likely a 'left wing extremist' will take the lead for the Dems.
The Democratic Party lost about a third of its registered voters nationally before, during and after the Obama election of 2008. They simply, quietly, deregistered from the party. I suspect that it was all its moderate members seeking refuge in the (libertarian) Tea Party or elsewhere. The same has happened with the Trump election and a lot of its vanishing members. Because both parties are currently driven by extremists, offering moderate candidates would bring back those moderate voters of both parties who disappeared over the years.
The Tea Party is moderate?
The original five founders of the Tea Party were moderate Libertarians based in Massachusetts who held annual tea dumps in Boston Harbor to remind themselves and their federal government that they and it should embrace liberty as the Founders did. The eventual other Tea Parties were ever increasingly Republican until the RNC finally bought the franchise immediately before Sarah Palin was chosen to serve as the Republican candidate and nominee for vice president. By buying the franchise, the RNC rewarded old school Republicans who, as leaders of the various different Tea Parties, turned out to her campaign stops as probably the largest contingent of the Republican presidential campaign of 2008.
Despite any moderate origins for the Tea Party, it morphed into the Randian/Republican astroturf monstrosity most of us know and loathe today.
Which is why I used the term "moderates" in referring to the transition of the Tea Party (which isn't around anymore, is it?) from moderate Libertarians to angry Trump-supporting Republicans to nonexistence. Both parties need to understand their extremism will make them nonexistent, too.
Okay, being an Aspie, humor and sarcasm often go over my head.
21 Sep 2018, 5:46 pm
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23 Sep 2018, 4:32 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
It is Trump's haters who have the obsession with him. It is all they talk about as they can't accept losing an election. They hate democracy unless it goes their way. I just think the left needs to reform and come up with some actual policies. They have nothing. Hopefully Trump gets elected again in 2020.
You don't seem to remember how the right had been obsessed with Obama allegedly not really being an American, or a secret Muslim, when in fact what they were really obsessing over was how he was black. And unlike Trump, there was never any question about the legitimacy of his victory that got him two terms. There was never any thought that Obama had gotten help from our country's enemies.
FAKE NEWS!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !
Jk, but that is always their reply.
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23 Sep 2018, 8:05 pm
Spooky_Mulder wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
It is Trump's haters who have the obsession with him. It is all they talk about as they can't accept losing an election. They hate democracy unless it goes their way. I just think the left needs to reform and come up with some actual policies. They have nothing. Hopefully Trump gets elected again in 2020.
You don't seem to remember how the right had been obsessed with Obama allegedly not really being an American, or a secret Muslim, when in fact what they were really obsessing over was how he was black. And unlike Trump, there was never any question about the legitimacy of his victory that got him two terms. There was never any thought that Obama had gotten help from our country's enemies.
FAKE NEWS!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Jk, but that is always their reply.
It is their only response. I don't know what they'll say or do after Trump is gone, other than to think that he's immortal, or that he will rise from the dead and will return in secret before ushering in a new thousand years of paradise on earth.
26 Sep 2018, 5:09 pm
26 Sep 2018, 5:12 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Spooky_Mulder wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
It is Trump's haters who have the obsession with him. It is all they talk about as they can't accept losing an election. They hate democracy unless it goes their way. I just think the left needs to reform and come up with some actual policies. They have nothing. Hopefully Trump gets elected again in 2020.
You don't seem to remember how the right had been obsessed with Obama allegedly not really being an American, or a secret Muslim, when in fact what they were really obsessing over was how he was black. And unlike Trump, there was never any question about the legitimacy of his victory that got him two terms. There was never any thought that Obama had gotten help from our country's enemies.
FAKE NEWS!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Jk, but that is always their reply.
It is their only response. I don't know what they'll say or do after Trump is gone, other than to think that he's immortal, or that he will rise from the dead and will return in secret before ushering in a new thousand years of paradise on earth.
They'll start a cult. No doubt about it. No way is Trump going to give up having that many people worshipping him, he's gonna pull an L. Ron Hubbard.
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26 Sep 2018, 6:00 pm
Spooky_Mulder wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Spooky_Mulder wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
It is Trump's haters who have the obsession with him. It is all they talk about as they can't accept losing an election. They hate democracy unless it goes their way. I just think the left needs to reform and come up with some actual policies. They have nothing. Hopefully Trump gets elected again in 2020.
You don't seem to remember how the right had been obsessed with Obama allegedly not really being an American, or a secret Muslim, when in fact what they were really obsessing over was how he was black. And unlike Trump, there was never any question about the legitimacy of his victory that got him two terms. There was never any thought that Obama had gotten help from our country's enemies.
FAKE NEWS!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Jk, but that is always their reply.
It is their only response. I don't know what they'll say or do after Trump is gone, other than to think that he's immortal, or that he will rise from the dead and will return in secret before ushering in a new thousand years of paradise on earth.
They'll start a cult. No doubt about it. No way is Trump going to give up having that many people worshipping him, he's gonna pull an L. Ron Hubbard.
God help us.
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