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11 Sep 2018, 7:47 pm

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I don’t allow myself to fantasize about women besides desire To be with them romantically.
I feel it’s disrespectful to do so.
Only a few times have I failed not to do so and feel guilty I did :(

I go home and fantasize to women who post their pictures and like men thinking of them.
That way I’m being respectful.
I don’t fantasize about romantic partners until I’ve been able to ask them if it’s ok.


Other people’s bodies are theirs; your head is yours. The only disrespectful thing here would be for others to try to dictate what you can and what you cannot fantasize about. Don’t let them.

If a woman can’t handle the fact that I’d like to have sex with her, she’s not my friend.


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11 Sep 2018, 8:19 pm

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Sorry, I did read that at the time but forgot to go back and answer you. I only have a son, no daughters. No sisters either, just older brothers. I always tried to remember what my life was like at the same age as my son. I encouraged him to try and have a group of friends. I never did and when my one friend was away I couldn’t function. I didn’t want that for him. I was a single parent and found it a bit awkward talking about different aspects of sex with him, but I tried. I expected that he would want to experiment as a teen and made sure he took responsibility for birth control. I would have done the same with a daughter I think. I’m pretty open minded, but still kind of conservative. I never would have approved of teenaged “sleepovers “.


Thanks. I’m curious about that, because I think I’ve always been powerless, for one reason or another, to do anything to experience those parts of life. My parents didn’t take any specific measures to stop me; my social isolation, and probably my unpopularity and my growing immaturity compared with my peers, were enough. That’s why it makes me very anxious that most parents seem to agree that the longer those experiences are put off, the better, unconditionally, and many apparently strive, in fact, to prevent their children from getting the very experiences that helped them mature.

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And sorry to ask you such a personal question as above, but I’ve not (knowingly) encountered someone with such intense thoughts.


Don’t worry. I think the only intense thing is that I expressed them verbally. People usually freak out when I verbalize things they otherwise deem normal.

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Are you saying that you want to do that to every woman you meet, except the physically hideous ones?


Mostly yes. I like women a lot; can you tell? :heart: But bear in mind that’s what I want before I know anything about them. If they look mean, I discard those thoughts immediately. Same if I know they’re in a relationship. Same if I actually interact with them in any way and it turns out we don’t get along; etc.

Barring those obstacles, women still look like magical creatures to me, and I don’t see any reason to force myself to see them otherwise.


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11 Sep 2018, 8:29 pm

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But the meeting of our personalities (souls?) was the primary relationship. Friendship. And at times I’ve had “friends with benefits “. Friends first, and friends when it ended.


That’s what I was getting at before. As long as neither of you is in a committed relationship with anyone else, why can’t the terms of the friendship be simply “We do whatever we both want, period”?


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11 Sep 2018, 8:32 pm

Brevity is dead


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12 Sep 2018, 3:27 am

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In my late teens travelling around Asia I had an onslaught of masturbating men following me (literally, it happened at least 5 times). It actually continued once I got back to Europe, on buses everywhere.... Nothing I did seemed to stop this wave of male attention. Once, I lived in Cairo I had adopted a wholly different attitude. A fast pace, lack of eye contact, evasive body movements, I had it sorted, I got very little harassment. I made a conscious decision to desexualise myself in public space.

I interviewed a civil rights leader who also happened to be a feminist niquab wearing young woman. We spoke about an example of whether to wear niquab in front of a blind man. We agreed that wearing the niquab has very little to do with 'who' sees you but how you carry yourself.


Egypt is one of the worst places in the world when it comes to sexual harassment, and their government don't seem to even admit the problem.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/07/ ... 50361.html

She's out now btw.



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12 Sep 2018, 3:40 am

I don't get the erection in public whole thing, but maybe I am not high in testosterone enough - I thought only young adults have this ability? At my current age I don't get erection unless I am doing something sexual with someone or deeply fantasizing in the right setting, or morning wood - otherwise I don't get aroused just visually ie. by just seeing an attractive girl in public; yes, I will think she is attractive but not to the point of getting an unwanted erection.



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12 Sep 2018, 3:47 am

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Yes I can control it. I can stop the process and go and do something else. I turn my mind to other thoughts. Sorry it took a while to work out that's what you were asking. I thought that everyone could do that. :scratch: The idea of not being able to stop the process never occurred to me.


I'd like to comment on this, just in case you might get the impression that all men are the way one person represents himself here:

I don't know about "everybody", but yes, men can do that too. Erections, either involuntary or triggered by sexual thoughts go away if you deliberately concentrate your mind on other things. It has nothing to do with age or level or "horniness" - I'm just teaching my teenage son these days how to avoid embarrassing himself at the pool and generally in public. Most men will know what I'm talking about.

Also, men (with some exceptions it seems) don't automatically get erections or slip into detailed sexual fantasies when they hug a female friend, even an attractive one.

While men are sexual beings and can be very visual, we also have self control and the ability to relate and interact with (attractive) women in a non-sexual way. And plenty of us manage to have meaningful friendships or professional relationships with women without lusting over them.


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12 Sep 2018, 6:47 am

Strawman away :roll:


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12 Sep 2018, 6:54 am

Congratulations. You defeated the Metastrawman.


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12 Sep 2018, 11:02 am

What do you mean?


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12 Sep 2018, 11:55 am

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I remember one time when me and my best friend at the time were squished into a single dorm bed and he was tickling me and we were messing about and he started biting my neck. When I told him to stop he said "don't you like it?" and I said " that's not the problem, I like it too much" he teased me about it after but it was just not a line I was willing to cross with him.


I think that’d be pretty frustrating to me. Nowadays, I’ve kind of learned to shut up and not ask people why (it wasn’t easy, because I always needed to be ready to explain to my parents, and, by extension, to anyone, why I did or did not do, think or feel anything), but a few years ago, I’d probably make a big nuisance of myself asking you why you don’t want to do something with me that you like too much. Today, I’d still want to know the answer, but I’d silently accept I won’t get it and lose interest in being so close to you.


It was fairly frustrating but there was a pretty good rationale in my head. I wasn't brave enough to be in a relationship with him. I didn't like myself enough or care well enough for myself back then. I was with someone else instead. Someone I was avoiding by hiding in my best friend's bedroom all night every night. If we would have been together it would have been epic and very tumultuous and I just wasn't ready for that.


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12 Sep 2018, 12:05 pm

[quote="Spiderpig"]If people have a way to make you uncomfortable for their mistakes, they’ll often use it. Apparently, there are universal ways for men to make women uncomfortable. I tend to be oblivious to them, because I usually forget life is a game of chess, and also tend to think that the woman’s desirability to me confers her a moral high ground I can’t take away by abusing her.[quote]

Thing is I found the salesman example far more more destabilising than the masturbating men. The masturbating men were pretty clear cut. The salesman example is like my driving instructor who once commented that I was a road hazard by just driving as men were staring at me and not the road. Those kind of comments that are somehow meant to be flattering are extremely unsettling to me as I don't like that kind of ambiguity. What are you meant to say, smile sweetly and say 'thanks' whilst you are dying inside?


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12 Sep 2018, 12:16 pm

I guess you already know you're supposed to understand perfectly what they mean, and the dying inside is the punishment you get for lacking that innate ability.


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12 Sep 2018, 12:34 pm

Spiderpig wrote:
I guess you already know you're supposed to understand perfectly what they mean, and the dying inside is the punishment you get for lacking that innate ability.


Can you explain what you mean? I am confused. These things always trouble me.

Like recently I was in the states and filling up at the gas station and my pump wasn't working and this man handed me his pump and said to fill up on him... Why would he do that? What does it mean, what does he want? I really don't get it. What is the scenario he is hoping will happen? Or do people just go around giving away petrol?

If I am guarded in these scenarios I feel like I am being vain as I take it they are approaching me because they find me attactive but if I am not guarded I fear I am being naive. Recently, in moments of self-doubt, I have even wondered if all my male friends through the ages were only friends with me because they thought it would eventually lead to something more which would make me feel rather sad. Although if I am honest with myself I do actually know that is not true as there is plenty of evidence to the contrary.

But recently a female acquaintance said the mums in the playground felt threatened by me as I am attractive. Once again, I am left gobsmacked. Of all the reasons I feel I don't get on with and find it easy to chat with the mums in the playground this would be at the bottom of my list. I myself would never even pay attention to someone's appearance. And they are all dolled up and I am not. So, is this just something she said or do women actually make those kind of odd decisions.

Wow, really pouring out all my insecurities in one place tonight.

Better go to bed now. :(


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12 Sep 2018, 3:33 pm

Elsapelsa.

It's true that attractive women don't always get treated very nicely by other women but I would question why this

acquaintance felt the need to tell you the other women felt threatened by you. It sounds to me as if she is the one

who feels threatened. As for finding the other comments uncomfortable, they are basically accusing you of being

responsible for other people's behavour. If I trip over in the road because I'm watching someone else eat a cake

instead of where I'm going, it's because I'm a greedy piggy, it's not the cake's fault for being all yummy. The lack of

originality is pretty cringeworthy too.



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12 Sep 2018, 5:49 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
I don't get the erection in public whole thing, but maybe I am not high in testosterone enough - I thought only young adults have this ability? At my current age I don't get erection unless I am doing something sexual with someone or deeply fantasizing in the right setting, or morning wood - otherwise I don't get aroused just visually ie. by just seeing an attractive girl in public; yes, I will think she is attractive but not to the point of getting an unwanted erection.


I have a high sex drive and get easily turned on. So like when I’m texting a woman I like I get errections. Some enjoyed being able to do it, however I doubt a friend would like it.
As for seeing women it doesn’t happen all the time but it does happen.
My original point was that if I had a female friend in person who hugged, touched or cuddled me I’d get an errection, some conversations could probably cause it too.