Intro to Neoconservatism

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Interesting analysis. Forty minutes of Trudiltom analyzing what neoconservatism is and how, really as a left-liberal movement, it struck it's differences with more classical Marxist views and drifted rightward.

...Back when GWBush was Prez, he was well supposed be a " neoconservative ", "neocon ", anywayregd
This seemed rather different from Jeanie Kirkpatrick, or one-time registered Democrat " Henry Kiss-Of-Death " , or this writer & editor. Norman Pohderehtz (Sp.?), all I believe more what your guy likely talking about.
Oh well - " Populist " used to mean, back when there was a gold standard, people who wanted silver to be interchangeable with gold and Old Grandma Somebody saying people should raise less, wheat and more hell!

The term "neoconservative" was a creation of the political left specifically to use as an epithet. It's nothing more than the left trying to paint people with an over-broad negative brush. It's the left trying to smear something they simply don't understand.

...Well, I think some, anyway, of that Kirkpatrick/Pohderehtz generation adopted it anyhow! .

So what is it exactly you're advocating here? Are you suggesting taking up arms? Reported.

The vlogger in question is technically alt-right so if he was criticizing them it would actually be from the other direction. Nonetheless he seems to do his homework on things and practice good analytics on wide range of topics, I tend to just pass on his pro-monarchism videos, much like Stefan Molyneux's anarchism I just don't get it.

Both terms are fungable. The definitions depend largely on who's using them, and even then those definitions change. To me using either term is simply one side coming up with new terms to curse the other side. Folks can come up with whatever faculty lounge arguments they want to support their opinions, but in the end they are just opinions. Kinda like defining the shape of jello. As someone who is constantly and inaccurately labeled I find it offensive. Nothing against you, I disagree with the author.

In this video he's talking mostly about Irving Kristol, Leo Strauss, Ignazio Silone, and brings up Maimonides late in the video. I remember from John Ralson Saul's Voltaire's Bastards quite a bit on Irving Kristol so a certain amount of this isn't new to me.

That seems to be true of neoconservatism in that Michael Harrington came up with the term. Alt-right on the other hand is a little bit trickier in that a particular guy on the alt-right coined it, just that I don't know what kind of grievance he might have with people who aren't both white identitarian and democratic socialist using it (such as the stoics and monarchists).


You watched it then I take it?

Some of it. Started feeling my stress rise to uncomfortable levels with the assumtions made and shut it down.

Zero tolerance for nazism. Reporting your report.

...Yes, Irving Kristol was somebody I was thinking of, I just couldn't think of his name.
During GWBush's time need were seen as pitted against " paleoconservatives " - who rather mutated into Trumpets conservatives, while some of the old neocon internationalists are speaking of voting Democratic in 2020 - for a Bloomberg/shoulf-I-say+Hillary?? - style international just/big banks-style Dimmy/" Third Way ' relic.
I do believe that "Ed Did It..." graphic was an American?? WWII poster, ya knoe !

Some of it. Started feeling my stress rise to uncomfortable levels with the assumtions made and shut it down.[/quote]
Here's how I might have looked at it differently:

The Greek philosophy point he made, ie. Strauss borrowing from Plato the idea that there are esoteric and profane truths - to some extent I do agree with that. There are some truths that just about killed me so I get where with a populace of 100 average IQ they can't know everything. There's a self-sorting mechanism on that, ie. that people seem equally allergic to information that they'd deem recondite.

The other idea presented was that a lot of neoconservatives were former leftists who came away with the idea that you couldn't overthrow structures or cultural history and that you had to harness them to form a broader cultural metaphysic to give people something to aim for - that seems to be a very true statement and we're watching things unravel for the lack of that.

His bringing up Maimonides at the end as being cynical about human nature and the idea that the system was something of a philosophy of pragmatic Jewish nihilism, a 'believe x and things will function smoother' as well as implementing certain forms of knowledge hierarchy just seemed to give a nod to where it was potentially taken from. Where I tend to disagree with the alt-right, a group of people with a history of being chased all over Europe and the middle east with 115 IQ on average who comprise most of the Nobel laureates - it stands to reason that they don't come up with systems frivolously.

I don't know if it would encourage, discourage, or either to tell you that maybe ten years ago I was listening to Dennis Prager, Michael Medved, etc. pretty religiously at work, my parents would self-describe as neoconservative, just that over time I really got the impression that there was more to things and over the last ten years I've drifted more in the IDW direction. Looking back I think some really naive mistakes were made in foreign policy, ie. the idea that countries in the middle east were western democracies just waiting to happen if the despot/dictator could be removed and it seems like both neoconservatives and neoliberals shared that delusion as people like Hillary Clinton were just as hawkish as John McCain et al.. I'm still not sure where I'm at on globalism, it's probably for the best if we can take as many countries out of poverty as possible but we also really want to avoid things getting bad enough in the first world that we have revolution - and we're in something of a sandwich from that perspective between outsourcing on one side and automation on the other.

..." IDW " is?? Intelligent Disco Windowwipers??

It's the Nazis who seem more likely to take up arms, what with their obsession with guns and all.

Though I believe the image was a metaphor. "Beat", in this case meaning, "demolish the ideology".