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30 Sep 2018, 12:43 pm

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Claiming victimhood to rape (at least for women) seems to be a new sort of papal infallability - and in this case, considering the utility of her testimony, it doesn't seem to be of any concern that her best friend says it never happened

When and where did her best friend claim "It never happened"?



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30 Sep 2018, 1:10 pm

The Rhode Island story of Kavanaugh is false.

RI man apologizes for claiming Kavanaugh sexually assaulted woman on boat in Newport
https://turnto10.com/news/local/kavanau ... ri-in-1985


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30 Sep 2018, 2:54 pm

The whole event was a sham.

I was molested by other students in 6th grade. I’ve also been falsely accused and had consequences inflicted without any investigation or verification of the acts alleged.

So, I get both sides of this.

Dr. Ford looked credible, but she clearly was prepped for her day before the committee and had two attorneys jumping in to defend her whenever she looked like she might trip up. In no way was she scrutinized by either side to test if she was being truthful or making things up. So, I believe she could just be faking it. Some women have and do make false allegations of rape, domestic abuse and child abuse to inflict harm on the man they hate (seen most in divorce and custody battles). So, any “victim” must be able to provide evidence or witnesses that corroborates the allegations.

For as much as it’s possible that Judge Kavanaugh did assault her as a teen, nothing supports that conclusion, and indeed his entire adult life stands in stark contrast. It would be a shock to learn of a Dr. Jeckel so capable of concealing his Mr. Hyde.

Worst of all is that the whole process has nothing to do with getting to the truth. Both were despicably used by the process for political ends. There was no need for this to be a public spectacle. If Dr. Ford is simply mistaken or unable to establish proof of her claims, there is no need to put her and her family through all of this. If Judge Kavanaugh is guilty, it could have been established in private and he could have withdrawn from the nomination without ruining the legacy of his life’s work or subjecting his family to the public humiliation.

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30 Sep 2018, 6:13 pm

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techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Claiming victimhood to rape (at least for women) seems to be a new sort of papal infallability - and in this case, considering the utility of her testimony, it doesn't seem to be of any concern that her best friend says it never happened

When and where did her best friend claim "It never happened"?


Leland Ingham Keyser and Patrick “P.J.” Smyth were the non-hostile witnesses (Kavanaugh and Judge being the hostile witnesses), which tallies the only four people said to be at the party to comment.

Research this one further if you like, this particular detail is at bullet point three:
https://nypost.com/2018/09/25/eight-big ... rds-story/

Please don't take New York Post as the only source, feel free to research this one to your full satisfaction.

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Which completely misses the point. It will have a very negative impact on women in the workplace, possibly even rolling back a few decades of rights achievements as men in power see them as a major risk exposure, particularly when no one knows what a psychopath looks like other than at times the sort of highly competant business professional you'd want to hire.


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30 Sep 2018, 6:15 pm

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The more recent update from CNN - her friend doesn't remember but is willing to help with the FBI investigation:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/29/politics ... index.html


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30 Sep 2018, 7:22 pm

I'm already starting to see memes on Facebook that Kavanaugh's a deep state agent and that conservatives should drop him for that (hot potato!).

I'm really thinking nicknaming the Kavanaugh/Ford conflict 'The Elephant's Foot' would be appropriate right now, that's pretty much what it's become and it might need just as big a cement sarcophagus built around it.


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30 Sep 2018, 9:30 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
RushKing wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Claiming victimhood to rape (at least for women) seems to be a new sort of papal infallability - and in this case, considering the utility of her testimony, it doesn't seem to be of any concern that her best friend says it never happened

When and where did her best friend claim "It never happened"?


Leland Ingham Keyser and Patrick “P.J.” Smyth were the non-hostile witnesses (Kavanaugh and Judge being the hostile witnesses), which tallies the only four people said to be at the party to comment.

Research this one further if you like, this particular detail is at bullet point three:
https://nypost.com/2018/09/25/eight-big ... rds-story/

Please don't take New York Post as the only source, feel free to research this one to your full satisfaction.

So as far as we know, she didn't say "it never happened". You made it sound as if she was at this party and confirmed that it didn't happen. Be careful with your choice of words next time.
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Which completely misses the point. It will have a very negative impact on women in the workplace, possibly even rolling back a few decades of rights achievements as men in power see them as a major risk exposure, particularly when no one knows what a psychopath looks like other than at times the sort of highly competant business professional you'd want to hire.

Do you agree that this fear of false rape accusations is unfounded and irrational? If you do; lets not contribute to it.



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30 Sep 2018, 9:50 pm

Statistically speaking there is at the very least, a 90% chance Ford is telling the truth.



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30 Sep 2018, 10:02 pm

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So as far as we know, she didn't say "it never happened". You made it sound as if she was at this party and confirmed that it didn't happen. Be careful with your choice of words next time.

Fair enough.

At the same time though - a particular point stands that this is coming out without a foundation anywhere near solid as people seem to be projecting it to be. These things would be big problems in any sort of civil case and they're really ugly in a media and public interest frenzy.


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Do you agree that this fear of false rape accusations is unfounded and irrational? If you do; lets not contribute to it.

I'd actually have to say that I don't think this question's well thought through, or at least I think brow-beating is a really poor choice of strategy and guaranteed to backfire.

The question is whether male professionals, often with wives and kids, often times trying to set aside money for their children's private education and college, will want to play a dice game where there's anywhere from a 0.25% change and a 0.5% chance of permanent ruin. If the guy's a relatively low-level manager with low public visibility the odds are lower, if he's high-status and well off the odds are a lot higher.

We're setting a precedent right now for guys to have the image in their minds that the mainstream media and social media could make a circus, tear them limb from limb, and leave them in a pile of rubble before it actually sees due process. That all of this is only likely to ever happen to a conservative-leaning SCOTUS nominee under Trump so such a degree isn't really the point, it hits almost every major alarm center of most successful men. It's a very visceral drama.

In that sense I don't think it's delusional, crazy, or beyond the pale at all. If it's irrational its only irrational up to the point that almost everything we do as human beings is irrational, and I'd add its not a problem that would ever be solved by scolding or belittling high-level professional men who don't want to mentor women for this reason because there's too much credible instinct behind this sort of self-protection (remember - you don't have to live their life or the consequences of bad advice, they do).

Brow-beating these guys and telling them they're conspiracy nutters, irrational, deplorable, etc. won't help at all because you're taking what they know to be a known gamble, one where they have everything to lose and little to gain, and simply attempting to brow-beat them into behaving the way you want them to behave. That's where I think shaming would break down, backfire, and make these guys start reaching out to each other wondering if the workplace actually needs to be more gender-divided.


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30 Sep 2018, 10:04 pm

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Statistically speaking there is at the very least, a 90% chance Ford is telling the truth.

What sort of atmospheric gauge did you determine that with?

I think a pendulum or dowsing would probably yield more accurate results because if it were wrong it at least couldn't err by greater than 50%.


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30 Sep 2018, 10:09 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
We're setting a precedent right now for guys to have the image in their minds that the mainstream media and social media could make a circus, tear them limb from limb, and leave them in a pile of rubble before it actually sees due process. That all of this is only likely to ever happen to a conservative-leaning SCOTUS nominee under Trump so such a degree isn't really the point, it hits almost every major alarm center of most successful men. It's a very visceral drama.

I'll add a clarifier quickly to this: I don't think this particular instance, completely on its own, is guaranteed to completely change gender dynamics in the workforce next week, I just mean that we absolutely have to greatly lower the public spectacle machine somehow. If we keep things up at this rate there's a really good likelihood that the problem will get worse and quite likely worse things than men not wanting to work with women will happen in the interim like enough chaos in the economic system to have a lot of negative impact on people's choices to go into business or not go into business and all kinds of other things that would jam the machinery.


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30 Sep 2018, 10:19 pm

Also on percent guessing games:

This is how bad the situation is. Christina Blasey Ford doesn't remember where it was, doesn't remember how she got home. If Brett Kavanaugh and Mark Judge were the guys they were off their faces drunk, so drunk that they sincerely might not remember. Any non-perpetrator and non-victim people on the scene didn't know about it and the odds of them forgetting a rape if they'd heard about it are really low unless medical brain-damage occurred sometime later.

It's quite possible that no one supposedly involved really knows or remembers.

If that's ultimately the case it's not 60% odds, not 30%, not 80% - it's a black box.


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30 Sep 2018, 10:50 pm

This suggests that expert investigators still could drill into this a lot farther and that there are more records that could be checked, Caleb also makes a brief remark on how completely different investigation in the formal sense is from anything we saw in the hearing.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ut/571603/


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01 Oct 2018, 1:11 pm

The Scientific Literature is Clear that in Cases of Trauma as 'Doctor Ford' Cleary Brought Forth as a Research
Psychologist That yes, Stress Related Neurohormones Like Noradrenalin and Cortisol Cement Traumatic Memories
in the Hippocampus for Long Term Memories that Do Not go away and are a Source of Many Problems Associated
With Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome as those Memories do linger Long Term. And the Scientific Literature and
Research on this Phenomenon also makes it clear that Associated Memories Like Time or Place may Fade out
of Long Term Memory View; along with Other Details too, like who was all at 'the Party' and who left and stayed.

At this Point there is no Evidence that Ms. Ford Lied but yes, there is evidence that Mr. Kavanaugh Lied to Protect
the Straight A 'Catholic Altar Boy Persona' he invented earlier in the Week on Fox News. A "Devil's Triangle" has never
Been a Drinking Game and it doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to Research that Quick on Google to Figure out it is A
MMF Threesome as Ms. Ford related that the Two Under Age Boys seemed to Be Attempting with her but too Drunk
as the Second Boy Fell 'off the pile'.

A True Devil's Advocate of this Story is Alcohol Abuse that comes with the Glorification of Alcohol Consumption
as that relates to Catholic High School Prep Schools as well, then, allowing the 'Boys with the Silver Spoons' to have all
their Free Ways of 'Alcohol Culture' and 'Rapey Culture' Clear to Be Advertised for all to see in the Prep-School Year Book
Annual too; 'Piled on' Even Higher and Deeper in 'PHD' ways too as Metaphor and Dry Humor Here now For More Focus.

I found it Interesting Yesterday at Catholic Church that I continue to Regularly Attend as a Participant Anthropologist
Observer there too that While the Catholic Church is currently emBroiLed in a Rotten Gehenna Dump of Years as a Culture Protecting Pedophile Priests who Rape Little Children named this whole Court Case, including the Bill Cosby Case, as a Gehenna Dump as Garbage to be thrown out; with some Conspiracy Theory Flavored Innuendo about Hidden Agendas too.

But instead of identifying the Real Source of Addiction where Science Shows that Abuse of Alcohol and other External
Substance Drugs of Abuse are a Core Issue in Crime and Violent Crime in Particular as instead of Blaming the
Glorification of Alcohol he moved the Blame to Porn in General as Destroying the 'Sweet Spots of Life' in
my Words here of making that an other wise Gehenna Dump with Moving Pictures of Folks Having Sex and
the Such as that as his Perceived 'Garbage of Life', Missing the 800LB Bottle of Beer and Wine in the Room.

Addiction is a Disease that Happens and Alcohol Abuse is an activity that leads to an even more Irrational
Human Being out of Control from Mastering the Shadow Sides of Lust and Aggression. And no, of course
this does not apply to Males alone as I've met Women who are just as Libido Filled as the Male Gender with
a Heat Seeking Missile as such just one to receive in that Case as what Happens when our Shadow Side of
Aggression and Lust is in control. And yes, even at age 58, I've Been at the Very Aggressive Receiving
End of College Age Women and their Bootie Dances using me as some kind of a Masturbatory Tool
Per my Dancing Legs and Other Body Parts too; Additionally, their Friends Have VideoTaped it
to Share on Social Media too as there isn't much off limits amount the Younger Partying
Generation of College Age Folks now either.

Thing is; No one is getting close to Raped where i go Dance and Folks look out for Each other as Women come
to the Party in Groups. But yes, Women are continuing to Get Abused and Raped in our Culture in Substantial
Numbers as That usually comes in Private with Acquaintances, Close Friends; or Even Boy Friends and of Course
Family Members and Friends of Family Members too who get Private Enough Access to attempt to Force their
Sexual Associated Will on others.

I've seen Older Obese Men Groping at Young Women Co-Employee Breasts in the Work-Placed with no Shame
in Front of Witnesses as it was almost a Given then that A Young Woman had to tolerate it and the fact of the
Matter is, if I reported it to Much Higher Authorities it would have made no difference as the Female Employee Put up with it as the Standard Operating Procedure then. The Majority of Women I have known in my Lifetime intimately Have been
Sexually Abused in some unwanted way by Males in Non-Consensual Wanted ways. And Usually there is some Power
Play involved of you tell and things are gonna be worse for you even if you witness and tell about it too.

Anyway, one thing for Sure as I've been to Drinking Parties where Older so-called Respectable Men Get Drunk
And try to Force Kisses on Women Decades their Junior and close to High school Age is Respect Means Respect
in the Real Flesh and Blood World and that does apply to both the Male and or Female Genders too. Add in the
Alcohol as a Shadow Ingredient and that Shadow will get out of Control as Science Shows and noted Before;
our Neo-Cortical Mind Plays a First and Foremost Role as Serving our Limbic and Snake Brains as that
is associated with Complex Emotions and Senses and Base Aggression and Lust Serving Reproductive
Needs and Fight or Flight Experiences to Capture Prey and Escape Predator at core too; we are still
Evolved to Remember this Long term as to not repeat the Fight or Flight Mistake risking our Survival.

I'm in Control Baby as smooth as a Slithering Snake that and who is Fully Satisfied in a Golden Spiral
Dance that says no one will control my Emotions/Senses now; Could Take 10,000 Miles of Public Dance
to Master the Shadow Side in 5 Years of doing that like me, Enhancing the Joy of Complex Emotions Within
but Science Proves it works now with no doubt better in Moving Meditation than any External Substance Drug
as Additive as that also Potentially Leads to Substance Addictions now too

And again, as Stated Earlier when the Shadow Side and Emotions and Senses
are under Control, the Neo-Cortex is Free to Roam both Arts and Sciences more
with even Added Support as that rises in Subconscious Artful Ways of Human Potential Creativity even more;

Mean While, Folks Are Popping Open A Beer Can For Charge Away from Subsistence Means in Other Wise Resources too.

I Dance For Free and the Places i go Within are truly Heaven now beyond any External Substance Drug on the Market or in Clear View for Supreme Court Justice nominees attempting to get a Job while they rave on all about the Glorious Alcohol Culture that Brings the Highest of Folks Down And overall Human Potential too for all of what Human Can and Will do now when the Neo-Cortex is Free to Do More than be a Slave to 'the Shadow' Now as one who has never initiated a Practice of Life to Master that Shadow to Serve you when you need it most; yes, in Actual Reproduction And Or A Fight or Flight For Life to Save one's Life in all the Ways that still comes For Real too. Getting Truly Civilized and smART is a Within Inside Game First as the Body Most Definitely Keeps Score for Real Finding Practices of Life in Arts and Sciences That Work.

MeanWhile, I Dance on and no I am not 'the' Batman'; Just 'A' Batman now; hAha. Anyway, the Women Love it
as i Dam sure don't have to Force myself on any Woman and Never Have. I guess I'm Lucky that way too born from
A Mother of Love and Bred that Way as a Bread and Water of Life as Love; Instead of Abuse and Neglect too as that Destroys Everything From Childhood to Beyond in Human Ways of Love; that too, Perhaps may be Rebuilt, Reborn and or
Born For A First Time as Love Now as Epigenetics Will Bring Almost Any Human Potential Shared With Enough Work, Now.

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01 Oct 2018, 11:20 pm

The people who were there don't even remember what party she was talking about and it will be interesting to see whether they can even remember jointly any party where Christine suddenly left without telling anyone (that sort of ditching usually sticks in your head as a time when close friends flaked on you).

This leaves everyone way over their skis whose eyed this up, smell-tested, and claimed anything close to certainty.


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