Would you like to get rid of the ASD?

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Would you like to get rid of the ASD?
I would like to get rid of it 28%  28%  [ 12 ]
I'm afraid of new problems if doing so 9%  9%  [ 4 ]
I'm feeling special and don't want to change me 5%  5%  [ 2 ]
I refuse any adaption to NTs 5%  5%  [ 2 ]
It's impossible and I wouldn't wast any time on it 9%  9%  [ 4 ]
I just like me as I am 44%  44%  [ 19 ]
I'm NT but want my partner always as he/she is 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
I'm NT and wished my partner get rid of it 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 43

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06 Oct 2018, 2:56 pm

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Self-acceptance is the only way you can find happiness and that doesn't come from wishing away who you are.


Self-acceptance? People are just different. Some people just want to improve, some want to get rid of their problems, some just want new experiences, some want to get rid of their limts and others like to keep the things just as they are. The most important things seem to be to you know yourself and your limits and that you can handle your problems. If it comes to me - I just always wanted to improve, to get a global clue and to get rid of my limits. The emotional thing of the normal people is just a thing that I just wanted to understand but to have emotions and to deal with other people isn't the goal of my life.

Self-acceptance? I think I'm not as bad as I am and in comparison to all other people on this planet already quite an extreme but self-acceptance is just a little bit to boring for me. :mrgreen:

"Werd ich zum Augenblicke sagen:
Verweile doch! du bist so schön!
Dann magst du mich in Fesseln schlagen,
Dann will ich gern zugrunde gehn!"

"If I'll say to the moment:
Stay! You are so beautiful!
Then you may strike me in chains,
Then I'll like to perish!"

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07 Oct 2018, 7:00 am

I'm me and I am au-some! 8)
'Wouldn't change a thing. :D


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07 Oct 2018, 8:34 am

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I don't get how people say they'd be a completely different person without ASD.

I feel I'd be the same person, only unencumbered by meltdowns, shutdowns, irregulated emotions and sensory misery.


Yes I wouldn't be a different person at first if my ASD disappeared but it definitely shaped who I am today so I suppose it would feel like you are a different person.

Anyway I've changed my mind, if my trauma is caused by ASD it can do one , mkultra it out of me now


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07 Oct 2018, 9:31 am

My questions to the others who are following this thread are:

*How important is your asperger-diagnosis for your identity? Is it relevant at all for your identity?

*If the diagnosis is important for your identity - in what way is it that?

My answer to the given questions is that I don't base my identity upon my diagnosis. I can't for example necessarily identify myself more with another autist than with a NT if we don't have other things in common. For me my diagnosis is an explaination model for a major part of the difficulties I have and it can partly explain my way of functioning. Asperger is a disorder or a handicap, but nothing more. I therefore would be glad if I got rid of it.



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07 Oct 2018, 11:12 am

quite an extreme wrote:
superaliengirl wrote:
Self-acceptance is the only way you can find happiness and that doesn't come from wishing away who you are.


Self-acceptance? People are just different. Some people just want to improve, some want to get rid of their problems, some just want new experiences, some want to get rid of their limts and others like to keep the things just as they are. The most important things seem to be to you know yourself and your limits and that you can handle your problems. If it comes to me - I just always wanted to improve, to get a global clue and to get rid of my limits. The emotional thing of the normal people is just a thing that I just wanted to understand but to have emotions and to deal with other people isn't the goal of my life.

Self-acceptance? I think I'm not as bad as I am and in comparison to all other people on this planet already quite an extreme but self-acceptance is just a little bit to boring for me. :mrgreen:


Self acceptance isn't giving up, instead picture yourself stuck in a river. Self acceptance is stopping your attempts to swim against the current, and instead swiming with it.

In other-words, self acceptance is working with yourself and being okay with that, instead of trying to fight yourself.


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07 Oct 2018, 11:19 am

*How important is your asperger-diagnosis for your identity? Is it relevant at all for your identity?

It is my base (Autism itself, the diagnostic words are irrelevant), so very important though not all there is to it. It is part of my inherent self.

*If the diagnosis is important for your identity - in what way is it that?

If I wasn't autistic every part of my thinking and way of viewing the world would change. Everything natural to me would become unnatural, everything unnatural would become natural. I simply wouldn't at my base be the same, and because of that everything built on it would also fall. Nothing that makes me me would remain, but my body itself, which is the least important to it.


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07 Oct 2018, 12:25 pm

No, I'm fine with the ASD. Instead of treatment, I want a matchmaker to find people who can use my talents.



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07 Oct 2018, 12:36 pm

Arganger wrote:
Self acceptance isn't giving up, instead picture yourself stuck in a river. Self acceptance is stopping your attempts to swim against the current, and instead swiming with it.

Once you stop to swim against the current it may by to late for trying it once the river faces a waterfall. 8O :wink: Not to swim is no ensurance against to fall and you'll have even to swim against the current just to keep your position. You can ask the depressive people here whether it was a good choice not to swim against the current.

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In other-words, self acceptance is working with yourself and being okay with that, instead of trying to fight yourself.


Seems we have to clarify this. I don't fight myself. I accept myself as being mostly fine, strong, intelligent, healthy and powerful. But I'm not thinking about myself as being static and I'm not thinking to be stook at being like this that I am now for all times. And if I'm able to improve myself I'll do. Why shouldn't I do it?
Self acceptance means also to accept yourself as non being static and to be not as you are now for all times. You'll change and you are also able to improve. You'll learn new things, improve your skills, get over many of your recent limits and get rid of your fears. But you can also try not to change and become more and more depressive because without trying to improving yourself you'll slowly loose many of your skills and your fears become even stronger and will never disappear.
Most people blame the current once they felt down the waterfall. And they blame it for not getting back anymore. But there is no way to improve except to learn to swim against the current no matter how hard it is sometimes. (Seems to be our metaphorical day. :D )


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07 Oct 2018, 2:03 pm

Yes I would. There is nothing I like about having ASD. I'm aware of what I am missing out on, and although I do have a job I like and a relationship I'm happy in and I no longer live with my parents, I still feel like a 60-year-old trapped in a young person's body. When I hear of other 20-somethings saying how they went out and got drunk at the weekend, and when I hear older people talk about when they used to go out and get drunk at weekends, I kind of feel like an outsider and I feel boring and antisocial. If I were NT I would most probably have more courage and willingness to do that, being so every NT I know has gone out and got drunk at some point in their lives in a nightclub. The only people I've met who have never gone to a nightclub or been drunk in their lives are 4 of my friends and they are not NTs; one has autism, one has Fragile-X, one has a form of mental retardation, and one might have an ASD. Otherwise, literally everyone else that I know has been clubbing and drunk.

I have a cousin who is the biggest socialiser ever, and is even more sociable than the average NT. Although she doesn't earn much money, she is always living the nightlife; clubs, pubs, bars, gigs, parties - every weekend with lots of friends and she even meets more friends at these places and gets their phone numbers and then arranges to meet them again, at another party or something, and she ends up sleeping round their houses. Even some NTs say they couldn't keep up a social life like she does. She is just a extraordinarily super-extroverted NT with so much social skills that her brain is probably as big as Einstein's, except with social skills instead of intellectual skills (although she never did too badly in school academic-wise). I wish I was like her. I'm the complete OPPOSITE; scared of nightclubs, never get invited out with friends, hardly make friends only acquaintances, and rather quiet and solitary. Plus I struggled academically in school too. So I must have a brain the size of a pea.

Life is just unfair sometimes. Some people have it all, others are just useless. :cry:


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07 Oct 2018, 3:25 pm

^^ There are myriads of other amusements besides alcohol. I was in one self-help group that decided to go bowling and on various other outings for practice acting normal. There are also groups for people who like almost every kind of hobby where you would have something to talk about. Regular drinkers, OTOH, often need to join AA, and they make such a shambles of their lives that just as many people go to Al-Anon, a group for recovery from trying to be their friends while they drank. I had to bar one regular guest because she was having blackouts, and forgetting her previous visits.



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07 Oct 2018, 3:49 pm

I think it's the way the vast majority of people seem to think drinking is the most wonderful and necessary thing ever, otherwise it wouldn't be so common. In a way I'm glad I never wasted my money going out drinking at clubs when I was younger because that means I have saved my money over the last 10 years and I have quite a lot of savings now. But I still feel like an outsider, and most people in their 20s and even 30s frown upon those that don't drink. :roll:


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07 Oct 2018, 3:49 pm

I regret that I didn't find social outlets compatible with my interests when I was growing up. I am doing that now, and am much happier.



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07 Oct 2018, 4:25 pm

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But I still feel like an outsider, and most people in their 20s and even 30s frown upon those that don't drink. :roll:


Be carefully with alcohol it doesn't solves any problems and is mostly a false friend. A little bit is OK because it improves the mood and the people are a little bit funnier then but once you drink it's quite hard to know the limits. Once you drink there should be always friends with you who really care about you.



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Yes I would. There is nothing I like about having ASD. I'm aware of what I am missing out on, and although I do have a job I like and a relationship I'm happy in and I no longer live with my parents, I still feel like a 60-year-old trapped in a young person's body. When I hear of other 20-somethings saying how they went out and got drunk at the weekend, and when I hear older people talk about when they used to go out and get drunk at weekends, I kind of feel like an outsider and I feel boring and antisocial. If I were NT I would most probably have more courage and willingness to do that, being so every NT I know has gone out and got drunk at some point in their lives in a nightclub. The only people I've met who have never gone to a nightclub or been drunk in their lives are 4 of my friends and they are not NTs; one has autism, one has Fragile-X, one has a form of mental retardation, and one might have an ASD. Otherwise, literally everyone else that I know has been clubbing and drunk.

I have a cousin who is the biggest socialiser ever, and is even more sociable than the average NT. Although she doesn't earn much money, she is always living the nightlife; clubs, pubs, bars, gigs, parties - every weekend with lots of friends and she even meets more friends at these places and gets their phone numbers and then arranges to meet them again, at another party or something, and she ends up sleeping round their houses. Even some NTs say they couldn't keep up a social life like she does. She is just a extraordinarily super-extroverted NT with so much social skills that her brain is probably as big as Einstein's, except with social skills instead of intellectual skills (although she never did too badly in school academic-wise). I wish I was like her. I'm the complete OPPOSITE; scared of nightclubs, never get invited out with friends, hardly make friends only acquaintances, and rather quiet and solitary. Plus I struggled academically in school too. So I must have a brain the size of a pea.

Life is just unfair sometimes. Some people have it all, others are just useless. :cry:


There are many other ways of socializing with people and get something out of life than just hang out in bars and clubs. You can for example hang out in a café, have walks in the nature/in a park or visit an art museum. Another way is to get a hobby or develop an interest for something. To get engaged in an association is also one way to find new people to hang out with. Take a course in the evening is another way too.



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10 Oct 2018, 2:35 pm

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In a way I'm glad I never wasted my money going out drinking at clubs when I was younger because that means I have saved my money over the last 10 years and I have quite a lot of savings now.


I could help you to change this if it's really a problem for you. :D :wink:


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11 Oct 2018, 3:13 am

I just want to be neurotypical for a million reasons. :cry:


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