Should a Jury decide who has guns?
Why not why not let them decide everyonethimg. Born autistic? Let a jury decide if you live. And they have to have rechecking as yiu age to decide if you deserve to continue living, want to smoke weed? Let the jury decide if your anxiety is enough or not, what do you or doctors know. We should just have Salem witch trials for everything. We should be like that Star Trek society that votes on everything and if you get too many negative votes you get executed. Doesn’t that sound swell everything, I’m sure we aspies will do well in a societynruled by social media, us lacking social skills and all.
Seriously, if you have a problem with juries having the power to take people's guns you should have a problem with juries being able to determine guilt, which results in a jail sentence because imprisonment puts a much bigger squeeze on your freedom than merely not possessing a gun.
Honestly I think laws that keep guns out of the hands of people who use them irresponsibly would actually help to prevent an outright ban on guns. When gun owners say they want anyone to be able to own a gun no matter what they've done, it doesn't make gun owners sound like a responsible group.
Deciding if someone is guilty of a crime based on evidence is whole lot different then deciding if someone guilty of no crime should have their rights taken away by which the bill of rights says no.
People who misuse guns ie commit crimes already lose them, what we are talking about is trying to predict who might commit crimes before they every do and might never do.
Aspies are dangerous and shouldn’t have guns, really where’s the evidence? What studies show aspies are more dangerous the nts? Studies actually show aspies are more often a victim then nts.
Look here on this forum how people on the left call and see people on the right, should they be able to strip the rights rights away cause they disagree with them? Would you be fine with republicans stripping the lefts rights away cause they disagree?
Some say if you want to own a gun that makes you crazy, that’s not science that’s just a hateful opinion cause the disagree with owning guns.
That’s a strawman, Gun owners don’t say that, in fact quite a few are fine with making it so no one born different mentally can own guns. Much like the anti gunners they fear what they don’t know, they fear different. It’s irrational. No one wants murders to own guns, or violent criminals, we just want them kept locked up if they’re so dangerous. If they released that’s the government saying they aren’t dangerous anymore, if they actually aren’t dangerous then why shouldn’t they get their rights back?
Should bro nazis be able to own guns? Absolutely, they haven’t committed a crime, being a new nazi isn’t a crime.until they take some illegal action they can own guns and be horrible person. Being horrible person isn’t illegal. Rights are for everyone not just those we agree with. So antifa can own guns, gays can own guns, immigrants who become citizens can own guns. It’s the anti gun people who want to make rights for the elite or special classes, they want to section rights off to those they like only. No thanks.
A right you need government permission for isn’t a right. A right denied isn’t a right.
Placing limits on gun ownership is 'stripping you of all your rights as an american.' I just really don't understand that mentality as its not really true. I mean I guess if you think all our rights come down to gun ownership alone you might have a case...but aside from that there is reason to not allow guns in every environment and event. And your argument is nazis should have guns because being a horrible person is not illegal? Well hate crime is illegal you douche.
But continue I'd like to hear more about why neo-nazis should have guns, simply because being a bad person is not illegal.
Also what you think because some domestic abuser got time in jail they should then just be able to own any gun they please? Like come on if someone gets jailed for domestic abuse or other abuse, they probably should not be allowed guns even after they get out. I mean its pretty true that most child molesters that get out go on to molest other children, so why would people in for gun violence be any different.
If you think one right doesn’t matter others think your right you doesn’t matter. Just cause yiu don’t use a right doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t mean it’s nit important. I don’t use weed, but unlike yiu I’ll fight make it legal so you can use without getting in trouble. The right to self defense and to own a gun is very important to me and 100 million other Americans that should be all that’s needed for you to support defending it. Or don’t expect those 100million to defend your rights.
Being a neo nazi isn’t hate crime. People have th right tintheir opinions, if they don’t inact violence they are free to hate certain people or races. If they attack others or refuse to serve others they’ll be punished accordingly as store in my state are finding out due to them refusing to sell guns to people under 21.
1st amendment means it’s not illegal to hate people means they haven’t broke laws, they haven’t harmed anyone means they aren’t violent means they get to own guns to enjoy recreational and to defend their life if need be. So until you get rid of the bill of rights people you dislike get the same right to own guns as you do, and that works both ways people they dislike get to own guns too.
That is the fundamental idea that separates our government and nation from dictatorships. That everyone has the same rights and that no ones rights can be trampled so yes that includes neo nazis.
Domestic abuses don’t get jail they get a restraining order which means they can’t own guns. Should that lady I dated be able to accuse me of domestic abuse and have my rights stripped? I’m uttery terrified if it cause anyone can do it. I lose my rights and I habe ri fight to get them back and I’m poor and on ssi so I can’t afford tens of thousands of dollars to do so, no rich person is going foot the bill for me either.
So unless the person physically hurt the other person or they can proove it’s danger or they’ve been stalking I’m nit for claim alone bans on guns for domestic cases like my state and California have done. I could accuse my friend of it and they’d take his guns without ever even talking to him first. He has to prove I lied. Without using medical experts or medical records, does that sound fair. How do you proove your not dangerous if you can’t use medical records or evaluations from therapists?
Why do we let them out? Ever so that? Instead of man we shouldn’t let them around children, why isn’t it why are we letting them out of thy can’t be around child?
I don't buy the slippery slope argument.
Well we once had no gun laws then little by little each time saying this is all we want we got thousands of gun laws
And there’s your slippery slope
Don't be silly, we always had gun laws. Just not for white people. I'm all for whatever number of gun laws is sufficient. It's not the number that matters.
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After all, we you give a homeloan to someone without an income? No? Than why let them raise a child with money they don’t have?
The trouble is, how could such a rule be enforced?
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Hey, hey, hey----since when do you call people names? I don't think I've ever seen you do that, before. Yeah, I know this site has gone downhill, and others call people names, and nobody does anything about it, but you've always been better than that. Please stay the good, thinking person you've always been.
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I don't buy the slippery slope argument.
Well we once had no gun laws then little by little each time saying this is all we want we got thousands of gun laws
And there’s your slippery slope
Don't be silly, we always had gun laws. Just not for white people. I'm all for whatever number of gun laws is sufficient. It's not the number that matters.
Cause the first thousands of gun laws that don’t work means we should make more restrictive gun laws that don’t work which failure will require us to pass more restrictive gun laws that don’t work and when we’ve banned all guns and that doesn’t work we’ll ban knives. Why don’t we cut to ththe chase and just cut everyone’s hands off.
Suspicious and hateful by who’s standards? Each side says those s out the other side. So should no one have guns?
Hey, hey, hey----since when do you call people names? I don't think I've ever seen you do that, before. Yeah, I know this site has gone downhill, and others call people names, and nobody does anything about it, but you've always been better than that. Please stay the good, thinking person you've always been.
You haven’t beeen reading her recent posts then.
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in even a marginally less imperfect world there would be no guns or use for guns. but we live in a cosmically coalesced dystopia-lite where only million$ gives one any respite from the craziness. if I ran things, ANY weapons found would be melted down into gardening equipment. any repeat offenders would be exiled. people who invent new weapons would similarly be exiled. even fists would earn one an exile. let them all duke it out on some deserted island somewhere. mebbe the survivors would get some sense and form a nation. then we'd all better watch out.
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Yeah! Let's exile them all to America and let them duke it out!
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Yeah! Let's exile them all to America and let them duke it out!
haha there's always the moon, we need to develop the moon into a penal colony
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It is pretty clear that we won't have privacy in the future. Why not use that fact to look for the next mass murders and take away their guns before it happens? Wouldn't a jury trial be a fairest way of deciding whether or not to take away that right?
You mean that someone wants to buy a firearm and so you think they should find a jury and tie up a courtroom for a day or two as well as force the state and the individual to spend money on lawyers to argue their sides?
Are you also in favor of forming a jury for every person who is autistic to determine whether or not they are able to function in society or if they should be locked up in a home the rest of their lives?
How about forming a jury to evaluate everyone who wants a driver's license to decide if they are able to drive a car?
Maybe we should form a jury to evaluate applicants at various universities to decide who gets admittance?
Who's going to pay for all this?
And what support for this do you think that there is in the Constitution? If it isn't there, it would take an amendment. Do you really think it would have a chance of passing? Who would vote for it knowing that it would mean that they are going to get called on a regular basis to go to a courtroom to interfere in other people's lives?
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Are you going to volunteer to catch rabid animals so that they can be euthanized?
I'ts a whole lot safer to shoot rabid animals.
Also things like rattlesnakes. My younger brother once shot a rattlesnake that was coiled up a foot from leg before it could bite me.
Are you going to volunteer to catch rabid animals so that they can be euthanized?
I'ts a whole lot safer to shoot rabid animals.
Also things like rattlesnakes. My younger brother once shot a rattlesnake that was coiled up a foot from leg before it could bite me.
You’re death and the death of hundreds millions is just acceptable losses to the s it gun folks