Kanye West's Bizarre Oval Office Monologue

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14 Oct 2018, 12:50 pm



Partial transcript can be found at: http://www.vulture.com/amp/2018/10/kanye-west-and-donald-trump-meeting-transcript.html

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Here we have Larry Hoover’s lawyer with us today and it’s a prisoner that we’re focused on. He has six life sentences and they have him next to the unibomber doing 23 and 1 … Really the reason why they imprisoned [Larry Hoover] is because he started doing positive for the community. He started showing that he actually had power, he wasn’t just one of a monolithic voice but he could wrap people around, so there’s theories that there’s infinite amounts of universe, and there’s alternate universe, so it’s very important for me to get Hoover out because in an alternate universe, I am him. And I have to go and get him free because he was doing positive inside of Chicago, just like how I’m moving back to Chicago and it’s not just about, you know, getting on stage and being an entertainer, and having a monolithic voice that’s forced to be a specific party.

You know, people expect that if you’re black you have to be Democrat. I have conversations that basically said that welfare is the reason why a lot of black people end up being Democrat they say – you know first of all, it’s a limit to amount of jobs, so the fathers lose the job and they say, ‘We’ll give you more money for having more kids in your home.’ And then we got rid of the mental health institutes in the 80s and the 90s and the prison rates just shot up. And now you have Chiraq, what people call Chiraq, which actually, our murder rate is going down by 20 per cent every year. I just talked to the superintendent, met with Michael Sacks, that’s Ron’s right hand man. So, I think it’s the bravery that helps you beat this game called life. You know they tried to scare me to not wear this hat, my own friends, but this hat, it gives me power in a way.

You know, my dad and my mom separated, so I didn’t have a lot of male energy in my home. And also I’m married now into a family that, you know, not a lot of male energy going on, it’s beautiful though. But there’s times where, you know, it’s something about, I love Hillary, I love everyone, right, but the campaign “I’m With Her” just didn’t make me feel as a guy that didn’t get to see my dad all the time, like a guy that could play catch with his son. It was something about when I put this hat on, it made me feel like Superman. You made us Superman, that’s my favorite superhero, and you made a Superman cape for me.

Also as a guy that looks up to you, looks up to Ralph Lauren, looks up to American industry guys. Non-political, no BS [looks at media members] - put the beep on it, however you want to do it, five seconds delay - and just goes in and gets it done. Right now, you gave me the heart to go to Adidas. When I went in, in 2015, we were a $14 billion company losing $2 billion a year. Now, we have $38 billion market cap. It’s called “The Yeezy Effect.” And went and I said, “You have to bring manufacturing on-shore. Not even on-shore, into the core. It’s not about the borders. The core of Adidas, and Chicago, is the core of middle America, and we have to make middle America strong.

So, I had the balls, because I have enough balls to put on this hat. I mean, this Adidas thing made me a billionaire. And I could have lost $200 million walking away from that deal. But even with that, I knew it was more important for me to take the chance of walking away from that deal, than to have no fathers in Chicago, with no homes. And when we do have prison reformation, not rehabilitation, because they didn’t have the abilities in the first place. We never had anyone who taught us, they didn’t teach us. Then any specific deal, anything, that we bring jobs into America. And that we provide a transition with mental health and the AmeriCan education curriculum that Jim has worked on. Larry Hoover also has a curriculum that he’s worked on. We have Montessori curriculums that we worked on. WeWorks has beautiful curriculum. The Waldorf establishment has a curriculum. We have meditation.

There’s a lot of things affecting our mental health that makes us do crazy things, that puts us back into that trap door that’s called the 13th Amendment. I did say, “abolish,” with the hat on, because why would you keep something around that’s a trap door. If you building a floor, the constitution is the base of our industry, of our country, of our company. Would you build a trap door that if you mess up and accidentally something happens, you fall and you end up next to the Uni-bomber, you gotta remove all that trapdoor out of the relationship. The four gentleman that wrote the 13th Amendment, and I think the way the universe works is perfect, we don’t have 13 floors, do we? You know, the four gentleman that wrote the 13th amendment didn’t look like the people they were amending. Also, at that point, it was illegal for blacks to read, or African Americans, to read. So, that meant if you actually read the Amendment, you’d get locked up! And turned into a slave. Again, so what I think is, we don’t need sentences, we need pardons. We need to talk to people.

I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder. I was connected with a neuropsychologist that works with the athletes in the NBA and NFL. He looked at my brain, it’s equal on three parts. I’m gonna go ahead, drop some bombs for you. 98 percentile IQ test, I had a 75 percentile of all human beings when it was counting eight numbers backwards, so I’m gonna work on that one. The other ones, 98 percent, Tesla, Freud. So, he said that I actually wasn’t bipolar, I had sleep deprivation, which could cause dementia 10-20 years from now, where I wouldn’t even remember my sons name. So, all this power that I’ve got, and I’m taking my son to the Sox game and all that, I wouldn’t be able to remember his name, from a misdiagnosis. What we need is, we can empower the pharmaceuticals and make more money. That’s one thing, I’ve never stepped into a situation where I didn’t make people more money. So, we can empower pharmaceuticals, we can empower our industries, we can empower our factories, we can bring, not only Adidas on shore, we could bring Foxconn and set up a factory in, I think, Minnesota [corrected by Trump that it’s Wisconsin].

Yeah, Wisconsin. They have 4,000 jobs, people making 53,000 a year. And one of the things we gotta set is, Ford to have the highest designs. The dopest cars. The most amazing. I don’t really say, “dope,” I don’t say negative words and try to flip ‘em. We just say positive, lovely, divine, universal words. So, the flyest, freshest, most amazing car. And what we start with, is – I brought a GIF with me right here. [Scrolls through iPhone to show Trump.] This right here is the iPlane 1. It’s a hydrogen powered airplane, and this is what our president should be flying in. We’re gonna have Apple, an American company, work on this plane.

What I need Saturday Night Live to improve on, or what I need the liberals to improve on is, if he don’t look good [pointing to Trump], we don’t look good. This is our President. He has to be the freshest, the flyest, the flyest planes, the best factories. And we have to make our core be empowered. We have to bring jobs into America, because our best export is entertainment and ideas. But when we make everything in China and not America, then we’re cheating on our country, and we’re putting people in positions to have to do illegal things to end up in the cheapest factory every, the prison system.


I thought just like everyone else: a bipolar manic episode. Bizarre, like many news headlines have stated. But then, I decided to dissect Kanye's speech, and try to understand his thought process, what went through his brain.

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So, unlike what the news outlets wanted to portrait, Kanye's message was well-structured, and had a central theme to it: how to help blacks. What went missing was the punchline. I mean, that did not just happen at the overall level. Kanye missed stating out the punchlines in each of his paragraphs.

That, pretty sums up the difference between a bipolar person and an autistic person. No matter where you are on the spectrum, everyone would agree that autistic people are extremely logical. Autistic people learn from whatever information they can digest (some more, some less), derive understanding, then apply that understanding (whether good or bad) to adjust what they do. In other words, they are capable of synthesizing the "punchline" and extract "the moral of the story."

That is not the case of a bipolar person during their manic or depressive episodes. The ability to synthesize a punchline, and apply "the moral of the story" for real-time feedback is missing. It's as if they talk only with commas, without periods.

So, that is the hardest part about how to interact with bipolar people: their inability to synthesize conclusions and apply those conclusions in real-time. Even though a bipolar person is well aware of him/herself being in the manic or depressive phase, the person has zero ability to establish conclusions and apply those conclusions for corrective actions.

(Autism and bipolarity are not mutually exclusive. Some people have both. Here I am not talking about the intersection cases.)

The part about exposition of ideas in bipolar people, can more or less be understood in terms of RNN (recurrent neural network) in modern Artificial Intelligence's Deep Learning framework. The reach into correlated concepts is amazing. However, what's missing, as compared to the case of autism, is the synthesizing step for real-time feedback and learning/correction/adjustment. That is the missing piece.

That all works great in artistic expressions, where things are left up to the interpretation of the audience, no punchlines needed. Arts are meant to provoke people's imagination, knock them off from routine, and certainly bipolarity's main evolutionary purpose is precisely that.

What Kanye's speech has taught me is that, human brains have a piece of mechanism on real-time synthesis of punchlines/conclusions. When the function of that mechanism is suppressed, there is no check-and-balance to stop the spiraling of trends of thoughts. So the high feeds back to the high, the low feeds back to the low.

Well, all this, is just the first step towards a physical/mathematical approach in understanding what's going on inside the bipolar brain. Like autism, bipolarity provides another "Gram staining" technique that allows us a closer look into the parts and pieces of the human brain.


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14 Oct 2018, 9:07 pm

@eikonabridge Since autistic people are so logical, how can liberalism make any sense to them? Whats logical about harassing politicians at restaurants? What's logical about protesting Kavanaugh like spoiled little children. Whats logical about them banging on the Supreme Court door. What's logical about Antifa? What's logical about having an abortion a month before the due date? What's logical about political correctness? Whats logical about democratic politicians encouraging violence? Since autistic people are logical why are most of us (on this forum at least) liberal? That's simply not logical. I'm ashamed to say I voted for Obama in '08. I thought he was gonna be what Trump is.

Just for the record, I'm not conservative either. I don't do political parties (or religion for that matter). Nobody tells me how to think. The only thing I ever joined was the Boy Scouts (which the liberals are trying to ruin).


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15 Oct 2018, 12:48 am

Heat844 wrote:
@eikonabridge Since autistic people are so logical, how can liberalism make any sense to them? Whats logical about harassing politicians at restaurants? What's logical about protesting Kavanaugh like spoiled little children. Whats logical about them banging on the Supreme Court door. What's logical about Antifa? What's logical about having an abortion a month before the due date? What's logical about political correctness? Whats logical about democratic politicians encouraging violence? Since autistic people are logical why are most of us (on this forum at least) liberal? That's simply not logical. I'm ashamed to say I voted for Obama in '08. I thought he was gonna be what Trump is.

Just for the record, I'm not conservative either. I don't do political parties (or religion for that matter). Nobody tells me how to think. The only thing I ever joined was the Boy Scouts (which the liberals are trying to ruin).


They've let themselves be convinced that convonservativism is all about opressing, endangering, depriving and eradicating minorities, including autistics. And that liberalism is about protecting them from that.



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15 Oct 2018, 1:03 am

To the OP: I think that you're over thinking it. I just think that Kanye is a bit unhinged after the recent death of his mama, and that he also needs a father figure, and that's why he prefers Donald to Hillary.

But then I didn't go through the whole transcript. Just saw the usual clips. So who knows?

When I was in junior high and high school writing theme papers I did what you're saying Kanye is doing, which is go a certain direction, and then change subjects before actually making my point (like I expected the reader to connect the dots). Had to learn to follow through and make the conclusion. Then and now I was an aspie, but I wasn't (then or now) bipolar. Don't that that quirk has much to do with either the autism spectrum or with being bipolar.

Also Kanye is probably better at poetry than at prose since he is a rapper. Getting all sci fi about parallel universes, and citing Joesph Campbell by way of Star Wars by talking about the person you are addressing being on "their hero's journey" might be interesting on a rap record, but comes off as rather disjointed while you're talking to the POTUS in the Oval office.



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15 Oct 2018, 1:07 am

Heat844 wrote:
You liberals are just scared s**tless that black people are gonna stop zombie voting democrat and start thinking for themselves. ...

Oops, are you talking to me? I am no known for being liberal, or conservative. I, first and foremost, don't identify myself with any group out there. I have never felt the need for a collective identity. I am friend with people across all political affiliations. I don't talk about partisan politics, at all. I am a scientist. I talk about science. That's what I do.

I am talking about artificial intelligence, Deep Learning models, autism and bipolarity. You are talking about liberals and conservatives. We operate in different frequencies. Feel free to talk about your points of view, just don't assign labels to me.


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15 Oct 2018, 1:47 am

naturalplastic wrote:
... I did what you're saying Kanye is doing, which is go a certain direction, and then change subjects before actually making my point ...
.... but comes off as rather disjointed while you're talking to the POTUS in the Oval office.

My point is, Kanye's speech was perfectly coherent. Look at the diagram I drew. Kanye never said his main theme was to talk about "How to help black people." I wrote that, because I could understand his points and detect his thought process. Kanye's speech was perfectly coherent and followed a main theme. He did bring up seemingly-random things like the MAGA hat, hydrogen-powered car/plane, male energy, things like that. Those things didn't bother me, at all. I saw the illustrative purpose of everything he said. Kanye never changed the subject of his speech, it was never disjointed. It was heavily illustrated, but not disjointed.

However, his speech lacked the periodic conclusions (punchlines, or summaries) that is common to most people. Heck, it was me who summarized his speech into "How to help blacks." Kanye himself did not do that. That was the piece I was addressing. That piece, is at the heart of bipolarity. It is important to isolate and understand that piece of mechanism (the ability to summarize and draw rational conclusions), if anyone wants to understand bipolarity, at all.

You add in the periodic punchlines/conclusions, and Kanye's speech would have come across as a great, brilliant speech.

You skips those periodic punchlines/conclusions, and people won't understand a thing about what he was talking about. People would get confused, puzzled. That was why news outlets described his speech as "rant" or "bizarre."

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It is well-known that you can't possibly talk bipolar people out of their manic or depressive phases. If that could have worked, it would have worked decades ago. There is no lack of research into bipolar disorder. Bipolar people don't have problem getting their points across: there is no issue there. Just like Kanye did not have issue getting his points across. I was able to understand each and every single point he was making. And I have described his speech as "coherent," whereas most people wouldn't use that term to describe it.

Where bipolar people have issues is to listen to other people. That's where the problem lies. That's why bipolar people commit suicide and die like flies. Dead bipolar artists come in truckloads, a dime a dozen. That, is the problem I am looking at and trying to understand. If it were a simple problem, we wouldn't be seeing dead artists today, all the time. It's a tough problem to crack, and we are no way close to a solution. Autism, in comparison, is a piece of cake. Autism is a solved issue, to me: nothing new to do there. Bipolarity, to me, is still a puzzle.

Oh, and suicides don't just happen during the depressive phase. Here is a recent example on when it happened during the manic phase: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/claudiarosenbaum/youtuber-mcskillet-crash-autopsy-breakdown. (And here is a doctor saying out the word "bipolar" explicitly: https://www.10news.com/news/psychiatrist-asses-mcskillet-s-manic-behavior-before-mclaren-crash-on-i-805).


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