Trump regime to withdraw from anti-nuke arms treaty

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20 Oct 2018, 4:34 pm

U.S. to Tell Russia It Is Leaving Landmark I.N.F. Treaty

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The Trump administration is preparing to tell Russian leaders next week that it is planning to exit the landmark Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, in part to enable the United States to counter a Chinese arms buildup in the Pacific, according to American officials and foreign diplomats.

President Trump has been moving toward scrapping the three-decade-old treaty, which grew out of President Ronald Reagan’s historic meeting with Mikhail Gorbachev in 1986. While the treaty was seen as effective for years, Russia has been violating it at least since 2014 in an effort to menace other nations.

But the pact has also constrained the United States from deploying new weapons to respond to China’s efforts to cement a dominant position in the Western Pacific and to keep American naval forces at bay. Because China was not a signatory to the treaty, it has faced no limits on developing intermediate-range nuclear missiles, which can travel thousands of miles.

The White House said that no official decision had been made to leave the treaty, known as I.N.F., which at the time of its signing was considered a critical step in defusing Cold War tensions. But in the coming weeks, Mr. Trump is expected to sign off on the decision, which would mark the first time he has scrapped an arms control treaty, the American officials said.

Now that the treaty is largely in tatters, the question is whether the decision to leave it will accelerate the increasingly Cold War-like behavior among the three superpowers: the United States, Russia and China.

As Russia has flown bombers over Europe and has conducted troop exercises on its borders with former Soviet states, the United States and its NATO allies have been rotating forces through countries under threat. Ukraine has become a low-level battleground, with ground skirmishes and a daily cyberconflict. China and the United States are jostling for position around reefs in the South China Sea that Beijing has turned into military bases, and they are both preparing for any possibility of war in space.

For the past four years, the United States has argued that Russia is in violation of the treaty because it has deployed prohibited tactical nuclear weapons to intimidate European nations and former Soviet states that have aligned with the West. But President Barack Obama chose not to leave the agreement because of objections from the Europeans — particularly Germany — and out of concern that it would rekindle an arms race...

The Pentagon has already been developing nuclear weapons to match, and counter, what the Chinese have deployed. But that effort would take years, so, in the interim, the United States is preparing to modify existing weapons, including its non-nuclear Tomahawk missiles, and is likely to deploy them first in Asia, according to officials who have been briefed on the issue. Those may be based in Japan, or perhaps in Guam, where the United States maintains a large base and would face little political opposition...

“The collapse of the treaty would likely open up a missile race in Europe and elsewhere,” said Hans M. Kristensen, the director of the Nuclear Information Project at the Federation of American Scientists, a private group in Washington. “It would signal a new phase where countries would compete to deploy and counterdeploy weapons."...

The 1987 treaty between Washington and Moscow bans all land-based missiles with ranges of 500 to 5,500 kilometers, or 310 to 3,420 miles. Missiles that go that far are known as short- and intermediate-range. The treaty covers land-based missiles carrying both nuclear and conventional warheads. It does not cover air-launched or sea-launched weapons...

If the Trump administration leaves the treaty, it is likely to deploy a version of the Tomahawk cruise missile that is redesigned to be launched from land. Ships and submarines now carry Tomahawks armed with conventional warheads; experts say that eventually a nuclear warhead could be designed to fit the Tomahawk.



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20 Oct 2018, 7:50 pm

To be fair the Russians never upheld their side. A lot of our nukes are going expire and we haven’t made anymore while Russia kept making nukes.



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20 Oct 2018, 10:21 pm

I have read commentary about Bolton way back earlier this year, where people who had worked with him warned of his temper, that he is a hothead, Trump would rue the day he hired him.

He seems to still be a hothead, given the public display with Mattis and his demands for the USA to take rash action merely because Bolton insists on it.



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21 Oct 2018, 1:07 am

I have to wonder if Putin himself wants Trump to exit the treaty, as this would allow the Russians to drop all pretense and rebuild their arsenal without fake adherence to said treaty.


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21 Oct 2018, 5:10 am

Yes, you have to wonder what they did arrange behind the closed doors. Or perhaps, what Putin directed Trump to do?

The Office of the POTUS has never been less politically transparent, and the secrecy is worrying.

I really never thought I would see a President of the USA at any stage of my life acting so covertly and cravenly.



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21 Oct 2018, 8:51 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
I have to wonder if Putin himself wants Trump to exit the treaty, as this would allow the Russians to drop all pretense and rebuild their arsenal without fake adherence to said treaty.


Nice conspiracy theory :lol: Putin elected a puppet to endlessly do things that hurt Russia? Seems plausible... :roll: In reality it is likely Trump has done it just before the midterms to suck up to the neocons in his party and to the media. He was elected to have better relations with Russia but has gone against that campaign promise. Putin has zero power over the US. Trump listened to people like Kissinger regarding having better relations with Russia because it is insane to try and push Russia and China closer together. But that is what liberals and neocons are doing.


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21 Oct 2018, 10:33 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
I have to wonder if Putin himself wants Trump to exit the treaty, as this would allow the Russians to drop all pretense and rebuild their arsenal without fake adherence to said treaty.



Not even close.Why do you think that Donald Trump is somehow controlled by Russia? If anything,he seems to be more hostile towards Russia than any President in history,which is not a good thing. The fact that he is removing America from this Treaty proves that.He's no different than a typical Neocon warmonger,you just don't realize that becasue you have been brainwashed by the Media.



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21 Oct 2018, 1:21 pm

Directed to Powell and Owl -

Yes, Putin does exert power over Trump. When nobody else in their right mind would lend to Trump, he went to the mob connected Russian oligarchs, who in turn have power in the Kremlin. In return, Trump has been laundering money for the Russians through his hotels and other businesses. Putin is Trump's benefactor, and Trump is never allowed to forget that fact. Sure, Putin allows him to stage some Anti-Russian actions in order to hide their relationship, but Russia is hardly the loser because of any of it. Putin is a spy master and hyper Russian nationalist; he wants to make Russia great again on the back of the USA, which he blames for Russia's fall from power, and he has the long term, covert means and planning to do it.


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21 Oct 2018, 2:18 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Directed to Powell and Owl -

Yes, Putin does exert power over Trump. When nobody else in their right mind would lend to Trump, he went to the mob connected Russian oligarchs, who in turn have power in the Kremlin. In return, Trump has been laundering money for the Russians through his hotels and other businesses. Putin is Trump's benefactor, and Trump is never allowed to forget that fact. Sure, Putin allows him to stage some Anti-Russian actions in order to hide their relationship, but Russia is hardly the loser because of any of it. Putin is a spy master and hyper Russian nationalist; he wants to make Russia great again on the back of the USA, which he blames for Russia's fall from power, and he has the long term, covert means and planning to do it.


Why in the hell would Putin want Trump to continue to make Anti Russian after Anti Russian move? Trump and his Administration have Slapped Sanctions against Russia,Striked Syria twice,pulled out of the Iran Deal and slapped Sanctions against them.Trump and his Administration been very harsh towards Russia and their Allies overall and now they are pulling out of the Anti Nuke Arms Treaty.Barack Obama never have been this harsh towards Russia nor should he have been becasue it's a bad idea. Also Donald Trump has actual ties to Saudi Arabia,but yet you are so focused on his so called "ties" to Russia.You make no sense and you clearly have been manipulated by the mainstream media.Do your own research instead of listening to the media.



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21 Oct 2018, 2:30 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:
Directed to Powell and Owl -

Yes, Putin does exert power over Trump. When nobody else in their right mind would lend to Trump, he went to the mob connected Russian oligarchs, who in turn have power in the Kremlin. In return, Trump has been laundering money for the Russians through his hotels and other businesses. Putin is Trump's benefactor, and Trump is never allowed to forget that fact. Sure, Putin allows him to stage some Anti-Russian actions in order to hide their relationship, but Russia is hardly the loser because of any of it. Putin is a spy master and hyper Russian nationalist; he wants to make Russia great again on the back of the USA, which he blames for Russia's fall from power, and he has the long term, covert means and planning to do it.


Why in the hell would Putin want Trump to continue to make Anti Russian after Anti Russian move? Trump and his Administration have Slapped Sanctions against Russia,Striked Syria twice,pulled out of the Iran Deal and slapped Sanctions against them.Trump and his Administration been very harsh towards Russia and their Allies overall and now they are pulling out of the Anti Nuke Arms Treaty.Barack Obama never have been this harsh towards Russia nor should he have been becasue it's a bad idea. Also Donald Trump has actual ties to Saudi Arabia,but yet you are so focused on his so called "ties" to Russia.You make no sense and you clearly have been manipulated by the mainstream media.Do your own research instead of listening to the media.


The Anti-Russian sanctions have more to do with congress, many of which Trump had opposed. The other Anti-Russian actions tend to be token in nature, allowing Trump to keep his cover as Putin's b*tch.
Yes, Trump has connections to the Saudis - I never said he didn't.
Yes, I do listen to the mainstream media. Trump is reading straight out of the fascist rule book about demonizing the press. What am I supposed to depend on, fascist, racist rags like Breitbart or the Daily Stormer?


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23 Oct 2018, 1:48 pm

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Trump figures it'll make his mushroom shaped penis bigger.


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23 Oct 2018, 2:16 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Directed to Powell and Owl -

Yes, Putin does exert power over Trump. When nobody else in their right mind would lend to Trump, he went to the mob connected Russian oligarchs, who in turn have power in the Kremlin. In return, Trump has been laundering money for the Russians through his hotels and other businesses. Putin is Trump's benefactor, and Trump is never allowed to forget that fact. Sure, Putin allows him to stage some Anti-Russian actions in order to hide their relationship, but Russia is hardly the loser because of any of it. Putin is a spy master and hyper Russian nationalist; he wants to make Russia great again on the back of the USA, which he blames for Russia's fall from power, and he has the long term, covert means and planning to do it.


Are we meant to take these conspiracy theories seriously?


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23 Oct 2018, 6:04 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:
Directed to Powell and Owl -

Yes, Putin does exert power over Trump. When nobody else in their right mind would lend to Trump, he went to the mob connected Russian oligarchs, who in turn have power in the Kremlin. In return, Trump has been laundering money for the Russians through his hotels and other businesses. Putin is Trump's benefactor, and Trump is never allowed to forget that fact. Sure, Putin allows him to stage some Anti-Russian actions in order to hide their relationship, but Russia is hardly the loser because of any of it. Putin is a spy master and hyper Russian nationalist; he wants to make Russia great again on the back of the USA, which he blames for Russia's fall from power, and he has the long term, covert means and planning to do it.


Are we meant to take these conspiracy theories seriously?


You deny that Trump was given loans by the Russians? Because Don Jr. himself says that they did.


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23 Oct 2018, 6:07 pm

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rick42 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Directed to Powell and Owl -

Yes, Putin does exert power over Trump. When nobody else in their right mind would lend to Trump, he went to the mob connected Russian oligarchs, who in turn have power in the Kremlin. In return, Trump has been laundering money for the Russians through his hotels and other businesses. Putin is Trump's benefactor, and Trump is never allowed to forget that fact. Sure, Putin allows him to stage some Anti-Russian actions in order to hide their relationship, but Russia is hardly the loser because of any of it. Putin is a spy master and hyper Russian nationalist; he wants to make Russia great again on the back of the USA, which he blames for Russia's fall from power, and he has the long term, covert means and planning to do it.


Why in the hell would Putin want Trump to continue to make Anti Russian after Anti Russian move? Trump and his Administration have Slapped Sanctions against Russia,Striked Syria twice,pulled out of the Iran Deal and slapped Sanctions against them.Trump and his Administration been very harsh towards Russia and their Allies overall and now they are pulling out of the Anti Nuke Arms Treaty.Barack Obama never have been this harsh towards Russia nor should he have been becasue it's a bad idea. Also Donald Trump has actual ties to Saudi Arabia,but yet you are so focused on his so called "ties" to Russia.You make no sense and you clearly have been manipulated by the mainstream media.Do your own research instead of listening to the media.


The Anti-Russian sanctions have more to do with congress, many of which Trump had opposed. The other Anti-Russian actions tend to be token in nature, allowing Trump to keep his cover as Putin's b*tch.
Yes, Trump has connections to the Saudis - I never said he didn't.
Yes, I do listen to the mainstream media. Trump is reading straight out of the fascist rule book about demonizing the press. What am I supposed to depend on, fascist, racist rags like Breitbart or the Daily Stormer?


There’s lots of sanctions trump could remove with a pen. Obama put them in place with one , yet trump hasn’t done so sadly. No ak12 for us Americans