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16 Nov 2018, 10:26 am
We all know Austin Powers is a REAL hero compared to James Bond. 
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09 Dec 2018, 8:11 pm
I love James Bond more as the years go by, probably because it's a part of my childhood. I particularly like the rendering of Roger Moore who I think best captured the suaveness and stoicism of the character (nothing against Sean Connery, I just like Roger better).
Has anybody seen the Johnny English films by the way? Truly epic. 
(Warning: admitting to it may identify you as a potential spy) 
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10 Jan 2019, 12:32 pm
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10 Jan 2019, 2:12 pm
ironpony wrote:
Goldeneye I agree with, that Bond actually went too far, and he should have some sort of consequence for that, or something.
I mean he goes too far a lot, which is part of the appeal of the character, but in Goldeneye he went too too far maybe.
I mean he goes too far a lot, which is part of the appeal of the character, but in Goldeneye he went too too far maybe.
The really horrible thing about it is that I get the feeling that real spies actually do do that sort of thing all the time and their government allows them to get away with it. They probably kill innocent people (or rather people who don't actually deserve to die) all the time and the governments cover it all up because they need them to "take down the enemy".
Some people call it the lesser of two evils, I call it corruption and BS.
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10 Jan 2019, 7:06 pm
ASPartOfMe wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
He was of his time.
The people he killed were bad guys. The women he flirted and bedded consented. In the real world, it was and is not so simple but these people were fictional fantasy characters. Fantasy, very few of us do not fantasize about the people we find extremely attractive wanting to sleep with us.
The fantasy bad guys he killed did not have a good side or a family they left behind.
The people he killed were bad guys. The women he flirted and bedded consented. In the real world, it was and is not so simple but these people were fictional fantasy characters. Fantasy, very few of us do not fantasize about the people we find extremely attractive wanting to sleep with us.
The fantasy bad guys he killed did not have a good side or a family they left behind.
In movies like Goldeneye he killed Russian soldiers who were just doing their jobs out of loyalty to their own country and his contact 006 even killed a random Russian scientist in cold blood while Bond didn't bat an eyelash about it. In fact there is a scene where he shoots and kills Russian soldiers while escaping the Military Archives after he and that girl were arrested under suspicion of being responsible for the terror attacks in Russia. The Russian official realized they were innocent and was prepared to let them go but then the Russian General showed up and murdered the Russian official and the soldier in the room (because this general was the actual criminal) and he framed 007 and the girl for his murder and sent his soldiers who had no idea what was really going on to arrest Bond. So basically Bond killed a bunch of soldiers who were just following orders and had no idea that they were being used by the real enemy to their country.
Yes, I think he's a monster.
IRL most soldiers are "just doing their jobs" but in the context of a cold war fantasy, the Russians soldiers had no redeeming features. James Bond was designed to make people escape from real life and not think. Most "heroic" action figures would be monsters IRL.
I believe the movie was set in the 90's after the Cold War ended.
And he's not the only action hero I hate. I also hate any jerk hero played by actors like Arnold Schwarzenegger, Clint Eastwood, and others. They're all the same.
I have the right to feel the way I do about certain kinds of movies and I will keep voicing my opinions about them I don't care if people like it or not. Every movie deserves a critique.
11 Jan 2019, 3:36 am
TW1ZTY wrote:
ironpony wrote:
Goldeneye I agree with, that Bond actually went too far, and he should have some sort of consequence for that, or something.
I mean he goes too far a lot, which is part of the appeal of the character, but in Goldeneye he went too too far maybe.
I mean he goes too far a lot, which is part of the appeal of the character, but in Goldeneye he went too too far maybe.
The really horrible thing about it is that I get the feeling that real spies actually do do that sort of thing all the time and their government allows them to get away with it. They probably kill innocent people (or rather people who don't actually deserve to die) all the time and the governments cover it all up because they need them to "take down the enemy".
Some people call it the lesser of two evils, I call it corruption and BS.
Well in real life actually their is no licence to kill when it comes to the British M16 cause if the actually had licences to kill, the government would be under serious damage control. I think that if James Bond did kill all those guys in real life, he would most likely be fired for causing the diplomatic headaches. Maybe not actually prosecuted cause they want to avoid a public trial, but definitely fired.
Or maybe they will have one of those secret trials for reasons of national security, like the kind that Snowden was trying to escape.
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11 Jan 2019, 4:15 am
TW1ZTY wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
He was of his time.
The people he killed were bad guys. The women he flirted and bedded consented. In the real world, it was and is not so simple but these people were fictional fantasy characters. Fantasy, very few of us do not fantasize about the people we find extremely attractive wanting to sleep with us.
The fantasy bad guys he killed did not have a good side or a family they left behind.
The people he killed were bad guys. The women he flirted and bedded consented. In the real world, it was and is not so simple but these people were fictional fantasy characters. Fantasy, very few of us do not fantasize about the people we find extremely attractive wanting to sleep with us.
The fantasy bad guys he killed did not have a good side or a family they left behind.
In movies like Goldeneye he killed Russian soldiers who were just doing their jobs out of loyalty to their own country and his contact 006 even killed a random Russian scientist in cold blood while Bond didn't bat an eyelash about it. In fact there is a scene where he shoots and kills Russian soldiers while escaping the Military Archives after he and that girl were arrested under suspicion of being responsible for the terror attacks in Russia. The Russian official realized they were innocent and was prepared to let them go but then the Russian General showed up and murdered the Russian official and the soldier in the room (because this general was the actual criminal) and he framed 007 and the girl for his murder and sent his soldiers who had no idea what was really going on to arrest Bond. So basically Bond killed a bunch of soldiers who were just following orders and had no idea that they were being used by the real enemy to their country.
Yes, I think he's a monster.
IRL most soldiers are "just doing their jobs" but in the context of a cold war fantasy, the Russians soldiers had no redeeming features. James Bond was designed to make people escape from real life and not think. Most "heroic" action figures would be monsters IRL.
I believe the movie was set in the 90's after the Cold War ended.
And he's not the only action hero I hate. I also hate any jerk hero played by actors like Arnold Schwarzenegger, Clint Eastwood, and others. They're all the same.
I have the right to feel the way I do about certain kinds of movies and I will keep voicing my opinions about them I don't care if people like it or not. Every movie deserves a critique.
The Cold War was over but a significant part of the audience was not over it or the era.
Is James Bond Still a Big Gun? - Entertainment Weekly - November 17, 1995
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Clearly, these are trying times for 007. Six long years have passed since the character last appeared on movie screens. The Cold War is over. The old reliable supervillains — SMERSH, S.P.E.C.T.R.E., the KGB — have all been retired to the ash heap of history. Even women are different in the 1990s — it’s almost impossible to find one named p**** Galore anymore.
Unlike the last few films — which flirted with such un-Bond concepts as monogamy and serious character development — Goldeneye is clearly trying to recapture that old Bond magic. All the classic ingredients have been poured into this one and stirred slightly, but not shaken too much.
”We kept getting letters from people asking us to give them back Bond,” explains coproducer Barbara Broccoli, daughter of legendary Bond producer Albert ”Cubby” Broccoli. ”So we tried to distill it. We tried to get back to the essence of Bond.”
The producers went looking for a new Bond — and a new concept. They toyed with the idea of making 007 a woman. Of making him black. Of making a period piece set in the 1960s. They even considered Connery’s idea of pursuing Quentin Tarantino to direct (they went with British director Martin Campbell, who made last year’s sci-fi prison movie No Escape). Ultimately, they chose to return to basics, bringing back the Aston Martin, the shaken martinis, the pneumatically gifted female companions. ”Bond is not PC,” says coproducer Michael Wilson, Cubby Broccoli’s stepson (Broccoli, 86, has a ”presents” credit on the film but has been recuperating from a heart attack he suffered last summer). ”If you expect this guy to know how to change diapers, you’re going to be sorely disappointed.”
Unlike the last few films — which flirted with such un-Bond concepts as monogamy and serious character development — Goldeneye is clearly trying to recapture that old Bond magic. All the classic ingredients have been poured into this one and stirred slightly, but not shaken too much.
”We kept getting letters from people asking us to give them back Bond,” explains coproducer Barbara Broccoli, daughter of legendary Bond producer Albert ”Cubby” Broccoli. ”So we tried to distill it. We tried to get back to the essence of Bond.”
The producers went looking for a new Bond — and a new concept. They toyed with the idea of making 007 a woman. Of making him black. Of making a period piece set in the 1960s. They even considered Connery’s idea of pursuing Quentin Tarantino to direct (they went with British director Martin Campbell, who made last year’s sci-fi prison movie No Escape). Ultimately, they chose to return to basics, bringing back the Aston Martin, the shaken martinis, the pneumatically gifted female companions. ”Bond is not PC,” says coproducer Michael Wilson, Cubby Broccoli’s stepson (Broccoli, 86, has a ”presents” credit on the film but has been recuperating from a heart attack he suffered last summer). ”If you expect this guy to know how to change diapers, you’re going to be sorely disappointed.”
And you are right in a sense that Bond is a “classy” version of Dirty Harry. And I am in no way saying you should not be able to express an alternative opinion of James Bond in a James Bond thread in an Autism forum.
