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23 Oct 2018, 8:10 pm


https://youtu.be/wHWbZmg2hzU

It has become clear there is some misunderstanding of Nietzsche's philosophy...
Many people equate his teachings with Nazism...
Personally I have profound doubts about him echoing Nazi Philosophy...
It is my casual belief that Nietzsche's intellectual constructs were hijacked and perverted by the Nazi regime...
I am confident that after this study the Truth shall prevail! ;)

This is a very basic introduction to the philosophy of Nietzsche...
Most people in this forum would be well beyond this but there are people, including myself, who haven't studied him in depth.

My assumption is that this podcast is accurate, limited only by its rudimentary presentation...
Please correct me if I am wrong...

Having watched the video I feel that I have little affinity with many of the aspects of his "weltanschauung" and think it more relevant to neurotypicals who obsess about social status, but I have enough life experience to know it is lazy and lacks intellectual integrity to simply throw out the baby with the bath water...

Now, without further ado, I give you an introduction of the philosophy of Nietzsche...
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23 Oct 2018, 9:50 pm

I have the Walter Kaufmann brick "Basic Writings of Nietzche" sitting on my night stand and I have to jump back into it once work isn't taking every waking moment. When I do get through that I'll probably have a lot more to say on him, and my guess is that there are probably a lot of hidden gems throughout his works that are more in the subtleties than the overtures.


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23 Oct 2018, 10:00 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
and my guess is that there are probably a lot of hidden gems throughout his works that are more in the subtleties than the overtures.


Please don't dismiss the overture...
It is quite entertaining... ;)

https://youtu.be/F-t8PngHgWY


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23 Oct 2018, 10:49 pm

Nietzsche mistake is assuming that there's a right way to live.


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23 Oct 2018, 10:52 pm

If there's a wrong way there's probably at least some haloed/spread zone one could at least call right-ish.


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23 Oct 2018, 11:04 pm

From the Nazis to Ayn Rand, the right had only understood Nietzshce on a very superficial level.


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23 Oct 2018, 11:24 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
If there's a wrong way there's probably at least some haloed/spread zone one could at least call right-ish.

Nietzsche appears to argue

1. reject moral codes, especially dogmatic moral codes.

He even calls himself an "immoralist".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche

2. The "right way to live" is to "BE WHO YOU ARE".

A favorite motto of his: "Become what you are."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche


Are you a flaming racist? Then be who you are, and join NAZI groups.


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23 Oct 2018, 11:31 pm

The evil Sith in Star Wars are said to be adapted based on Nietzsche's philosophy.

1. Immoralist
2. "Be who you are"

You are completely detached from morality, and you put yourself above everything else

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24 Oct 2018, 12:59 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth ... -Nietzsche

His sister, and the reason for the whole Nazi association.


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24 Oct 2018, 1:21 am

Pepe wrote:
Personally I have profound doubts about him echoing Nazi Philosophy...


He can't echo it, since he came first.


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24 Oct 2018, 1:22 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
If there's a wrong way there's probably at least some haloed/spread zone one could at least call right-ish.

Nietzsche appears to argue

1. reject moral codes, especially dogmatic moral codes.

He even calls himself an "immoralist".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche

2. The "right way to live" is to "BE WHO YOU ARE".

A favorite motto of his: "Become what you are."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche


Are you a flaming racist? Then be who you are, and join NAZI groups.



Nietzche actually despised Antisemites, and it a tragedy that his writings were misused by his Antisemitic sister and brother-in-law.


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24 Oct 2018, 1:56 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Nietzche actually despised Antisemites, and it a tragedy that his writings were misused by his Antisemitic sister and brother-in-law.

It would be a contradiction of his philosophy for him to despise people for "becoming who they are".

That was his stated philosophy.

He goes around telling people, "Be who you are, don't be guided by morality".

So, he appreciates the racist, the NAZI, mass murderer, criminal for "being who they are", not despises them.


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24 Oct 2018, 2:10 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Nietzche actually despised Antisemites, and it a tragedy that his writings were misused by his Antisemitic sister and brother-in-law.

It would be a contradiction of his philosophy for him to despise people for "becoming who they are".

That was his stated philosophy.

He goes around telling people, "Be who you are, don't be guided by morality".

So, he appreciates the racist, the NAZI, mass murderer, criminal for "being who they are", not despises them.

Just doing a quick search validates this ...

But Nietzsche, Holub is quick to qualify, was no friend to the Jews, ether. Even his seemingly positive remarks “often amount to a validation of existing stereotypes.” Moreover, Nietzsche held views that “we would categorize today as biased and perhaps even racist.”
https://mosaicmagazine.com/picks/2017/0 ... or-was-he/


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24 Oct 2018, 2:18 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Nietzche actually despised Antisemites, and it a tragedy that his writings were misused by his Antisemitic sister and brother-in-law.

It would be a contradiction of his philosophy for him to despise people for "becoming who they are".

That was his stated philosophy.

He goes around telling people, "Be who you are, don't be guided by morality".

So, he appreciates the racist, the NAZI, mass murderer, criminal for "being who they are", not despises them.


Those could all be moralities, though. Nazism is a morality, not who someone inherently is.


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24 Oct 2018, 4:57 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
The evil Sith in Star Wars are said to be adapted based on Nietzsche's philosophy.

1. Immoralist
2. "Be who you are"

You are completely detached from morality, and you put yourself above everything else

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I get the impression you think that being a "free spirit" or uberman means you are a completely self absorbed anti-social psychopath...
Even a psychopath has a choice and doesn't have to be an anti-social personality type...

Also, consider that there are social consequences to your actions...
You can't just behave anyway you want despite your personal lack of social parameters...

And you are also forgetting that different people have inherently unique personalities, meaning you can't make the assumption that everyone is going to gravitate to the dark side...(pun intended)...

Also, consider the atheist...
I suspect most "enlightened" atheists would embrace the concept that morality is essentially an arbitrary social convention with, at times, an inherent genetic predisposition towards what society would call a moral compass...

If you think about it, atheists have aspects of Nietzsche's "ubermen" too...
Move over Sith Lord... :mrgreen:


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24 Oct 2018, 5:11 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Nietzche actually despised Antisemites, and it a tragedy that his writings were misused by his Antisemitic sister and brother-in-law.

It would be a contradiction of his philosophy for him to despise people for "becoming who they are".

That was his stated philosophy.

He goes around telling people, "Be who you are, don't be guided by morality".

So, he appreciates the racist, the NAZI, mass murderer, criminal for "being who they are", not despises them.

Just doing a quick search validates this ...

But Nietzsche, Holub is quick to qualify, was no friend to the Jews, ether. Even his seemingly positive remarks “often amount to a validation of existing stereotypes.” Moreover, Nietzsche held views that “we would categorize today as biased and perhaps even racist.”
https://mosaicmagazine.com/picks/2017/0 ... or-was-he/


I also did a quick Google and discovered many arguments denying he was anti-semitic...
I don't feel like engaging in a URL war at this stage, however... ;)
Maybe latter...

Personally I don't think it is definitive either way at this stage...:mrgreen:


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