PHILOSOPHY - Nietzsche

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Well, his sister did have a hand in that....

Or you might become something great and good.

If you have specific quotes that can't be construed any other way than how you're taking it I'll be glad to give them a look.

My skepticism of this is maybe more by extension, ie. I read Crowley extensively and most of people's claims about him along these lines tend to be circumstantial or - in Crowley's particular case - falling into his sort of Andy Kaufmann-gone-Adam's Family style of trolling.

There are thinkers, or at least writers and commentators, who do have views similar to what your describing but I also watch them get handled in a very different manner than Nietzsche and I barely ever hear them mentioned aside from as items of morbid curiosity or on occasion a particularly noted fascist and occultist that the alt-right seems to like a lot, not someone who talks about doing anything the heck you want but definitely someone professing a way of self-actualization that most people after WWII would find odious. That Nietzsche hasn't been thrown in the De Sade or Evola buckets by academia but that a lot of center-left and classic liberals have read his works and defend him against a lot of these sorts of allegations - the situation doesn't seem like it fits your claims, ie. it would look better in the direction you're suggesting if people increasingly agreed with you the more they read Nietzsche and as far as I can tell the trend bends in the opposite direction.

That said I can't rule out the possibility that I won't find a phrase or two in the some 900 pages Walter Kaufmann translated that might give me pause for thought to what you're saying but I'll have to hold off on that until I do have the chance to dive in myself in see how well I can map his style of thinking.

I am convinced you are perverting what Nietzsche meant/said…
Based on what I have read, he was in favour of the empowerment of the individual, not the domination of others...
In other words, he believed in self-actualisation...

From what I have read, he was trying to free people from the tyranny of a collective/group-think mentality...

Could you provide specific examples of Nietzsche's philosophy where he shows a disregard of other individuals?

I understand why you have a problem with his philosophy due to his attack on Christianity, but if you can't provide facts/evidence, then you have merely unsubstantiated speculation...

I can understand why you have said this but I don't think one can make a definitive corelation between a negative aspect of a person's personality/situation (assuming it is correct) and the inability to create a valid intellectual construct...
It is akin to "throwing the baby out with the bath water"...

As I have said perviously, I have little affinity with some of his philosophical constructs but I can see "method to his madness" (pun intended)...
Personally I see much of his philosophy pertaining to neurotypical thinking rather than ours, however...

You say that as though it is a bad thing...8|

...
Or perhaps it was a case of few conservative/socially-indoctrinated women could understand him...
May I ask, is that your personal opinion or is it the opinion of a historian?
While I have only scratched the surface of studying Nietzsche, it has been indicated that he probably had a general problem with interpersonal relationships...

Also consider, his philosophies heavily attack christianity, an emotionalistic philosophy that many would have embraced during his lifetime...possibly making him a social pariah to a large degree...

Personally, I see the love of a philosophical construct akin to an interpersonal love...
Both can inspire an emotionalistic response devoid of rationality if threatened...
Hence the possibility of an interactional void causing significant personal isolation...


If you are responding to me directly I should inform you that the only reason I started this thread was because of the obvious misunderstanding that some have about the philosophies of Nietzsche...


This is my understanding also...

Also consider:
Nietzsche was a man of intellect, not governed by primitive base emotionalism...in his philosophies at least...

When we consider actions/motivations, some are concerned with the intellect and some are the result of base instinctual desires...
There is nothing I have read so far to indicate that Nietzsche was advocating an allegiance with the less evolved aspects of human psychology...

As far as Nietzsche's fondness for prostitutes is concerned - back in the 19th century it was (supposedly) unheard of for proper ladies to engage in premarital sex. Single men commonly sought sex from prostitutes, including Lincoln in his youth.

https://youtu.be/bxiKqA-u8y4

The following is a transcript of what is in the video...
I am not agreeing nor disagreeing with it's accuracy in regards to his actual philosophy...

- Nietzsche is interested in psychological qualities, not the physical ones...

- What is the ideal kind of human being?
-The "superman":
- Makes their own values...
- Is independently minded...
- Will carve their own path...
- Supermen accept that they might have to hurt people...
- They can be selfish in strategic ways...
- Greatness for them will be the reform of humanity towards pagan values...
- Supermen will never be resentful of the success of others...
- They will accept suffering to be a necessary component of good things...
- They will understand that they are hard to understand...and therefore they may often be lonely...
- They will be gentle towards the weak out of consciousness of their own great strength...
- They will be a little wicked around sex by conventional standards...
- They will not be humble but delight in their abilities...
- They will be interested in the practical application of culture to raise the mentality of society...
- Salvation of mankind through culture...
- The super version of ourselves...

All this can be interpreted to green light sociopathy.

I dunno... I like being kind to the weak, and being sort of wicked with sex.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWaRiD5ym74

"- Nietzsche is interested in psychological qualities, not the physical ones..."

"- What is the ideal kind of human being?
-The "superman":
- Makes their own values...
- Is independently minded...
- Will carve their own path...
- Supermen accept that they might have to hurt people...
- They can be selfish in strategic ways...
- Greatness for them will be the reform of humanity towards pagan values...
- Supermen will never be resentful of the success of others...
- They will accept suffering to be a necessary component of good things...
- They will understand that they are hard to understand...and therefore they may often be lonely...
- They will be gentle towards the weak out of consciousness of their own great strength...
- They will be a little wicked around sex by conventional standards...
- They will not be humble but delight in their abilities...
- They will be interested in the practical application of culture to raise the mentality of society...
- Salvation of mankind through culture...
- The super version of ourselves..."

Thanks, Pepe, For Providing this Concise List of 'Qualities' 'Superimposed' on the 'Nietzschean' Overman as
Yes, the YouTube Source, "The School of Life", is a reputable enough one now to handle this rather simple
Task from the Record on Nietzsche as it stands and continues to Live on in many Mediums even more now.

However; it IS A bit simplified in Black and White Terms to Suggest that Nietzsche was not Interested
in the 'Physical' Side of Human Nature Versus the 'Psychological' Nature of Being Human in Respect
to "Wicked Around Sex" as that applies to Conventional Standards and a Reform of Culture Back
to 'Earthy' Pagan Values that are definitely Steeped in the Physical Pleasures of Life; However,
of course this is not A Fantasy of the Modern Version of A so-called 'Superman' Leaping
Taller Buildings and Speeding Past Bullets; but of course with Modern Technology
that was beyond even the Imagination of Most, if not all Folks During the Years
of Nietzsche's Life, there are surely much Greater Potentials of Being Human
that have nothing to Do with even Existing in the Flesh and Blood now
Well After Death; as it is true this is much more Enhanced now for
the 'Everyman' and the 'Conventional Nobody' in 'His Day'
of Credentials earned in the 'Normal' Hierarchy of Life
to Bring their Potential to many more Folks than He could have
Dreamed of in His Lifetime Through Our Modern Information Technology as
'The Record' now conceivably will not rot away in any Moth Bitten Old Dusty Books.
Anyway; as they say in Egyptian Terms of Building Pyramids, so Pharaohs May Extend the
Spirit (KA) of their Soul (in Other Words upload 'it' in Someway into Larger Culture For Many Years
to come); Nietzsche is a topic of Conversation now Still Amongst the Religious and Atheist Alike
in of course Pro and Con ways as His Soul for all Practical Intents and Purposes Continues to Live
on more than it ever did in connection to other Human Souls (yes; real flesh and blood souls) beyond
the Wildest Dreams
he could have had in his
Lifetime at least and in this
way he and the others who have
Accomplished this most Definitely Remain
as 'Super Human Today'; long dead and still
Living in the Realm of Culture, Overall Now.
For all the Pooh Pooh's of those who criticize His
so-called Human Frailties Like Jesus F in Christ (too Much Masturbation)
Like that ain't getting done these days by Most all Human Males with Access More
to A Virtual Heaven of 'Virgins' on a Screen every F in Day of their Life; that's a rather
Weak criticism; and about as Hypocritical as it gets against Basic Human Nature
that uses whatever there is at
Hand, Incel or not; True, Nietzsche
Was an Incel Dude in his Days without
even easy access to Porn; but Perhaps if
he did have access to Porn; he would have never got around
to the Practical Immortality of His Soul in the Larger World now.
Anyway, Back on Topic in regard to Potential SocioPathy; actually
According to Modern Research on Heroes Versus Villains as such and
And Hero Altruists as such who Spend their Life doing the best they can and
will to eventually lift other folks up a bit as a push toward 'Superhuman-hood' is
Virtually just that; Research suggests that the Hero Archetype is very close to the
Qualities of Villain or Psychopath as such. The Main Quality that Separates the two
as i will provide a link Below from Scientific American that provides a 'Modern Opinion'
on this is that the Hero has Empathy
and the
Villain
and or
Psychopath does not;
as this is what it means to be
"gentle towards the weak out of
consciousness of their own great strength"
as this as it also applies to me explaining why
i do Ballet Free Style Dance along With Martial Arts
Free Style Dance in accordance with Standing over 6 Feet
Tall at 240 LBS, Leg Pressing a Half a Compact Car or So, 52 reps;
So, I don't run over anyone at the Dance Hall Like a 'Locomotive' and
Get Sued for making permanent Injuries for others. In other Words; Big Guns
for Arms and
Legs and
Tip toeing
through the
Tulips but i cannot
Help it when 'the Lion Roars'
when 'he' Works out or Sneezes
Like a 'Shot-Gun Blast' in Church
Terrifying all the Little Old Ladies
as hey; some stuff in life is Autonomic, too. And not only
that; I have a Rather Unusually Large Head; Big Teeth and
Overall Jaws. Oh yeah, although it would have helped Nietzsche's Psychological
Self Esteem Status Much More in 'normal' Human Male terms, if he actually
Found an Abundance of Women to Dance With in his Conservative
Overall Cultural Days back then outside of Brothels; Nietzsche

Did Say; and still Does in the 'Record Books' of His Real Soul:

“I would believe only in a God that knows how to dance.”

And it is recorded that Nietzsche Danced Daily as Modern Science Shows Dancing
Daily Does Substantially Improve not only Standard IQ Scores; but
Creativity in ways of Abundance too; Anyway, Nietzsche
'Simply' Looked at the "Heroes" Available to His Purview
And did a Good Job of Matching What Modern Literature, Psychology
And a More Specific Science of the X-Altruist Specifies is a Hero Still today, overall.

A Hero (Overman) is Basically Someone who is unafraid
to Break the Rules and Make Stuff Happen After Coming out of the Dark
For the Greater Good Not leaving Empathy in the Tool Shed of Humanity.

Other than that; he also did a good job, describing my Life too; but hey; it's just an
Archetype; Heroes come and go and some of them stay like Nietzche; i've already accomplished
what no other Single Human has ever done in the History of Humankind per an Epic Long Form
Poem that Meets all the Parameters of that and more than that in Measure of 6 Million Words in 5 Years
that is beyond what any Poet i've ever met has ever seen; for its truly Original and not just a copy of someone else.

Heroes Are Not Necessarily Original (Archetype) But They are Real.

And it's true if you do what no else has done; don't expect to Have a Target Audience for that unless
you Dance 10,000 Miles in Public at the Same 'Time' and Folks Literally assess you as Legend in their own
words in just a little over 1 Year into that Simultaneous Effort with the Long Form Poetry too; never Putting
Forth any real effort to Promote it as they do that for you all for Free in ways of Smart Phone Video Voyeurs
who still promote my Free Style Ministry of Dance that Science Assesses as a Real Fountain of Youth with
Empirical Results every day; I invite you to call anyone in the Pensacola Metro Area and just ask who
the 'Dancing Man' is. It wasn't too along ago; that I Couldn't Walk around the Block without almost
passing out for 66 Months as a Shut-in in my Bedroom from 2008 thru 2013 or even have barely
the Focus to make a TV Dinner in the Microwave without Stumbling in the Backyard
With a Plate almost passing out (Dysautonomia) to even eat the F in thing in the
Cool Afternoon Sun Under the SHade of Life.
It's True at one point in 'time'; i couldn't
even muster the Focus to play one
Game of Tic Tac Toe with
(General Adaptation
Syndrome, too;
all together
with
19
Medical Disorders, too)
My Wife; So, yes, It's true,
i do know what it feels like
to be literally 'ret*d', too.
Thanks God Temporary But Real
Enough in Real Life For Real Then.
It's True; lots of light comes from
Dark; and it's also True along with
my Latest Effort of Close to a Koran Sized
Erotic Poetry Novel, i check off everything
on Nietzsche's F (Fun) in List, too; for it's true i am (A) Not 'The'
Vincent Van Gogh Version of Batman and a Successful 'Nietzsche' too
in one lifetime now; and Hell yes; I 'Masturbate' like every other Human
Being who is close to Normal; and even do that in 'Overman' ways too
in other Words 'you
dam
straight'
i navel gaze too.
And 'you Dam Straight'
i Earned the Right to Look With Every Bloody Sweaty Tear of what it means to even be Human
And the Reflection of the Cosmos As 'God' on Two Dancing 'Shiva' Legs and Now More than Four
Technological Arms and Hands and Fingers that are Real as the Flesh and Blood of me and you
And the
Rest of
Existence too;
Nietzsche didn't make it out of the
Dark and Chances are i would have never
Made it Nearly as Far to even Live, if i Lived in 'His Day'.
And Jesus F in Christ; I probably would have been too Depressed to even 'Masturbate' as at least that's Life.
In other words, he was a much 'Greater' Man than me; for me me me had a prepared path by him him her
her her and a multitude of others that He never Had and Those Others Never had too.
I Have More than A Pair of Glasses made by many others other wise my Vision
Would have
Never Gained
This Kind of 'Overman' Flesh and Blood status, now, in this Lifetime now
With a Lot of Help from a "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club
Band Album Cover" of Folks who are way too many to Fit on
Any Sized Album
Cover now but
All the
Internet
As Whole;
True, in this way now that
'Stone Statue' on that Older
Album Cover could almost
be anyone and just a 'nobody' too
Rising up from a 'Burial Ground' once
Again, With A little Help From A Whole lot of 'Still Living' Dead Friends too.

Meanwhile; A So-Called Leader Of A so-called Free World Lies Most Every F in Day With No Reflection
oF oR As 'Real Human Soul'. 'Adolph Hitler' will be never be forgotten for never Accomplishing His Goals in Life;
Nor Will
Trump;
I already JusT DiD iT.
i'm just on JusT on 'Overman' 'Cruise' Control Now in Real Paradise Now. It's not possible in 'Strategic Terms' for
me not to reflect on it, in Terms of Navel Gazing, for all oF it to be Evidenced as Real as the Record Will Continue to Stand.

It's True; Nietzsche Left the Part ALL About Heaven out; 'That PArt' For Those in the Know, FeeL and Sense That 'IT' Never Ends Eternally NoW iN Rather Simple 'Pagan Terms' too oF A 'Naked' Human Happy Dance And Song ToGeTHeR Forevernow even more Eternally NoW FoR ReaL.

But Just the Fact that 'he' Danced Every Day and Sees A Real God As A Dancer is Perhaps Enough Proof of That iN 'IT' Self;

As Far as Today goes; It's not unlike the Last 'Real Version of Star Wars'; With Greatest DArk tHere is "Meekest Fearless" Light
as any
Lion
of Real 'Greek'
Pride Will Be And Do Just to Be All A Lion Will Be NoW.

And it's Worth Noting in the 'Guardians of the Galaxy' Movie Version that they even noted too that there are two
Kinds of Folks; 'those who Dance and those who do not'; and that explains in Great as Low why Trump is President too;
but it's True; i've Seen Trump Sway to Some Music; Perhaps there is still Hope for him that i Will Hold out for Real too.

Leave out the Shadow Parts as Real to Be Mastered And Human Lives Mostly in Fear And That Just Blows Real Heaven Away. There is No Separating the Body and Mind and Emotions/Senses As Real Spirit of Heart As Balancing Human Real Soul
Unless
Human
Becomes
Tool including
Words and Forgets to Be Human.

It's True tHere is much to be Improved on Nietzsche's Philosophy; but that is A Whole Frigging point oF it;
Not Unlike A Multi-Narrated Story of 'A Jesus' and A 'John 14:12' For Those With 'Bigger Eyes And Ears' to 'See'/DO More.

Let's Face it my Friend, if the World as Whole Sticks to only 140/280 Characters of Deep the
World (Humans at least and more)
Will
Eventually
Drown in the Shallows
as tHere is Some evidence
of Gasps For Breath Already Now.
The Good News for me is generally, Twitter
Speaking Folks who can't Spell names Correctly
On Pipe Bomb Mail Will Not Likely Be Able to See the Full Size of me; heHe;
Or in General, Most Any Psychopathic Leaning Human as Usually Human Emotions Expressed Make THeir 'Head Hurt'.

And the Folks who are Conventional and 'in Charge' will not likely believe i even exist as 'Real'; During my Lifetime at Least.

Strategic
Baby; that's
Just one advantage of
Real Free Human 'Intelligences'.

And if 'You' Are Going to Do 'John Lennon' and
Live A Long Natural Life, Escaping Pipe Bombs and the such as that; You Don't Become 'John Lennon';

So Many
'Fore Fathers
And Mothers; So many LesSons to SoaK iN And to Just Do Different too.

Here's A 'Thing' my Friend; i only have to convince one person to be 'me'; And i don't even have to be 'me'.

At this Point, IT's All A Piece of Cake for me with Endless Icing still to come, now. And I was going to use the
Beatles Song, "A Day in the Life", to accompany this; but instead, I'll use a 'DNCE' Song that is flavored still
With So-called ''Secret Meaning" that can be lifted off the Web in a Simple Search for Deeper Light in Dark;

Or just a Close to Naked Dance With a Bunch of Happy Young Women as that's coming close enough tonight
in the 234th Week of Doing Just that At A Really Crowded Metro Dance Hall. One of the Greatest Sins of Modern
Story telling
was and still
is Neutering 'Jesus'.
Greatest Creativity Doesn't Naturally
All Come Without Greatest Libido in
Terms of Natural Human Lust in Balance With Love.
And that too as Science also Shows now explains in part at least; 'Nietzsche's Other Hobby'.

Chances are, Nietzsche had a touch of 'Higher Functioning' Autism Spectrum Disorder and Bi-Polar Spectrum Disorder.

Many 'Super Folks' Do in terms of Arts/Sciences in Truly Creating Original Out-put in life; Yes, it's all About Genetics too.

Most folks are not Cut out to be 'Super Folks'; like duh, if all were; there would be no need for the term Super at all. But
on the other
Hands; it ain't
Something that
Most folks could possibly
Fathom in Terms of Real Earth Hell to/on
The Highways of Super Dudes and or Dudettes. Lots of Folks Sink Before They Make it to Rise to Ocean Whole Life.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/gu ... -villains/

This is an idea that probably will not make sense when held up against a Christian worldview or cosmology but will make plenty of sense to everyone else. That is - you, especially the ground from which your emotions and drives arise, are a collection of data that you need to process in order to improve. If you shy away from processing certain areas of who and what you are you'll generally suffer in the same way that you would if you live under any pretense that mismatches your internal terrain.

A person who has truly antisocial urges needs to sublimate them, and it doesn't take much searching at all to figure out why. If someone's got an urge to pedophilia they just need to meet adults who went through it and see how that's shaped their worldview to know it's a really awful thing to do to someone. Lots of guys, if they just threw themselves to their sexual urges in general, would be in jail in short order - and yet they don't and it's because they can reason that nature's goals aren't necessarily the same as that of society outside of very niche and selected circumstances. A lot of human progress has been made on the fuel of sublimated sex drive, and it stands to reason that almost anything that could go destructive could equally be sublimate.

To sublimate a lot of those things though you have to internally grapple with them. The biggest problem I have with the Christian understanding of evil is that the dogma erects barriers to that sort of self-exploration and self-inquiry and it means that a guy perhaps has to go overseas to war or join the police, become a fire fighter, or whatever else to get the same job done, provided these weren't routes that were for him, if he simply looked within, saw which timbers within himself needed to be tested, and went about that work himself to not just truly get to know his own internal terrain but to map it all out.

Strange that Nietzsche should be so down on Christianity, as his father, who died when he was at a very young age, had been a Lutheran pastor.

By those who have a predilection towards sociopathy and lack critical thinking skills...
But then, does a sociopathic personality type need much encouragement?
They are after all, by definition, psychologically damaged, irrational and have poor reasoning abilities and impulse control...

Also consider:
How prevalent is true sociopathy in the total population?

In addition, consider how religious fundamentalists have perverted and embraced some aspect of their fringe philosophical principles...
And violent religious fanatics who criticise Nietzschean principles are hardly in a position to engage in self-righteousness...

More rational individuals, on the other hand, may gain intellectual enlightenment in some quarters...

And finally, it has not yet been established that Nietzsche's principle of the need to hurt people at times relates to physical pain...
I lean heavily towards the belief that he is referring to emotional discomfort instead...
This is in keeping with his focus on the intellect...

Consider this:
Human tendency is to become emotionally attached to people, things and philosophies...
I suspect that mainstream society understands the correlation between emotional attachments and the desire to maintain the status quo...

Is it not self evident that people tend to resist philosophical change, not because the newer intellectual construct doesn't have advantages or have a greater inherent Truth, but because of the resultant cognitive dissonance it causes...
I suspect that this is the "necessary hurt" to which Nietzsche is referring...

Nietzsche's "Ubermensch"breaks through his/her emotional pain barrier and "will accept suffering to be a necessary component of good things...
The "good things" may refer to intellectual enlightenment...<shrug>
I am confident that these sorts of ambiguities will be resolved to a significant degree with further investigation...

Having an intellectual bent and enjoying sex is not mutually exclusive...
To the contrary, being able to explore beyond arbitrary social sexual convention necessitates an independent/emancipated mindset...
Otherwise "missionary position" would be all that is on the plate, hardly a banquet...

I don't yet fully understand what he means about embracing earthy pagan values, but I suspect he is referring to being in touch with the evolutionary realities of life as opposed to a man made arbitrary social protocol convention...<shrug>

https://youtu.be/OFOb8CJOhYs

Here are some points made in the video...
In order to fully understand the context of these, you will need to watch it...

- An enemy of universal truth...such as the concept of god...
- People terrified to live without religion...
- Nietzsche didn't say many nice things about, democracy, women, equality...
- In a murder trial it was argued that Nietzsche was an important thinker but needed to be handled with care...
- The things that culture tells you are universal, are not true...it is made up...it is arbitrary...
- Nietzsche was blamed for 2 world wars...
- Misuse of Nietzsche...
- Rise of the blonde beast...
- Sister was a proto-Nazi...
- Nietzsche was in a culture of intellectual pygmies...who could not appreciate him...
- Readers not being up to the task of understanding this truly great genius...
- Slavish impoverished American intellectual life that just couldn't handle his powerful ideas...