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05 Nov 2018, 11:41 am

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The only way I'd get pregnant is if I was raped. If I get raped, and I get pregnant, I'm getting an abortion.

No one has the right to use my body to make a baby against my will. I do not want to give birth, and I do not want to be pregnant. I have a right not to be pregnant.

No one has ever presented me with an argument to change my mind.


I desperately want a child.

If that happened I would quite willingly offer to adopt.

If that is something you are unwilling than I would be sick. To waste something so wonderful, that for years has caused me pain just to see others with children because I have none.To have that in your hand and crush it, throw it away and laugh in the face of those who have yearned for it, or have lost children of their own is sick.

A rape is the worst crime possible against humanity. Punish the one responsible and allow the one conceived, not of their own choice, through rape, to live on.


No.

I don't want to be pregnant, and I refuse to be. No one has the right to use my body to make a baby against my will.


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05 Nov 2018, 11:48 am

If we allowed unconditional euthanasia, I'd bet they'll be many people under 21 who will not be with us any more. Quite a waste, indeed.....



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05 Nov 2018, 12:03 pm

XFilesGeek wrote:
Arganger wrote:
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The only way I'd get pregnant is if I was raped. If I get raped, and I get pregnant, I'm getting an abortion.

No one has the right to use my body to make a baby against my will. I do not want to give birth, and I do not want to be pregnant. I have a right not to be pregnant.

No one has ever presented me with an argument to change my mind.


I desperately want a child.

If that happened I would quite willingly offer to adopt.

If that is something you are unwilling than I would be sick. To waste something so wonderful, that for years has caused me pain just to see others with children because I have none.To have that in your hand and crush it, throw it away and laugh in the face of those who have yearned for it, or have lost children of their own is sick.

A rape is the worst crime possible against humanity. Punish the one responsible and allow the one conceived, not of their own choice, through rape, to live on.


No.

I don't want to be pregnant, and I refuse to be. No one has the right to use my body to make a baby against my will.


No one does have the right to make a baby in you against your will, but after that baby is already there you don't (More accurately shouldn't) have the right to kill it. Because the child already exists, and is not the one at fault.



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05 Nov 2018, 12:47 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHimjVYsd6I

The Question of For and Against Abortion is an Interesting one. Perhaps a More Interesting
Answer is the Fact that Without Legal Abortion, there would still be Non-Medically UnSafe "Back
Alley Abortions" and more of a Potential for Unwanted Babies in Dumpsters too; illegal of Course
too; but never the Less, a Reality of Potentially Doing More Harm in both Misery and Suffering of what
Comes to Develop as Life; as well as Much More Potential of Permanent Disability and Death that a Mother
May Incur During a Non-Medically Safe Abortion, too; as the World Health Organization Keeps Measure of
this 'Third World Reality' in Terms of Human And Life Developing Additional Misery and Suffering. Mexico;
that is Largely Catholic In Terms of Religious Beliefs has as Many Illegal Abortions Performed there with the
Additional Disability and Misery in Suffering that comes along with that Versus the General Quantity of Abortions
Performed in the United States. After Roe vs Wade was enacted along with the Family Planning Services for General
Contraceptives that Came with That Against the so-called Abrahamic Faiths in the United States; Abortions went down
Rather than up; Simple Math; Education Spells Enlightenment and Yes Contraceptives are Effective Common Sense
to Prevent any Abortion that might otherwise occur without Effective Contraceptives now;

So, if Safe Medical Abortions that are Legal in the United States were actually ever abolished; the Research by the
World Health Organization makes the Clear and Present Greater Danger to Harm of Human Beings Overall Clear
As Evidence Still now.

There is No Catholic Peaceful Protest at an Abortion Clinic, to potentially Change the Future of an Abortion
in a Back Alley Abortion; or a Baby Discarded in a Dumpster; or what happened in my Locality that once held
the Record for the Most Churches Per Square Mile in the United States; where a Young Woman Hid her Pregnancy
out of Shame that she did not meet the Religious Requirement of Abstinence; and Birthed that Baby Dead in the
Woods Away from Her Home; while the Family Dog Brought the Evidence Later of that Baby in Parts to
the Family Home.

Ignorance Harms/Kills More Than Lifting the Veils of Ignorance now in the Original Greek Definition of
Apocalypse that means just that per yes, Specifically, Lifting the Veils of Ignorance Still Now When Real.

I Listened to that Ignorance from the Pastor Pulpit, Yesterday at Church, where i go for the Joy of Love
and Singing and nothing else but that; Makes Sense really if you are a Christian and Believe in that old
Adage of Loving it all as God And Do as You would Love to Do For Yourself to Your Neighbor too;
And that's gets Fuzzy; Some Men Love to Rape and Some Women don't wanna be any part of
that Love Flavor of Doing Life in Dark now too; as that comes in many 'Kavanaughed' Flavors
of Life Still Now that Meet what Some Men Love to Do; and Do Not Meet what Some Woman Love to Receive.

Anyway; the Priest Voted to tell everyone to Vote against the Democratic Party over this one Wedge issue
of Incredible Ignorance; while the Catholic Church does the most Ignorant part of this of all in disavowing
Contraceptives as what is an Actual Best Way to Prevent Abortions still in Family Planning ways. It's True
they could
be the
Big Bullies
from the Pulpit
to say they are right
with might no matter the
Additional Harm and Suffering
In Permanent Death and Disability
to all who are concerned in the Actual Birthing
Process now of Human Beings, All; Or they could
Lift the Veils of Ignorance Now and Promote Effective
Contraceptives and Do the Least Harm to others instead
of More Harm now; Life is not Black and White; Life is not Literally
this or that; What Life is is Complicated and Messy and all F'ed up too;
Lifting the
Veils
of
Ignorance
at least Helps
to Reduce Misery and
Suffering in Additional
Ways for all Human Beings Now As Whole.

Meanwhile, the Catholic Church completely ignores
the Fact that they Support A Party and a President that
goes totally against Matthew, Chapter 5, Verses 3 through
11 of the Beatitudes now; Out
of
Ignorance
into Light
Will be Nice
if the Catholic Church
and other Churches ever
Grow 'Balls' of Light in Truth
That sets us Freer out of the Dark
of Ignorance; Just waiting for a Real
Apocalypse to Lift the Veils of Ignorance more.

I go to Church For i am smART enough to Make a Difference
in a Place that Really Counts; where what i do affects and effects
Real Human Beings too; Case in point, where a Deacon Compared
Hurricanes and Homosexual Behavior to Evil; and Another Deacon
Stated Homosexuals and Single Mothers Were not Fit to Be Parents.

All it took was a 'Free Verse Poem' just about like this in an Email to
the Pastor, a Monsignor; who Just happens to be an Old Tennis Buddy from
High School With Me who Got into the Top 10 of Smart where i only Made
Number 11 out of a Class of 381. He Put an End to Both Deacons Doing that
After Two E-Mails from little old me; Just Swaying, Dancing, Singing With My
Wife each Sunday Still in the Back Pew now; Watching and Taking Notes as that
applies
to what
the Good Parts
of their Book Still
Says now; Being a Lawyer
is not Hard for me; it took
me Much Longer to becoMe an Artist to Actually Effect Change from
The Affect of what even works in Human Social Interactions to Effect Change now.
Trump is
A Dark
Version of
that; and i, among
many others are the
Lighter Versions of that;
Same Dance, Same Song
in Dark and Light NoW; Just
Different Players in the Dark and Light of What Is, Now Still.
I Couldn't Get 'Him' to Change His Mind on the Abortion Issue;
but
sure
just
give
me Enough Science With And In
Art And see what happens next..;)

Here's the thing; i've got some other
Sexual Orientations in 'My Family' More
Full of Love Than Most of the Folks who
Attend my Church(es) Can and WiLL Even Imagine, Now;

And My Mother Was Divorced Raising me; and did a Good
Enough Job as an F in 'Saint' to put up with all of me, then.


'You' Don't F With the Folks i Love and Get Away with That; At least
Not Where i Live NoW; wHere folks have to Face me Face to Face in Real LiFE NoW.

Here's A Thing;
i'm smART Enough
Not to Use any Metal
Swords; or Fists of Feet
of Fury, i Also Possess For Real Now;
Ain't NO Little Lamb here; JusT A CourAGE And heART oF A LioN.

Also Dedicated to All the 'Other Genders' of folks Who 'that'
"Other Party" Now Claims Don't Have A 'Right' to Determine
Who They are
in the So-Called United States;
A Version oF iT, Anyway, Now.

It's True;
i Might
Use This 'Receipt';
in Many Other 'Places; too..;)

Thanks For A Muse, As ALWaYS, NoW.


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05 Nov 2018, 12:57 pm

Arganger wrote:
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Arganger wrote:
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The only way I'd get pregnant is if I was raped. If I get raped, and I get pregnant, I'm getting an abortion.

No one has the right to use my body to make a baby against my will. I do not want to give birth, and I do not want to be pregnant. I have a right not to be pregnant.

No one has ever presented me with an argument to change my mind.


I desperately want a child.

If that happened I would quite willingly offer to adopt.

If that is something you are unwilling than I would be sick. To waste something so wonderful, that for years has caused me pain just to see others with children because I have none.To have that in your hand and crush it, throw it away and laugh in the face of those who have yearned for it, or have lost children of their own is sick.

A rape is the worst crime possible against humanity. Punish the one responsible and allow the one conceived, not of their own choice, through rape, to live on.


No.

I don't want to be pregnant, and I refuse to be. No one has the right to use my body to make a baby against my will.


No one does have the right to make a baby in you against your will, but after that baby is already there you don't (More accurately shouldn't) have the right to kill it. Because the child already exists, and is not the one at fault.


A fetus doesn't have the right to use my biological systems against my will. A fetus doesn't have more rights than I do, and no one has the right to force me to have a baby.

I don't consent to sex, and I don't consent to pregnancy.

If I get raped and pregnant, I'm aborting it. Luckily, I live in a sane, civilized country where abortion is legal.


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05 Nov 2018, 1:10 pm

guy opinion: fetuses are, essentially, parasites until they are born and as they aren't physically separate entities from their mothers - the mother has every right to get rid of such a parasite if unwanted as she has a right to total jurisdiction over her own body

it's not okay to force a pregnancy lr to force someone to carry it to term if unwanted

so many criminals and miserable people are unwanted children.



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05 Nov 2018, 1:10 pm

XFilesGeek wrote:
Arganger wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
Arganger wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
The only way I'd get pregnant is if I was raped. If I get raped, and I get pregnant, I'm getting an abortion.

No one has the right to use my body to make a baby against my will. I do not want to give birth, and I do not want to be pregnant. I have a right not to be pregnant.

No one has ever presented me with an argument to change my mind.


I desperately want a child.

If that happened I would quite willingly offer to adopt.

If that is something you are unwilling than I would be sick. To waste something so wonderful, that for years has caused me pain just to see others with children because I have none.To have that in your hand and crush it, throw it away and laugh in the face of those who have yearned for it, or have lost children of their own is sick.

A rape is the worst crime possible against humanity. Punish the one responsible and allow the one conceived, not of their own choice, through rape, to live on.


No.

I don't want to be pregnant, and I refuse to be. No one has the right to use my body to make a baby against my will.


No one does have the right to make a baby in you against your will, but after that baby is already there you don't (More accurately shouldn't) have the right to kill it. Because the child already exists, and is not the one at fault.


A fetus doesn't have the right to use my biological systems against my will. A fetus doesn't have more rights than I do, and no one has the right to force me to have a baby.

I don't consent to sex, and I don't consent to pregnancy.

If I get raped and pregnant, I'm aborting it. Luckily, I live in a sane, civilized country where abortion is legal.


It didn't choose to use your body. It did nothing.

Not killing the kid doesn't make it's rights more than yours. It means you don't force your will over it's life, and are willing to give up nine months or less in exchange for it's entire life. The fetus has much more to lose than you.

Once again, no one has the right to force you to become pregnant. But once you are, it isn't just about you. Two people are very much so affected, and the other one even more than you. Getting an abortion doesn't make you unpregnant.

I would say that there is nothing civilized about an abortion, but throughout history killing someone has always been legal. But seeing how often it has been legal to kill autistic people, I do not see how one can miss the relation.

I will use an example to explain my reasoning as I have before;
Lets say you have an organ stolen. One you can live without, and it is donated to an unsuspecting person.
If they lost the organ that was stolen from you they would die, and they did not know it came to them illegally.
Would you have the right to take back the organ, even though it would kill them, or would you go after the person that took your organ?



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05 Nov 2018, 1:21 pm

Arganger wrote:
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Arganger wrote:
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The only way I'd get pregnant is if I was raped. If I get raped, and I get pregnant, I'm getting an abortion.

No one has the right to use my body to make a baby against my will. I do not want to give birth, and I do not want to be pregnant. I have a right not to be pregnant.

No one has ever presented me with an argument to change my mind.


I desperately want a child.

If that happened I would quite willingly offer to adopt.

If that is something you are unwilling than I would be sick. To waste something so wonderful, that for years has caused me pain just to see others with children because I have none.To have that in your hand and crush it, throw it away and laugh in the face of those who have yearned for it, or have lost children of their own is sick.

A rape is the worst crime possible against humanity. Punish the one responsible and allow the one conceived, not of their own choice, through rape, to live on.


No.

I don't want to be pregnant, and I refuse to be. No one has the right to use my body to make a baby against my will.


No one does have the right to make a baby in you against your will, but after that baby is already there you don't (More accurately shouldn't) have the right to kill it. Because the child already exists, and is not the one at fault.


A fetus doesn't have the right to use my biological systems against my will. A fetus doesn't have more rights than I do, and no one has the right to force me to have a baby.

I don't consent to sex, and I don't consent to pregnancy.

If I get raped and pregnant, I'm aborting it. Luckily, I live in a sane, civilized country where abortion is legal.


It didn't choose to use your body. It did nothing.

Not killing the kid doesn't make it's rights more than yours. It means you don't force your will over it's life, and are willing to give up nine months or less in exchange for it's entire life. The fetus has much more to lose than you.

Once again, no one has the right to force you to become pregnant. But once you are, it isn't just about you. Two people are very much so affected, and the other one even more than you. Getting an abortion doesn't make you unpregnant.

I would say that there is nothing civilized about an abortion, but throughout history killing someone has always been legal. But seeing how often it has been legal to kill autistic people, I do not see how one can miss the relation.

I will use an example to explain my reasoning as I have before;
Lets say you have an organ stolen. One you can live without, and it is donated to an unsuspecting person.
If they lost the organ that was stolen from you they would die, and they did not know it came to them illegally.
Would you have the right to take back the organ, even though it would kill them, or would you go after the person that took your organ?


Actually, getting an abortion does, in fact, make me unpregnant.

A fetus doesn't have the right to use my biological systems against my will, and I don't grant any fetus permission to use my body for any reason. I don't want to be pregnant, and I have the right not to be.

And, seeing as how the person stole my organ committed a crime, I would have no problem taking my organ back.


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05 Nov 2018, 1:27 pm

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And, seeing as how the person stole my organ committed a crime, I would have no problem taking my organ back.


The unborn didn't commit any crime...

What if the person stealing the organ gave it to an innocent?


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05 Nov 2018, 1:30 pm

I'm not really talking about abortion here but I think that if we encouraged every country around the world to practice birth control and supplied help to our fellow humans in the third world we can cut back on the overgrowing human population that is destroying the world. Maybe we won't even have to fight as many wars if we kept the human population down?

There's too many unwanted or unplanned babies in this world.


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05 Nov 2018, 1:33 pm

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I'm not really talking about abortion here but I think that if we encouraged every country around the world to practice birth control and supplied help to our fellow humans in the third world we can cut back on the overgrowing human population that is destroying the world. Maybe we won't even have to fight as many wars if we kept the human population down?

There's too many unwanted or unplanned babies in this world.


I'm all for that.
I'm just against it once it starts hurting people, so I'm good with aid and birth control and sex ed.



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05 Nov 2018, 1:41 pm

Arganger wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
I'm not really talking about abortion here but I think that if we encouraged every country around the world to practice birth control and supplied help to our fellow humans in the third world we can cut back on the overgrowing human population that is destroying the world. Maybe we won't even have to fight as many wars if we kept the human population down?

There's too many unwanted or unplanned babies in this world.


I'm all for that.
I'm just against it once it starts hurting people, so I'm good with aid and birth control and sex ed.


I am too, but some people are actually against it for some reason. Don't they realize that there's way too many humans in the world and that's a really bad thing? :?

I think we need to do something about it soon and birth control would be a much better solution than slaughtering lots of human lives in wars just to keep the population down.


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TW1ZTY wrote:
Arganger wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
I'm not really talking about abortion here but I think that if we encouraged every country around the world to practice birth control and supplied help to our fellow humans in the third world we can cut back on the overgrowing human population that is destroying the world. Maybe we won't even have to fight as many wars if we kept the human population down?

There's too many unwanted or unplanned babies in this world.


I'm all for that.
I'm just against it once it starts hurting people, so I'm good with aid and birth control and sex ed.


I am too, but some people are actually against it for some reason. Don't they realize that there's way too many humans in the world and that's a really bad thing? :?

I think we need to do something about it soon and birth control would be a much better solution than slaughtering lots of human lives in wars just to keep the population down.


Unfortunately, a lot of those people are the ones who only make decisions and develop opinions based on political party lines. It's hard to develop sense when most people treat politics that affect the real world like sports teams.



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05 Nov 2018, 4:02 pm

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And, seeing as how the person stole my organ committed a crime, I would have no problem taking my organ back.


The unborn didn't commit any crime...

What if the person stealing the organ gave it to an innocent?


I didn't say it did, but it still has no inherent right to use my biological systems.

And I'd still take the organ back from an "innocent" person. You don't help innocent people by attacking and violating other innocent people.


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05 Nov 2018, 4:16 pm

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And I'd still take the organ back from an "innocent" person.


Well, you know what I'm going to say now... what if you could wait let's say ... 9 months (for no particular reason) while a replacement organ is found?


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