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31 Oct 2018, 9:00 am

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31 Oct 2018, 10:07 am

"About God"

i am not saying i am who 'You' are Looking
for but it's True in/as LiGHT God Continues
To Evolve From:
Now
And
IT's up
to Us to:
Make A (Our)
Multi-Uni-Verse More
Colorful, Flavorful Now
And Etc... Sort Of Like
mY iPhone And iMac And Etcetera
For It Is Also True iN LiGHT At Least
God Is
A Poem
Deeper
Than
Most
Humans See
And Humans are
A Creature in Many
Instances too Shallow For God to see;
My Cat has no Problem for HE Needs
No Mirror to See GoD; A 'DowN FAll'
of Human Started Clothed Away From:
God As Nature Real; to:
if that
this
Answers
YouR Answer.

This 'Second Act'; Just Seems to Fit in For me at least:

Your Dreams Will Come True As Long As
Love
Lives
Within As You
YeS iN DeeD A Matter
oF PerspectivE NoW
True i
PuT
A
THEist iN ReaLest
AnYWaY All i Believe
Heaven Is Now And Dog isReal.


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31 Oct 2018, 10:37 am

To those that scoff
I hope some day you will be able to pray and praise God.

In college as an intellectual
I thought God was for weaklings.

I was correct, though not in the way I thought


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31 Oct 2018, 11:04 am

Well, I think it really would be nice if somebody out there loved us and forgave us no matter what horrible things we did as long as we actually felt bad about it and were truly sorry for what we've done. Most people don't forgive easily and are very quick to judge.


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31 Oct 2018, 11:56 am

TW1ZTY wrote:
Well, I think it really would be nice if somebody out there loved us and forgave us no matter what horrible things we did as long as we actually felt bad about it and were truly sorry for what we've done. Most people don't forgive easily and are very quick to judge.


"Normally" that 'somebody' out 'there' who Loves 'us' and Forgives Us;
No matter what horrible things we do as long as we feel bad about
it; and are Truly Sorry for what we've done is 'Our Mother';

I Had/Have A Loving Mother Who was really Real and really Loved
me from My First BLink of Life Until Her Last BLink of Life.

i am my Mother's Love Now;
For one Who 'Lives This Way'
It's Not Hard to See God As Love @ALL.

'Life Is God' When We/aRe/Do Love;
The Rest oF 'IT' Is Mostly Just A Dump in Gehenna somewhere
Away From Heaven That Can And Will Be A Smile On A Dog's Face too;
Even When
A Dog
Is Just
Wagging
ITs 'Tale'
Of
Love;
Or A Purr Of A Cat
That Just Speaks
Harmony And Peace,
While Humans Make Idols of A
Word God Never 'Seeing' Or 'Hearing' Love @ALL NoW.

Hmm; Will Be An Interesting Scientific Study Now
to Assess Who Believes in 'Love' And Who Does
Not Believe in 'Love' Based On A Mother's 'Love'
That Existed or never existed at all now/then;
It's True That Study has already
Been Done;
Without That
Love Nourished
And Gardened from
An Innate Birth of Love;
Love doesn't Grow to Real God (Love) Size Now.
In other Words, God is Love; Love Is Real For Those
Living Beings
Who Do/Are Real Love; It's Elementary Now From Birth
Of Love And Feeds From Love Real Still Now; And oh by
A way For Those of 'You' Who Don't Believe the Physical Universe
Cares; Guess You Never Met my Mother; Guess You Never Met Love;
Guess You've Forgotten A Scientific Fact That Humans Are PArt Of A UniVerse Whole.

Nope; Love Ain't Fair 'This Way', Either;
But Never the Less Love Is Real;
And So Is God As Love;
ThaT FAct
Is Irrefutable
Now; And if 'Religions'
Really Did And Do What
'They' Say About God IS REALLY LOVE;
A Million Dreams Of Love Verily Will Still Come True Now More.


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31 Oct 2018, 12:06 pm

aghogday wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Well, I think it really would be nice if somebody out there loved us and forgave us no matter what horrible things we did as long as we actually felt bad about it and were truly sorry for what we've done. Most people don't forgive easily and are very quick to judge.


"Normally" that 'somebody' out 'there' who Loves 'us' and Forgives Us;
No matter what horrible things we do as long as we feel bad about
it; and are Truly Sorry for what we've done is 'Our Mother';

I Had/Have A Loving Mother Who was really Real and really Loved
me from My First BLink of Life Until Her Last BLink of Life.

i am my Mother's Love Now;
For one Who 'Lives This Way'
It's Not Hard to See God As Love @ALL.

'Life Is God' When We/aRe/Do Love;
The Rest oF 'IT' Is Mostly Just A Dump in Gehenna somewhere
Away From Heaven That Can And Will Be A Smile On A Dog's Face too;
Even When
A Dog
Is Just
Wagging
ITs 'Tale'
Of
Love;
Or A Purr Of A Cat
That Just Speaks
Harmony And Peace,
While Humans Make Idols of A
Word God Never 'Seeing' Or 'Hearing' Love @ALL NoW.

Hmm; Will Be An Interesting Scientific Study Now
to Assess Who Believes in 'Love' And Who Does
Not Believe in 'Love' Based On A Mother's 'Love'
That Existed or never existed at all now/then;
It's True That Study has already
Been Done;
Without That
Love Nourished
And Gardened from
An Innate Birth of Love;
Love doesn't Grow to Real God (Love) Size Now.
In other Words, God is Love; Love Is Real For Those
Living Beings
Who Do/Are Real Love; It's Elementary Now From Birth
Of Love And Feeds From Love Real Still Now; And oh by
A way For Those of 'You' Who Don't Believe the Physical Universe
Cares; Guess You Never Met my Mother; Guess You Never Met Love;
Guess You've Forgotten A Scientific Fact That Humans Are PArt Of A UniVerse Whole.

Nope; Love Ain't Fair 'This Way', Either;
But Never the Less Love Is Real;
And So Is God As Love;
ThaT FAct
Is Irrefutable
Now; And if 'Religions'
Really Did And Do What
'They' Say About God IS REALLY LOVE;
A Million Dreams Of Love Verily Will Still Come True Now More.


I think some fathers can be the same way, and honestly some human women have less maternal instinct than the creatures who eat their own babies.

But "God" or "Mother Earth" or "The Creator" or whatever it really is could be thought of as those good parents (male or female) who love their children no matter what they do without spoiling them.


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31 Oct 2018, 1:04 pm

TW1ZTY wrote:
aghogday wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Well, I think it really would be nice if somebody out there loved us and forgave us no matter what horrible things we did as long as we actually felt bad about it and were truly sorry for what we've done. Most people don't forgive easily and are very quick to judge.


"Normally" that 'somebody' out 'there' who Loves 'us' and Forgives Us;
No matter what horrible things we do as long as we feel bad about
it; and are Truly Sorry for what we've done is 'Our Mother';

I Had/Have A Loving Mother Who was really Real and really Loved
me from My First BLink of Life Until Her Last BLink of Life.

i am my Mother's Love Now;
For one Who 'Lives This Way'
It's Not Hard to See God As Love @ALL.

'Life Is God' When We/aRe/Do Love;
The Rest oF 'IT' Is Mostly Just A Dump in Gehenna somewhere
Away From Heaven That Can And Will Be A Smile On A Dog's Face too;
Even When
A Dog
Is Just
Wagging
ITs 'Tale'
Of
Love;
Or A Purr Of A Cat
That Just Speaks
Harmony And Peace,
While Humans Make Idols of A
Word God Never 'Seeing' Or 'Hearing' Love @ALL NoW.

Hmm; Will Be An Interesting Scientific Study Now
to Assess Who Believes in 'Love' And Who Does
Not Believe in 'Love' Based On A Mother's 'Love'
That Existed or never existed at all now/then;
It's True That Study has already
Been Done;
Without That
Love Nourished
And Gardened from
An Innate Birth of Love;
Love doesn't Grow to Real God (Love) Size Now.
In other Words, God is Love; Love Is Real For Those
Living Beings
Who Do/Are Real Love; It's Elementary Now From Birth
Of Love And Feeds From Love Real Still Now; And oh by
A way For Those of 'You' Who Don't Believe the Physical Universe
Cares; Guess You Never Met my Mother; Guess You Never Met Love;
Guess You've Forgotten A Scientific Fact That Humans Are PArt Of A UniVerse Whole.

Nope; Love Ain't Fair 'This Way', Either;
But Never the Less Love Is Real;
And So Is God As Love;
ThaT FAct
Is Irrefutable
Now; And if 'Religions'
Really Did And Do What
'They' Say About God IS REALLY LOVE;
A Million Dreams Of Love Verily Will Still Come True Now More.


I think some fathers can be the same way, and honestly some human women have less maternal instinct than the creatures who eat their own babies.

But "God" or "Mother Earth" or "The Creator" or whatever it really is could be thought of as those good parents (male or female) who love their children no matter what they do without spoiling them.


Yes, I 'Totally' Agree; And It Is A Scientific Fact that Some Women have little to no Maternal Instinct
And it's Really Not an 'overall' Great Thing for Some Cultures that Force them into Having Unwanted Children;
Some Folks, are Just not Cut-out to Nurture Children; and that's a Fact too; and what Eventually Happens after
That is More Folks Who are Not Cut-out/Nurtured to Have Children; And in this Case Life isn't Fair either; but still Real
As Real Will Get.

And yeah; it's True, when my only Child/Son Passed Away, at 51 Days;
i Had the Strength/Love/Fearless to Hold Him in my Arms until his Last Breath;
True; my Mother Still Existed in me then when she was alive too. Great Nurturing
Father's Can/Will Also Come From Great Father's Where There is no 'Mother' at all too.
Nurturing Love
Has/is no Gender; no 'Color'
No Sexual Orientation; etc;
No Disability; but the Disability
of Not Being able to Provide that
Nurturing Love as it comes in Hugs
And Kisses for all of what Life Brings Dark and Light too.

And it's True; God is not only Love but God is Shadow too;
In other Words, God is Light and Dark too; God is Force of
Vibration and Frequency And overall Energy Now too; i
Don't Wanna live
In 'A Place'
Without
Tears
or Sorrows
for the Greatest Lights
And Loves come from
A DArkest Abyss
of Numb
and
Pain
now too;
sure, Been THere
'Then' Done Hell aLong
With Heaven now too; Nope,
I'm really not sure if it is even possible to
Go to Real Earth Heaven in Light; without going
to Real Earth Hell in Dark First; but sure; not everyone
Rises out of the Living Dead to 'tale' their Story That Dark Brings Light/Life.

Life's Not Fair;
but for me at least
It Is Verily Surely Worth Living Even in Hell to Get to Heaven Real.

I for one; Cannot 'See' A Greater Gift (Life) in Both Dark and Light;
'IT' Doesn't Bother me that Really Hell Exists Now And God is Literally A Devil too;

No Day Without Night;
No True Joy Without Existence of Tears And Or Sorrow
(For Most 'Healthy' Humans at Least Now Who 'Live').

From a Secular Point of View out of the Walls Now of
Religion That is Really Impossible to Escape For Anyone
Raised in a Human Culture for what Binds and Bonds us in
Both Dark and Light; Existential Intelligence that comprises
Both Emotional Intelligence in Regulating Emotions; And Physical
Intelligence of Integrating Senses is both A Literal and Metaphorical
Way to Feel and Sense Whole With And As 'all that is' at least as far as
Human
Can
and
Will Feel and
Sense Reality
Now as Life is Good (God), my Friend.
I Find 'God; On A Naked Beach With No
Human Foot Prints but 'my own' of/as 'God'.
That was long ago too Before finishing 33 Years
of Work for Pay; And 19 years of School and 3 College
Degrees; i Can still Remember in 2008 standing on that
Beach Cold to the Bone for all of what Work and School had
taken away from me; simply as that Naked Beach; Sugar White Sands;
Emerald Green Waters; Seagulls Spiraling Around the Sun; A Cool Enough
Breeze in the Summer off Gulf Waters then and by God yes; for me at least;
So Many
Beautiful
Women in
Bikini's
too
As Nature's(God's)
Potential Mates
for me, then too;
With Dreams of Hidden
Dunes; Swaying Sea Oats
And if you get the drift of
That the Rest of what Makes
Life Happen now too; Smiles
My Friend; i can't Expect Folks to
'See' and 'Hear' Heaven and or Hell
And God as Love and the Literal Devil Now
As Hell That Makes Night into Day; but i 'cry'; i try.
Meh; It's What 'Bible Writers' Do their best to do; these days too;
In All of What Arts And Even Sciences Brings Of A Inner-Verse of Us
to give
and
share for
Free Now at
Best of Being Now.
At Some Point NoW
A Need For A Word God Fades Way Into All Love For NoW.
And True; A Scientific Study of the Sublime Terms Belief and
Faith as Love
Suggests
this is
True too;
aLong Ways
of Maslow's Transcendence And Fowler's
Faith 'Pyramids' to Reach A Capstone
of Love Where the View Down Now is
Like Most Any Mona Lisa Painting WHere
DArk Fibers
of Shadow
Are STill
Necessary
For Both Beauty
And Wisdom NoW
iN LiGht and DArk;
It's Just a Matter of the
Lights and Shadows in us
Shaking Hands and Forgiving
the 'Devil; in us, too; Smiles mY
FriEnd; FoR Me Now That's wHere i'm AT..;)


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31 Oct 2018, 1:49 pm

aghogday wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
aghogday wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Well, I think it really would be nice if somebody out there loved us and forgave us no matter what horrible things we did as long as we actually felt bad about it and were truly sorry for what we've done. Most people don't forgive easily and are very quick to judge.


"Normally" that 'somebody' out 'there' who Loves 'us' and Forgives Us;
No matter what horrible things we do as long as we feel bad about
it; and are Truly Sorry for what we've done is 'Our Mother';

I Had/Have A Loving Mother Who was really Real and really Loved
me from My First BLink of Life Until Her Last BLink of Life.

i am my Mother's Love Now;
For one Who 'Lives This Way'
It's Not Hard to See God As Love @ALL.

'Life Is God' When We/aRe/Do Love;
The Rest oF 'IT' Is Mostly Just A Dump in Gehenna somewhere
Away From Heaven That Can And Will Be A Smile On A Dog's Face too;
Even When
A Dog
Is Just
Wagging
ITs 'Tale'
Of
Love;
Or A Purr Of A Cat
That Just Speaks
Harmony And Peace,
While Humans Make Idols of A
Word God Never 'Seeing' Or 'Hearing' Love @ALL NoW.

Hmm; Will Be An Interesting Scientific Study Now
to Assess Who Believes in 'Love' And Who Does
Not Believe in 'Love' Based On A Mother's 'Love'
That Existed or never existed at all now/then;
It's True That Study has already
Been Done;
Without That
Love Nourished
And Gardened from
An Innate Birth of Love;
Love doesn't Grow to Real God (Love) Size Now.
In other Words, God is Love; Love Is Real For Those
Living Beings
Who Do/Are Real Love; It's Elementary Now From Birth
Of Love And Feeds From Love Real Still Now; And oh by
A way For Those of 'You' Who Don't Believe the Physical Universe
Cares; Guess You Never Met my Mother; Guess You Never Met Love;
Guess You've Forgotten A Scientific Fact That Humans Are PArt Of A UniVerse Whole.

Nope; Love Ain't Fair 'This Way', Either;
But Never the Less Love Is Real;
And So Is God As Love;
ThaT FAct
Is Irrefutable
Now; And if 'Religions'
Really Did And Do What
'They' Say About God IS REALLY LOVE;
A Million Dreams Of Love Verily Will Still Come True Now More.


I think some fathers can be the same way, and honestly some human women have less maternal instinct than the creatures who eat their own babies.

But "God" or "Mother Earth" or "The Creator" or whatever it really is could be thought of as those good parents (male or female) who love their children no matter what they do without spoiling them.


Yes, I 'Totally' Agree; And It Is A Scientific Fact that Some Women have little to no Maternal Instinct
And it's Really Not an 'overall' Great Thing for Some Cultures that Force them into Having Unwanted Children;
Some Folks, are Just not Cut-out to Nurture Children; and that's a Fact too; and what Eventually Happens after
That is More Folks Who are Not Cut-out/Nurtured to Have Children; And in this Case Life isn't Fair either; but still Real
As Real Will Get.

And yeah; it's True, when my only Child/Son Passed Away, at 51 Days;
i Had the Strength/Love/Fearless to Hold Him in my Arms until his Last Breath;
True; my Mother Still Existed in me then when she was alive too. Great Nurturing
Father's Can/Will Also Come From Great Father's Where There is no 'Mother' at all too.
Nurturing Love
Has/is no Gender; no 'Color'
No Sexual Orientation; etc;
No Disability; but the Disability
of Not Being able to Provide that
Nurturing Love as it comes in Hugs
And Kisses for all of what Life Brings Dark and Light too.

And it's True; God is not only Love but God is Shadow too;
In other Words, God is Light and Dark too; God is Force of
Vibration and Frequency And overall Energy Now too; i
Don't Wanna live
In 'A Place'
Without
Tears
or Sorrows
for the Greatest Lights
And Loves come from
A DArkest Abyss
of Numb
and
Pain
now too;
sure, Been THere
'Then' Done Hell aLong
With Heaven now too; Nope,
I'm really not sure if it is even possible to
Go to Real Earth Heaven in Light; without going
to Real Earth Hell in Dark First; but sure; not everyone
Rises out of the Living Dead to 'tale' their Story That Dark Brings Light/Life.

Life's Not Fair;
but for me at least
It Is Verily Surely Worth Living Even in Hell to Get to Heaven Real.

I for one; Cannot 'See' A Greater Gift (Life) in Both Dark and Light;
'IT' Doesn't Bother me that Really Hell Exists Now And God is Literally A Devil too;

No Day Without Night;
No True Joy Without Existence of Tears And Or Sorrow
(For Most 'Healthy' Humans at Least Now Who 'Live').

From a Secular Point of View out of the Walls Now of
Religion That is Really Impossible to Escape For Anyone
Raised in a Human Culture for what Binds and Bonds us in
Both Dark and Light; Existential Intelligence that comprises
Both Emotional Intelligence in Regulating Emotions; And Physical
Intelligence of Integrating Senses is both A Literal and Metaphorical
Way to Feel and Sense Whole With And As 'all that is' at least as far as
Human
Can
and
Will Feel and
Sense Reality
Now as Life is Good (God), my Friend.
I Find 'God; On A Naked Beach With No
Human Foot Prints but 'my own' of/as 'God'.
That was long ago too Before finishing 33 Years
of Work for Pay; And 19 years of School and 3 College
Degrees; i Can still Remember in 2008 standing on that
Beach Cold to the Bone for all of what Work and School had
taken away from me; simply as that Naked Beach; Sugar White Sands;
Emerald Green Waters; Seagulls Spiraling Around the Sun; A Cool Enough
Breeze in the Summer off Gulf Waters then and by God yes; for me at least;
So Many
Beautiful
Women in
Bikini's
too
As Nature's(God's)
Potential Mates
for me, then too;
With Dreams of Hidden
Dunes; Swaying Sea Oats
And if you get the drift of
That the Rest of what Makes
Life Happen now too; Smiles
My Friend; i can't Expect Folks to
'See' and 'Hear' Heaven and or Hell
And God as Love and the Literal Devil Now
As Hell That Makes Night into Day; but i 'cry'; i try.
Meh; It's What 'Bible Writers' Do their best to do; these days too;
In All of What Arts And Even Sciences Brings Of A Inner-Verse of Us
to give
and
share for
Free Now at
Best of Being Now.
At Some Point NoW
A Need For A Word God Fades Way Into All Love For NoW.
And True; A Scientific Study of the Sublime Terms Belief and
Faith as Love
Suggests
this is
True too;
aLong Ways
of Maslow's Transcendence And Fowler's
Faith 'Pyramids' to Reach A Capstone
of Love Where the View Down Now is
Like Most Any Mona Lisa Painting WHere
DArk Fibers
of Shadow
Are STill
Necessary
For Both Beauty
And Wisdom NoW
iN LiGht and DArk;
It's Just a Matter of the
Lights and Shadows in us
Shaking Hands and Forgiving
the 'Devil; in us, too; Smiles mY
FriEnd; FoR Me Now That's wHere i'm AT..;)


I'm probably very alone in this opinion but I actually believe that God himself can make mistakes too and that even he isn't perfect. There are stories of him doing all sorts of terrifying and horrible things to people like flooding the world or bringing plagues onto Egypt but I think it's possible he did feel horrible about doing those things to people.

To me it's not much different from the Gods and Goddesses in Greek Mythology who did horrible things to people when they were angered but they could also do really nice things for people and if a God ever regretted their actions they would find some way to make up for it. Like when Apollo turned Hyacinth into a beautiful flower after he was killed by Zephyrus out of jealously because Hyacinth showed more favor towards Apollo than he did Zephyrus. Or when Athena turned Arachne into a spider after the girl commited suicide by hanging herself when she challenged Athena to a weaving contest (some stories say Athena did it as punishment, others say that she actually took pity on the girl).


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31 Oct 2018, 2:03 pm

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I don't believe in god because if god existed he would have prevented many disasters that were NOT supposed to have happened (the bible heavily uses deed>reward mentality and I don't think the Armenian holocaust, Jewish Holocaust, American school shootings and mass murders in Russia/China by Stalin and Mao Tse Tung were committed because those people had it coming)


This assumes God cares, though. Our happiness doesn't have to be our creator's purpose.


I'm not saying I believe in God 100% but I kind of think of the relationship between the creator and his creations as that between a struggling parent and their ungrateful children. A parent can't make all of their children happy all of the time (and apparently "God" has a LOT of children) and whenever some of their children don't get exactly what they want or need out of life they get angry at the parent and blame their misery and unhappiness on them which isn't really fair because the parent did the best they could.


That is one interpretation of God, but it comes from religious texts, not nature. Nature is indifferent, as wiser people before me have pointed out. It seems we expect God to favor us because we don't have to reckon with a more powerful species. If aliens came tomorrow and overpowered us, would we think other animals were made for our use, and God favored us?

God can show us favor, but it's humans who assume they are God's purpose.


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31 Oct 2018, 2:28 pm

HighLlama wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
HighLlama wrote:
Chummy wrote:
I don't believe in god because if god existed he would have prevented many disasters that were NOT supposed to have happened (the bible heavily uses deed>reward mentality and I don't think the Armenian holocaust, Jewish Holocaust, American school shootings and mass murders in Russia/China by Stalin and Mao Tse Tung were committed because those people had it coming)


This assumes God cares, though. Our happiness doesn't have to be our creator's purpose.


I'm not saying I believe in God 100% but I kind of think of the relationship between the creator and his creations as that between a struggling parent and their ungrateful children. A parent can't make all of their children happy all of the time (and apparently "God" has a LOT of children) and whenever some of their children don't get exactly what they want or need out of life they get angry at the parent and blame their misery and unhappiness on them which isn't really fair because the parent did the best they could.


That is one interpretation of God, but it comes from religious texts, not nature. Nature is indifferent, as wiser people before me have pointed out. It seems we expect God to favor us because we don't have to reckon with a more powerful species. If aliens came tomorrow and overpowered us, would we think other animals were made for our use, and God favored us?

God can show us favor, but it's humans who assume they are God's purpose.


I always wondered if there are beings out there on other planets who really aren't any different from us humans and they have thoughts and feelings too? Maybe we're not the only living creatures with free will?


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31 Oct 2018, 2:35 pm

TW1ZTY wrote:
aghogday wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
aghogday wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Well, I think it really would be nice if somebody out there loved us and forgave us no matter what horrible things we did as long as we actually felt bad about it and were truly sorry for what we've done. Most people don't forgive easily and are very quick to judge.


"Normally" that 'somebody' out 'there' who Loves 'us' and Forgives Us;
No matter what horrible things we do as long as we feel bad about
it; and are Truly Sorry for what we've done is 'Our Mother';

I Had/Have A Loving Mother Who was really Real and really Loved
me from My First BLink of Life Until Her Last BLink of Life.

i am my Mother's Love Now;
For one Who 'Lives This Way'
It's Not Hard to See God As Love @ALL.

'Life Is God' When We/aRe/Do Love;
The Rest oF 'IT' Is Mostly Just A Dump in Gehenna somewhere
Away From Heaven That Can And Will Be A Smile On A Dog's Face too;
Even When
A Dog
Is Just
Wagging
ITs 'Tale'
Of
Love;
Or A Purr Of A Cat
That Just Speaks
Harmony And Peace,
While Humans Make Idols of A
Word God Never 'Seeing' Or 'Hearing' Love @ALL NoW.

Hmm; Will Be An Interesting Scientific Study Now
to Assess Who Believes in 'Love' And Who Does
Not Believe in 'Love' Based On A Mother's 'Love'
That Existed or never existed at all now/then;
It's True That Study has already
Been Done;
Without That
Love Nourished
And Gardened from
An Innate Birth of Love;
Love doesn't Grow to Real God (Love) Size Now.
In other Words, God is Love; Love Is Real For Those
Living Beings
Who Do/Are Real Love; It's Elementary Now From Birth
Of Love And Feeds From Love Real Still Now; And oh by
A way For Those of 'You' Who Don't Believe the Physical Universe
Cares; Guess You Never Met my Mother; Guess You Never Met Love;
Guess You've Forgotten A Scientific Fact That Humans Are PArt Of A UniVerse Whole.

Nope; Love Ain't Fair 'This Way', Either;
But Never the Less Love Is Real;
And So Is God As Love;
ThaT FAct
Is Irrefutable
Now; And if 'Religions'
Really Did And Do What
'They' Say About God IS REALLY LOVE;
A Million Dreams Of Love Verily Will Still Come True Now More.


I think some fathers can be the same way, and honestly some human women have less maternal instinct than the creatures who eat their own babies.

But "God" or "Mother Earth" or "The Creator" or whatever it really is could be thought of as those good parents (male or female) who love their children no matter what they do without spoiling them.


Yes, I 'Totally' Agree; And It Is A Scientific Fact that Some Women have little to no Maternal Instinct
And it's Really Not an 'overall' Great Thing for Some Cultures that Force them into Having Unwanted Children;
Some Folks, are Just not Cut-out to Nurture Children; and that's a Fact too; and what Eventually Happens after
That is More Folks Who are Not Cut-out/Nurtured to Have Children; And in this Case Life isn't Fair either; but still Real
As Real Will Get.

And yeah; it's True, when my only Child/Son Passed Away, at 51 Days;
i Had the Strength/Love/Fearless to Hold Him in my Arms until his Last Breath;
True; my Mother Still Existed in me then when she was alive too. Great Nurturing
Father's Can/Will Also Come From Great Father's Where There is no 'Mother' at all too.
Nurturing Love
Has/is no Gender; no 'Color'
No Sexual Orientation; etc;
No Disability; but the Disability
of Not Being able to Provide that
Nurturing Love as it comes in Hugs
And Kisses for all of what Life Brings Dark and Light too.

And it's True; God is not only Love but God is Shadow too;
In other Words, God is Light and Dark too; God is Force of
Vibration and Frequency And overall Energy Now too; i
Don't Wanna live
In 'A Place'
Without
Tears
or Sorrows
for the Greatest Lights
And Loves come from
A DArkest Abyss
of Numb
and
Pain
now too;
sure, Been THere
'Then' Done Hell aLong
With Heaven now too; Nope,
I'm really not sure if it is even possible to
Go to Real Earth Heaven in Light; without going
to Real Earth Hell in Dark First; but sure; not everyone
Rises out of the Living Dead to 'tale' their Story That Dark Brings Light/Life.

Life's Not Fair;
but for me at least
It Is Verily Surely Worth Living Even in Hell to Get to Heaven Real.

I for one; Cannot 'See' A Greater Gift (Life) in Both Dark and Light;
'IT' Doesn't Bother me that Really Hell Exists Now And God is Literally A Devil too;

No Day Without Night;
No True Joy Without Existence of Tears And Or Sorrow
(For Most 'Healthy' Humans at Least Now Who 'Live').

From a Secular Point of View out of the Walls Now of
Religion That is Really Impossible to Escape For Anyone
Raised in a Human Culture for what Binds and Bonds us in
Both Dark and Light; Existential Intelligence that comprises
Both Emotional Intelligence in Regulating Emotions; And Physical
Intelligence of Integrating Senses is both A Literal and Metaphorical
Way to Feel and Sense Whole With And As 'all that is' at least as far as
Human
Can
and
Will Feel and
Sense Reality
Now as Life is Good (God), my Friend.
I Find 'God; On A Naked Beach With No
Human Foot Prints but 'my own' of/as 'God'.
That was long ago too Before finishing 33 Years
of Work for Pay; And 19 years of School and 3 College
Degrees; i Can still Remember in 2008 standing on that
Beach Cold to the Bone for all of what Work and School had
taken away from me; simply as that Naked Beach; Sugar White Sands;
Emerald Green Waters; Seagulls Spiraling Around the Sun; A Cool Enough
Breeze in the Summer off Gulf Waters then and by God yes; for me at least;
So Many
Beautiful
Women in
Bikini's
too
As Nature's(God's)
Potential Mates
for me, then too;
With Dreams of Hidden
Dunes; Swaying Sea Oats
And if you get the drift of
That the Rest of what Makes
Life Happen now too; Smiles
My Friend; i can't Expect Folks to
'See' and 'Hear' Heaven and or Hell
And God as Love and the Literal Devil Now
As Hell That Makes Night into Day; but i 'cry'; i try.
Meh; It's What 'Bible Writers' Do their best to do; these days too;
In All of What Arts And Even Sciences Brings Of A Inner-Verse of Us
to give
and
share for
Free Now at
Best of Being Now.
At Some Point NoW
A Need For A Word God Fades Way Into All Love For NoW.
And True; A Scientific Study of the Sublime Terms Belief and
Faith as Love
Suggests
this is
True too;
aLong Ways
of Maslow's Transcendence And Fowler's
Faith 'Pyramids' to Reach A Capstone
of Love Where the View Down Now is
Like Most Any Mona Lisa Painting WHere
DArk Fibers
of Shadow
Are STill
Necessary
For Both Beauty
And Wisdom NoW
iN LiGht and DArk;
It's Just a Matter of the
Lights and Shadows in us
Shaking Hands and Forgiving
the 'Devil; in us, too; Smiles mY
FriEnd; FoR Me Now That's wHere i'm AT..;)


I'm probably very alone in this opinion but I actually believe that God himself can make mistakes too and that even he isn't perfect. There are stories of him doing all sorts of terrifying and horrible things to people like flooding the world or bringing plagues onto Egypt but I think it's possible he did feel horrible about doing those things to people.

To me it's not much different from the Gods and Goddesses in Greek Mythology who did horrible things to people when they were angered but they could also do really nice things for people and if a God ever regretted their actions they would find some way to make up for it. Like when Apollo turned Hyacinth into a beautiful flower after he was killed by Zephyrus out of jealously because Hyacinth showed more favor towards Apollo than he did Zephyrus. Or when Athena turned Arachne into a spider after the girl commited suicide by hanging herself when she challenged Athena to a weaving contest (some stories say Athena did it as punishment, others say that she actually took pity on the girl).


i Haven't Found Many 'Religious' Folks; Not Even in my Red State Trump Area who will even attempt to Refute me
When i Say God is All And or God is Love; For it's True; That's What Their 'Good Book' Says is True. And when i Go on to
Great/Small Lengths to Suggest That God is Love; it's Just About Impossible for Them to Refute That too When God is All.
It's Really Very Simple Logic.
Humans are Part of God(All)
God is All;
Humans Are Not
Perfect And Neither
is the Reality of God
As us but you See that's
in the eyes of Human Definitions
of What is Good in Dark Through Light, now;
Seeing That Heaven Comes From Hell On Earth Still Now;
Imperfect Makes Heaven too; And That's Good Overall Stuff.
In Other
Words, there
Is No All God in 'Perfect'.
Humans Make 'Perfectly Reliable'
'Computers' Now Until they Fail too;
No Doubt, When/If Everything Goes
Away That God Makes 'A Mistake'
Too; And Brings It All Back Again;
Particularly, if God is Nothing Now
to Begin With As Truly Least too;
Different too; For It's True What
Artist
Stops
Creating
Something New;
Only Robots That are
Not Artists Who Eventually Fail too.

In PArt, at Least, God is Perfect when
Now is All We Need And Want
Never Looking
Back
Now
Never
Looking Forward
NoW to Any Existence
But Now Satisfied As Is.
(Existential Genius Lives)
(Another Word For It is Flow)
(Robots Do Not Do Flow Now)
True; Humans Create Robots
And Perfect too for now at least
for
me
at least
This Works For Real too;
And for anyone who suggests
Humans Don't have Much Measure
of Relative Free Will; Well, the Fact
Is; They Will Never Be me Now For Real.

In other Words, when one is Living Forever Now Feeling Sensing
Now Complete aS Ocean Whole-Wave-Water As A Pyramid Capstone of
Love An
All Seeing
eYe Is Complete
And A Pyramid Whole As
God Forevernow Real as Heaven
Stands
NoW As
Wisdom
of Beauty Real
With no Regrets
From Heaven to Toe more.
I Can Write 6 Million Words;
And even 6 Million More to describe
it more; and in Fact i Have/Do; Just For 'Fun';
And sure; Dance in Public now for 10,152 Miles;
in 5 Years as i Do That too; i Do For True; This Capstone Tight
Rope Act is Just About Impossible to Fully Follow But Real
As Real
Gets
For
Heaven Now More Real
at Least for me as i continue
to Paint a 'Sistine Chapel' oF A
Nautilus Shell 'Effortless' As Now Continues as is.
In other Words; 'This Place' is Not AFree 'Meal Ticket';
to Recite Incantations of Romans 10:9 or Assert John 3:16; 'This Place'
Is Just
Do It Now..;)

Nike (The Goddess of Victory) Gets IT At Least, too..;)


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31 Oct 2018, 4:33 pm

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Chummy wrote:
I don't believe in god because if god existed he would have prevented many disasters that were NOT supposed to have happened (the bible heavily uses deed>reward mentality and I don't think the Armenian holocaust, Jewish Holocaust, American school shootings and mass murders in Russia/China by Stalin and Mao Tse Tung were committed because those people had it coming)


This assumes God cares, though. Our happiness doesn't have to be our creator's purpose.


I'm not saying I believe in God 100% but I kind of think of the relationship between the creator and his creations as that between a struggling parent and their ungrateful children. A parent can't make all of their children happy all of the time (and apparently "God" has a LOT of children) and whenever some of their children don't get exactly what they want or need out of life they get angry at the parent and blame their misery and unhappiness on them which isn't really fair because the parent did the best they could.


That is one interpretation of God, but it comes from religious texts, not nature. Nature is indifferent, as wiser people before me have pointed out. It seems we expect God to favor us because we don't have to reckon with a more powerful species. If aliens came tomorrow and overpowered us, would we think other animals were made for our use, and God favored us?

God can show us favor, but it's humans who assume they are God's purpose.


I always wondered if there are beings out there on other planets who really aren't any different from us humans and they have thoughts and feelings too? Maybe we're not the only living creatures with free will?


Do we have free will?

"Our thoughts are ours, their ends none our own." -- Shakespeare


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^^^
As Science Shows;
^^^
Now We Do have Potential;
Some of Us at least; as Shown
With Science, With Bio-Feedback
In Relative Free Will to Master Bliss
Above all Illusory Fears Now; Will Doesn't
Get much
Freer
than
that and
if it did what
'Will' 'It' be;
Or Not Be;
Verily Not 'Trump
Towers' With No Essence of Gold;
And Verily No Real Human Fountain
of Youth Where Science Measures the
Physical Health of a Human Brain at 50
Years-old Equal to that of a 'Normal' 25 year old Brain now;
as that Applies to 'Regular Measures of Strength' in the Aging
Process too; and as Science Shows for those with the Ability to
Visualize in Imagination One Can and Will See themselves Gaining
Strength And Actually Bring that Strength to Fruition Versus Folks
Who have to Actually Exercise to Attain the Improvement in Strength.
There's lots of New Stuff to Sense and Feel, Since the Days of 'Will' Shakespeare
as the World is Bigger Now and there are many more Windows into what Human
Potential Can and Will Do With Relative Free Will Now Even More; 'Yogi Monks;
Generate Steam off their Robes in Icy Cold Waters; while Mastering their Brain
Waves from Alpha through Theta Flow; while Keeping their Heart Beats Even
in Harmony over Dissonance; Strong and Relatively Slow too with Blood
Pressure Moderated at Healthy Levels too; all through a Flow From Still and
or Moving Meditation (Free Dance) for this is what 'Transient Hypo-Frontality'
in an 'Autotelic State' of Being Does Generating one's
Own Blissful Levels Within With 'Big Five' 'Happy'
Neuro-Chemicals and Neuro-Hormones
Ranging Through Dopamine, Serotonin,
Nor-Adrenaline, Oxytocin, and
Pain Killing Natural
Opiates of
Endorphins
are all about;
A Will of Focus;
An Orchestra of Being
Mastered in Relative Free
Will Through Bio-Feedback and
A Symphony of Human Potential
that Science Now Can And Will Measure
Empirically in Brain Scans as well as Creative
Output in Increases of 4 to 5 Hundred Percent more too.

It's 'the Higher Force', 'Baby'; Creative With Human Healing too;
Some Folks Seek and Find it and Master it For Incredible Feats of
Creativity, Productivity, and Social-Cooperation; and Some Folks do
Not Master This Force of Human Relative Free Will Anywhere Close to
These Measurable Levels; With a little Research and an Open Mind and
Body to get 'here'; Or just the Mix that Works by all Innate Instinct and Intuition
to find a Path that Works as 'Some Folks; Even Do It Sitting Under A Tree; Walking
in a Desert; and out of Mythologies Come to Do it Real as at least some of us Actually Do it
Standing
On a Beach;
Dancing Free
Verse And Singing
In Writing too; whatever
Works Works; And it is much
Easier to understand now How It
Does Work once one actually Does it for Real;
Yep; it's Mostly More Than what Most Humans Feel and Sense
Now; And Yeah; for all practical intents and purposes some folks are
just about
the Grade
of a 'Real
Minion'
as 'they'
come in Group
Think Fashion too;
With Little Ability to Master how
They Feel and Sense now; to the
Point that almost everything gets on their Nerves;
Where they literally are a Slave to their Feelings and Senses always now.
That's the Other Place; i'm Familiar With it; it's not 'Home' anymore, for me at least.

“Last scene of all, That ends this strange eventful history,
second childishness and mere oblivion; Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything,”

-Shakespeare

This is how Shakespeare Viewed His life as one of an 'Old Man' Before he Died at Age 52.

It's the way I did too at 52; Before i Developed A Relative Free Will to Do More Than i Did at 21 at 58;
Including, Empirical Measures of Leg Strength Double of what I did then; Leg Pressing 1020 Lbs, 52 Reps
on a Very Difficult Parallel Free Weight Leg Press Machine, still now; And Selfie's with over 2000 Beautiful
Women Sharing Smiles of Dance With me; where i didn't Start that Endeavor until age 53, Shortly After
My View of Life was like Shakespeare's Before at 52, as i Emerged out of a Moldy But Still Living Human
Cocoon. In other Words, Writing is not enough; I could have been a Moldy Old Man Still; then and now
if all
i did
was sit
in Front
a Computer
or A Page and Write.

A Song is not Enough Without a Free Meditative Dance to Bring a Song of Life For Real Even More For me at least.

Lots of Folks Watch Dance These Days; but Very Few folks Understand the Fountain of Youth In Just Doing Dance.

Relative Free Will Starts With Emotions And Senses First as Science Shows this is A Source of all Rational Think,
Second; as the 'Body Keeps Score' First. Master the Moves of Your Body; Master the Emotions that Move your
Think.
In Other Than
Words, Master
Your 'Shadow' Now For It Is True as Once Again, Science
Shows Now; the Neo-Cortex is Servant to the Limbic System;
But 'It' Need Not Be Slave; And No longer Hide, Without Relative
Free Will Now; Caught up in a Discordance of Feelings and Senses; Caught up in
A Same Discordance of Think; Out of Mastery of Words in Accordance With Bliss to Be NoW;

Like Lots of Writers (People); Shakespeare Died A Troubled Soul; And Perhaps Never 'Really Lived';

That's Sad; Really Sad.

THere Is No Question Necessary Now
Of Be or God Same When one Is Bliss
As Love That Gives And Shares Now Free.


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02 Nov 2018, 5:40 pm

HighLlama wrote:
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I don't believe in god because if god existed he would have prevented many disasters that were NOT supposed to have happened (the bible heavily uses deed>reward mentality and I don't think the Armenian holocaust, Jewish Holocaust, American school shootings and mass murders in Russia/China by Stalin and Mao Tse Tung were committed because those people had it coming)


This assumes God cares, though. Our happiness doesn't have to be our creator's purpose.


Granted, but if he doesn't care, why would we? Besides correct me if I'm mistaken here but that isn't true for all religions (according to tradition), maybe if you're a Catholic sure but not so much for religious protestants and Jews.


HighLlama wrote:

"That is one interpretation of God, but it comes from religious texts, not nature. Nature is indifferent, as wiser people before me have pointed out. It seems we expect God to favor us because we don't have to reckon with a more powerful species. If aliens came tomorrow and overpowered us, would we think other animals were made for our use, and God favored us?

God can show us favor, but it's humans who assume they are God's purpose"

---


I know for a fact (again, according to the texts which I assume are factual for the matter of the discussion) god initially expected everything to go his way but it didn't work because of human nature (human has free will, human sins, human gets punished by flood/exile/death whatever) . At one point this whole business ended.. so.. did god went underground and stopped caring at that point?



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I'd worship an elephant. Why not? They're great animals! :D


Funnily enough, in ancient times the first Jews were regarded as atheists, because they didn't worship anything tangible! I mean idol worshipers must've been confused as to how these crazy people could worship something that doesn't exist. It's hilarious to think about it now and how perception has changed.