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28 Nov 2018, 3:52 pm

like and appreciate the others' lives and opinions? "How is it possible to bridge the gulf between a group of Leverett liberals and red-state descendants of coal miners who voted for Donald Trump?"

Hands Across the Hills

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After the 2016 presidential election, conflict resolution expert Paula Green and a group of liberal voters in Leverett, Massachusetts, met in the town's library to discuss how they would move forward as a community — and as a divided country.
"We didn't know where we would reach out or how we would reach out, but we felt that it was very important to increase as many connectors as we could between people and reduce the dividers," Green tells Here & Now’s Robin Young, "because the deep divides become chasms, and then they become cataclysms, and before long, we can't talk to each other at all."
The group, Hands Across the Hills — Green's brainchild that would later win her an Alliance for Peace award — wound up reaching across the political spectrum to the coal-country town of Whitesburg, Kentucky, nearly 850 miles away, in order to spark a dialogue.
"I was a little apprehensive — afraid it was another 'save the dumb hillbillies' project," says Gwen Johnson, a Whitesburg resident. Despite her trepidation, Johnson says she "knew it was a conversation that needed to be had."
"So I just got my courage up and said, 'OK, I'll be one of the ones who stands out and speaks up,' " she says.
Two years later and after many home visits, emails, Skype sessions and cultural events, members of the two groups say they not only have a profound understanding of what motivates one another, but also friendships they anticipate will last a lifetime.
Interview Highlights
On how residents in Whitesburg initially responded to Green's group reaching out to them
Gwen Johnson: "We've really been exploited many times by the media, who come and look at the very worst of the worst, and we decided to draft an email in response, just asking what the motivation was."

On Trump's promise to revive the coal industry being a major reason why so many Whitesburg residents voted for him
Johnson: "Our people in our county voted almost the exact same percentage for Trump that Leverett, Massachusetts, voted for Hillary."[The coal industry is] very important, because our people don't want handouts. We want an economy that works for all of us. We want to feed the children and put shoes on their feet, and the coal miners here were the benevolent ones, who spent their money and [kept] the civic organizations and the churches [going]. And all the people who don't have a revenue stream, it was the coal miners who always funded that."

"We didn't know what was going to transpire between us, and although we don't agree politically, we've come to love and care about each other a great deal." Paula Green
On what Johnson feared about Green and her group visiting Whitesburg

Johnson: "That we would not be heard and that we would not be accepted. And the thing that I kept worrying about was that maybe they wouldn't be able to forgive us for voting for President Trump."

On the preparation that went into the first visit

Paula Green: "We spent six months preparing for this meeting. This was no casual meeting. We had endless correspondence and Skypes and phone calls. We had prepared all sorts of community events, we had music and dance and drama and art, and so we had a very full and rich and safe agenda prepared for everybody, and we know how much fear there was even with all that."

On what the two groups discovered through their trips

Green: "The biggest puzzle I think for many progressives is: Why did people vote for this president? Were they voting against their own interests? Which we hear over and over again. And I learned that they were voting for their interests, because their interest was coal, and Trump promised to bring back coal when Hillary talked about shutting down the mines. So it became very clear to me that these folks were voting for a very important interest: their survival.

"What was astounding for us [was] we didn't know what was going to transpire between us, and although we don't agree politically, we've come to love and care about each other a great deal."


Read the entire article: http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2018/11/ ... s-politics

Hands Across the Hills website: https://www.handsacrossthehills.org/


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28 Nov 2018, 4:08 pm

Just show them how Trump is way left of Clinton, and the "Leverett liberals" will wake up and realize their folly.


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28 Nov 2018, 7:15 pm

They don’t even like people
In the middle who don’t share either views
People just don’t like anyone who doesn’t agree with them 100%



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28 Nov 2018, 7:41 pm

I loved my dad. I didn't agree with most of his politics.



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28 Nov 2018, 8:12 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I loved my dad. I didn't agree with most of his politics.

Ow a days most families break up over politics with parents disowning kids for being the other party and kids disowning parents for being the other party

People horrified that parents disown their gay kids will disown their republican kids.
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28 Nov 2018, 8:14 pm

In my experience, people have arguments about politics---but families don't disown kids for having different political opinions.

My father was a businessman/conservative type. He always knew I had "liberal proclivities." This didn't prevent him from liking me.



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28 Nov 2018, 10:18 pm

Coal miners support unions because they remember how the companies exploited and murdered them. I mean the coal companies literally hired armed guards to shoot and kill workers protesting for better pay and working conditions. Why do you think West Virginia likes Democrats?



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29 Nov 2018, 1:04 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
In my experience, people have arguments about politics---but families don't disown kids for having different political opinions.

My father was a businessman/conservative type. He always knew I had "liberal proclivities." This didn't prevent him from liking me.

And I’m telling you they do.
There’s a famous one on YouTube who disowned her after they found out she’s a republican. And republicans disown liberal kids too.



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29 Nov 2018, 3:52 am

This is all a load of BS to me. I hate this current political climate and hope it will die the horrible death it so rightly deserves before too long. Starting in the 2016 election season, it suddenly became important to define people by their political beliefs, and so many people now decide to build walls between themselves and those of opposing views. Heck, it's becoming increasingly difficult to discuss much of anything without politics entering the conversation in some way.

I just miss the pre-2016 days of being able to have legit conversations with people, and when politics weren't inserted into discussions where that sort of thing has no relevance. I miss when people actually sounded like they had a shred of intelligence, and not as though they ought to be institutionalized with all due haste. Most of all, I just miss not feeling as though my friends and family and I are among the few normal people in a sea of those of...questionable cognitive faculties. Ugh.

Also, I wish I wouldn't be treated like I worship Satan or something just because I refuse to bow down to and blindly follow the orange goblin king and treat his senile ramblings as messages from above. I think he's part of the problem as he hasn't de-escalated the current BS political culture at all and has actually just made it worse.



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29 Nov 2018, 7:17 am

^^^^

I too wish people could have intelligent conversations in which they disagree. This is an important part of living together, whether in a relationship or in a community. It is also an important opportunity for learning and developing for each person involved.

For those who posted, stating it is impossible to do this, please read and/or listen to the original information I posted. These people DID disagree and DID listen and understand each other and became friends. I realize that many people think this is not possible, but it is. So, instead of just stating listening and mutual respect can never happen, please observe this can and has happened.


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29 Nov 2018, 7:42 am

^^^ It happens all the time.

If it didn’t, we couldn’t survive as a species.

Even brute animals cooperate with each other. Or else they would die off, too.



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29 Nov 2018, 9:11 am

I'm afraid that I simply lack the requisite skills to communicate effectively with people who think that Obama is a Socialist Muslim Kenyan and that we're being invaded by Islamic Brotherhood jihadists cleverly disguised as Honduran children with smallpox in a nefarious plot by George Soros to inflict health care on everyone and steal Christmas.

I simply never learned how to speak fluent Stupid.



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29 Nov 2018, 10:50 am

I've met some people like that----but not many.



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30 Nov 2018, 2:38 am

Back when I was a kid, I recall how we were taking my great uncle out to eat and the store. Well, my great uncle could have fit very well with the Alt Right today. All through the car ride, my great uncle was going on and on about his far right views, and how the Democrats were simply terrible people. And all that time, I heard my dad growling under his breath: "You stupid son-of-a- b***h!... You stupid son-of-a-bitch...!," over and over in barely restrained rage. As my great uncle was jabbering nonstop, he apparently never heard my dad. :lol:


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