Have the Dems given up on white working class midwesteners?

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03 Dec 2018, 3:19 pm

Why Bruce Springsteen thinks Donald Trump is going to win again in 2020

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Bruce Springsteen isn't a big fan of President Donald Trump.

"He's deeply damaged at his core," the New Jersey-born rocker recently told Esquire magazine. "Anyone in that position who doesn't deeply feel those ties that bind is a dangerous man, and it's very pitiful."

That's no big surprise. Springsteen is an outspoken liberal; he campaigned for John Kerry in 2004 and performed at Barack Obama's second inauguration.
What IS a big surprise is what Springsteen told the Sunday Times in an interview in advance of the release later this month of his long-running Broadway show on Netflix.
"I don't see anyone out there at the moment ... the man who can beat Trump, or the woman who can beat Trump," Springsteen said of the potential 2020 Democratic field. "You need someone who can speak some of the same language [as Trump] ... and the Democrats don't have an obvious, effective presidential candidate."

Which is an interesting analysis -- particularly when you consider that the Democratic field is likely to be the largest in modern American history, with two dozen (or more) candidates expected to run. One would think that, given the expected size of the field, there would be at least one candidate -- and maybe a few -- who Springsteen believes can take on and beat Trump.

And Springsteen's specific doubt about the Democratic field -- "you need someone who can speak some of the same language" as the President -- is a very important one.
Dismiss Springsteen as just another liberal rock star if you will (and he is!), but also remember that Springsteen's roots are in a working-class, blue-collar community -- and that he has spent his entire life writing about and trying to explain the hopes, fears and anxieties of those communities to the country and the world.

That said, I do think there are candidates in the field -- or potential field -- who would fit more of what Springsteen is looking for. Former Vice President Joe Biden has practically changed his middle name to "Hardscrabble roots in Scranton." And Ohio Sen. Sherrod Brown is the sort of gravel-voiced populist that might appeal to Bruce. Pete Buttigieg, the former mayor of South Bend, Indiana, is not nearly as well known as Biden and Brown but has a similar pitch -- that Democrats need to start reaching Midwesterner voters, especially white working class ones, again.
The question before Democrats, to my mind, is not whether they have a candidate -- or candidates -- who can fight Trump for white blue-collar voters in the Midwest by speaking some of the "same language" as Trump, to borrow Springsteen's phrasing. The question is whether the party's base, which is increasingly coastal, non-white and liberal, wants to even consider a candidate like that as the party's standard-bearer against Trump.

If 2018 is any indication, they don't. No matter what Springsteen thinks.


Interesting coming from CNN

I disagree with the column in a few areas. I think even if god forbid the democrates nominate Hillary again they will still win because
1. Unlike 2016 when a Trump presidency seemed unlikely, now it is a reality. The price of not voting for the lesser of two evils is unmistakable.
2. There are some indicators the long economic recovery is coming to an end

The blue wave was in part a product of them running candidates appropriate for thier districts, Democratic socialists in minority districts and districts with very educated
mellenials, Conor Lamb and military vets in more conservaive districts.

In 2020 the democrates will not have that option they will have to choose. There is a large part of thier base that feels like seeking the white working class vote is a waste of time and money because they are old racist sexist pigs who are dying out and if they try anything the US military will crush the gun nuts. The demographic trends indicate they have a case. Problem is there is a price to pay when it is decided a certain segment of the population is incorrigible. The Clinton democrates did just that with the working class whites and the “permanent black underclass” and we have paid a price.


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03 Dec 2018, 3:36 pm

You could have written the same header 10 years ago. And I would have replied, "Yeah, about 15 or more years ago!"


The Democrats are every bit as repulsive as Trump and the Republicans - perhaps even worse. They're wolves in sheep's clothing. The good thing about having Trump as president is that now everything is out in the open, which might wake more people up. But I'm not holding my breath.


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03 Dec 2018, 4:09 pm

It appears that they did give up on "white working class Midwesterners". Or maybe it could be said that for the first time in 2016, "white working class Midwesterners gave up on the Democratic party but the party had given up on them long before 2016?

I do believe the group of people you describe who were previously faithful Democrats did abandon the party in 2016. I think this because never before had I seen rural farmers vote republican practically en masse. Seeing Trump signs all over rural farm country in 2016 was something that never would have even been seriously considered prior to that.


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03 Dec 2018, 7:41 pm

The Dems are certainly letting that line stretch and fray. Because unionized blue collar workers had traditionally the cornerstone of the Democratic party, perhaps the party leadership has taken for granted that they'd always be there. The Democrats definitely need to reconnect with these people, and stop courting mega donors and financial giants.


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03 Dec 2018, 11:34 pm

I would think most potential Democrats come with a lot of anti-union baggage.

Biden, Clinton, Bloomberg all strongly support the TPP.

Trump is going to be able to attack them from the left.

Delicious entertainment to see. :P

Democrats will have to explain why conservative - pro-business - principals are better. :)


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03 Dec 2018, 11:48 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
I would think most potential Democrats come with a lot of anti-union baggage.

Biden, Clinton, Bloomberg all strongly support the TPP.

Trump is going to be able to attack them from the left.

Delicious entertainment to see. :P

Democrats will have to explain why conservative - pro-business - principals are better. :)
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Unless the Democrats - especially the new Democrats on the scene - rediscover their roots.


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04 Dec 2018, 9:30 am

My Cr0.02...

Remember the term "Flyover States"? It was used to refer to those places between the two coasts where neither party made any great campaign effort. Coincidentally, most of these states are in the Midwest, where there are a lot of white working-class people.



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04 Dec 2018, 12:17 pm

The British media campaign trail, is far from over. ''The Brexit means Brexit'' vote is having politicians moaning from the British Islands, to the The Virgin Islands and wondering whether to stash more public money up their arses or in their dogged determination for net migration.
Obviously, this has nothing to do with civil representation of the working classes after Cameron and Thatcher both killed it. And don't even get me started on Osborne or the Lib Dems or Labour planting their feet in the treacle.



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06 Dec 2018, 3:05 am

The Dems have given up on the class struggle.


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06 Dec 2018, 8:29 am

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...there is a price to pay when it is decided a certain segment of the population is incorrigible.

A certain segment of the population is incorrigible. Spanky was "elected" by 26% of the population, receiving 3 million votes less than his opponent. Based upon any number of metrics (including racism), Spanky's electoral base is, at best, not very bright; more Americans believe in UFO's than thought that ignorant neo-Fascist son-of-a-bitch would be a good president. Trying to coax, convince, or cajole people who think the Earth is 5,000 years old and that the reason there are no dinosaurs is that they couldn't fit on Noah's Ark is not only a complete waste of time, it's deeply self-defeating. The more "centrist" Third-Way Democrats try to be in order to draw off a few of Spanky's knuckle-dragging Brownshirts, the less Democratic they become, abandoning core Democratic principles and alienating the Democratic Party's core constituencies. Face it; forty years ago, nobody would've called Bernie Sanders a Socialist; he would have been considered a rather run-of-the-mill Democrat; Hillary Clinton would've been called a Regan Republican. However, it absolutely does not matter how far the Democrats swing to the right; they'll never attract Trumpanistas. Trump supporters are nothing if not tribal; they'd rather be flayed alive and stretched on the rack than vote for a Democrat; they are incorrigible. Trump was correct in his assertion that he could shoot someone in the middle of the street in broad daylight and not loose any votes. Meanwhile, Citizens United v. FEC has transformed campaign financing into orgiastic blatant bribery with "elected" offices going to the highest bidder; those who will serve the interests of the kleptocratic "donor class", not the working class; white, midwestern, or otherwise. That's what you inevitably get when it costs $5.2 million to get elected to an office that only pays $174,000 a year. For Republicans, this does not matter, as the 26% who voted for Trump will gladly vote for a millionaire who'll promise to take away their Food Stamps and Medicaid just as long as he hates the same minorities as virulently as they do. However, for Democrats, this is fatal; this means an outright blatant betrayal of the poor and working class that has historically formed their electoral base in order to obsequiously serve the exclusive economic interests of their oppressors. This has been the secret of Republican electoral success for years (liberally greased with voter suppression and gerrymandering); the Republicans pander shamelessly to their base; no matter how ignorant, cockamamie, and hateful. On the other hand, the Democrats piss all over theirs, smugly assuming that on Election Day, the blue-collar workers they've betrayed so egregiously will choke back their vomit and vote Democratic anyway rather than vote for a Republican. I guess it never occurred to them that there was a third option; in 2016, 42% of the population just said 'f**k it' and stayed home.
So far, I don't see how any clever attempt to simply rebrand the Democratic Party is going to yield anything more compelling than what they are; "Republican Lite".



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06 Dec 2018, 8:55 am

They are now Trump supporters and they are behind their man. They have been forgotten by the Democrats. It was Hilary Clinton that blatantly disrespected them and they voted for Trump in the key States that decided the Presidential election.



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06 Dec 2018, 3:10 pm

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They are now Trump supporters and they are behind their man. They have been forgotten by the Democrats. It was Hilary Clinton that blatantly disrespected them and they voted for Trump in the key States that decided the Presidential election.


Let's see what happens next time when the Democratic candidate isn't Clinton.


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08 Dec 2018, 9:07 pm

The Alt-Right prays on marginalised and powerless groups. If the Dems don't do something to help or at least acknowledge this marginalised group, they'll be easy prey for the Alt-Right.


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08 Dec 2018, 9:09 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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They are now Trump supporters and they are behind their man. They have been forgotten by the Democrats. It was Hilary Clinton that blatantly disrespected them and they voted for Trump in the key States that decided the Presidential election.


Let's see what happens next time when the Democratic candidate isn't Clinton.


If the Dems are smart they won't choose a clone of her either.


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08 Dec 2018, 9:35 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Aspie19828 wrote:
They are now Trump supporters and they are behind their man. They have been forgotten by the Democrats. It was Hilary Clinton that blatantly disrespected them and they voted for Trump in the key States that decided the Presidential election.


Let's see what happens next time when the Democratic candidate isn't Clinton.


If the Dems are smart they won't choose a clone of her either.


Agreed.


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