Have the Dems given up on white working class midwesteners?

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Why Bruce Springsteen thinks Donald Trump is going to win again in 2020

Interesting coming from CNN

I disagree with the column in a few areas. I think even if god forbid the democrates nominate Hillary again they will still win because
1. Unlike 2016 when a Trump presidency seemed unlikely, now it is a reality. The price of not voting for the lesser of two evils is unmistakable.
2. There are some indicators the long economic recovery is coming to an end

The blue wave was in part a product of them running candidates appropriate for thier districts, Democratic socialists in minority districts and districts with very educated
mellenials, Conor Lamb and military vets in more conservaive districts.

In 2020 the democrates will not have that option they will have to choose. There is a large part of thier base that feels like seeking the white working class vote is a waste of time and money because they are old racist sexist pigs who are dying out and if they try anything the US military will crush the gun nuts. The demographic trends indicate they have a case. Problem is there is a price to pay when it is decided a certain segment of the population is incorrigible. The Clinton democrates did just that with the working class whites and the “permanent black underclass” and we have paid a price.

You could have written the same header 10 years ago. And I would have replied, "Yeah, about 15 or more years ago!"


The Democrats are every bit as repulsive as Trump and the Republicans - perhaps even worse. They're wolves in sheep's clothing. The good thing about having Trump as president is that now everything is out in the open, which might wake more people up. But I'm not holding my breath.

It appears that they did give up on "white working class Midwesterners". Or maybe it could be said that for the first time in 2016, "white working class Midwesterners gave up on the Democratic party but the party had given up on them long before 2016?

I do believe the group of people you describe who were previously faithful Democrats did abandon the party in 2016. I think this because never before had I seen rural farmers vote republican practically en masse. Seeing Trump signs all over rural farm country in 2016 was something that never would have even been seriously considered prior to that.

The Dems are certainly letting that line stretch and fray. Because unionized blue collar workers had traditionally the cornerstone of the Democratic party, perhaps the party leadership has taken for granted that they'd always be there. The Democrats definitely need to reconnect with these people, and stop courting mega donors and financial giants.

I would think most potential Democrats come with a lot of anti-union baggage.

Biden, Clinton, Bloomberg all strongly support the TPP.

Trump is going to be able to attack them from the left.

Delicious entertainment to see.

Democrats will have to explain why conservative - pro-business - principals are better.

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Unless the Democrats - especially the new Democrats on the scene - rediscover their roots.

My Cr0.02...

Remember the term "Flyover States"? It was used to refer to those places between the two coasts where neither party made any great campaign effort. Coincidentally, most of these states are in the Midwest, where there are a lot of white working-class people.

The British media campaign trail, is far from over. ''The Brexit means Brexit'' vote is having politicians moaning from the British Islands, to the The Virgin Islands and wondering whether to stash more public money up their arses or in their dogged determination for net migration.
Obviously, this has nothing to do with civil representation of the working classes after Cameron and Thatcher both killed it. And don't even get me started on Osborne or the Lib Dems or Labour planting their feet in the treacle.

The Dems have given up on the class struggle.

A certain segment of the population is incorrigible. Spanky was "elected" by 26% of the population, receiving 3 million votes less than his opponent. Based upon any number of metrics (including racism), Spanky's electoral base is, at best, not very bright; more Americans believe in UFO's than thought that ignorant neo-Fascist son-of-a-bitch would be a good president. Trying to coax, convince, or cajole people who think the Earth is 5,000 years old and that the reason there are no dinosaurs is that they couldn't fit on Noah's Ark is not only a complete waste of time, it's deeply self-defeating. The more "centrist" Third-Way Democrats try to be in order to draw off a few of Spanky's knuckle-dragging Brownshirts, the less Democratic they become, abandoning core Democratic principles and alienating the Democratic Party's core constituencies. Face it; forty years ago, nobody would've called Bernie Sanders a Socialist; he would have been considered a rather run-of-the-mill Democrat; Hillary Clinton would've been called a Regan Republican. However, it absolutely does not matter how far the Democrats swing to the right; they'll never attract Trumpanistas. Trump supporters are nothing if not tribal; they'd rather be flayed alive and stretched on the rack than vote for a Democrat; they are incorrigible. Trump was correct in his assertion that he could shoot someone in the middle of the street in broad daylight and not loose any votes. Meanwhile, Citizens United v. FEC has transformed campaign financing into orgiastic blatant bribery with "elected" offices going to the highest bidder; those who will serve the interests of the kleptocratic "donor class", not the working class; white, midwestern, or otherwise. That's what you inevitably get when it costs $5.2 million to get elected to an office that only pays $174,000 a year. For Republicans, this does not matter, as the 26% who voted for Trump will gladly vote for a millionaire who'll promise to take away their Food Stamps and Medicaid just as long as he hates the same minorities as virulently as they do. However, for Democrats, this is fatal; this means an outright blatant betrayal of the poor and working class that has historically formed their electoral base in order to obsequiously serve the exclusive economic interests of their oppressors. This has been the secret of Republican electoral success for years (liberally greased with voter suppression and gerrymandering); the Republicans pander shamelessly to their base; no matter how ignorant, cockamamie, and hateful. On the other hand, the Democrats piss all over theirs, smugly assuming that on Election Day, the blue-collar workers they've betrayed so egregiously will choke back their vomit and vote Democratic anyway rather than vote for a Republican. I guess it never occurred to them that there was a third option; in 2016, 42% of the population just said 'f**k it' and stayed home.
So far, I don't see how any clever attempt to simply rebrand the Democratic Party is going to yield anything more compelling than what they are; "Republican Lite".

They are now Trump supporters and they are behind their man. They have been forgotten by the Democrats. It was Hilary Clinton that blatantly disrespected them and they voted for Trump in the key States that decided the Presidential election.

Let's see what happens next time when the Democratic candidate isn't Clinton.

The Alt-Right prays on marginalised and powerless groups. If the Dems don't do something to help or at least acknowledge this marginalised group, they'll be easy prey for the Alt-Right.

If the Dems are smart they won't choose a clone of her either.

Agreed.

Democrats are so Hollywood and out of touch with with hard working working class Americans. Working class Americans do not care about climate change or social media fads the Hollywood elites push. Working class only care about keeping their jobs or finding jobs and living for today. Trump appeals more to the working class Americans than the Democrats pushing issues like climate change and social media fads.