Ben Shapiro on transgender kids

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If you have actual interest in this particular subject, evolutionary biology watch this JRE Episode, the whole episode covers gender, sex among many species and also dives into modern humans and social construct. It's Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying's life work(Evolutionary biology). He is a very intelligent person and I even watched him and Richard Dawkins having civil debates of their takes on evolutionary biology. I know you hate conservatives, let me point out that despite what you may have heard, Bret Weinstein is politically progressive left.

Exactly what I have come to learn as instinctual signaling.

I'm not sure what you are saying. If you are talking about toxic masculinity, that is not strictly a white male thing, it's more commonly a typical male thing.

That's just cultural. In some tribes, the men wear colorful makeup and the women ask them out. The naturalistic fallacy may apply here, not everything that seems natural is healthy. Desire for sugar, fat, and alcohol for instance.

I'm talking about listening to our "leaders" and what you can expect in the way of help from government, based on what has happened recently with similar issues.

They aren't going to give a 3 year old blockers or hormones so I don't see anything wrong with letting them live as any gender they want. If a kid is truly distressed about their body, you take them to a therapist. That is what parents have done anyway with their trans kids because they were having depression or anxiety or behavior or because they caught them trying to cut off their penis. Being supportive of your child helps with their mental health and you have a happy child.

Why would a child need to take hormones anyway if they haven't even hit puberty? I know they give puberty blockers to small children with precocious puberty but I don't think they would give them that to a 9 year old old going through puberty even if it is giving them distress. I am not trans but puberty was very difficult for me and I felt distressed about my body. Hated that I was growing breasts and pubic hair, hate dhow tall I was and that I was forced into the Juniors section because I was too tall to wear a girls size 16 and I felt uncomfortable when anyone thought I was older when I didn't care when I was younger until puberty. No I wasn't trans and I was depressed and felt suicidal but I felt that way for other reasons too. Kids do know who they are. There is also body dysmorphia. It's like a dysphoria about your own body except with flaws. You are fine with your sex and gender but you are uncomfortable with whatever you have on your body, it could be shape or size, shape of your nose or ears, etc. People who are rich are privileged to have these surgeries because they have money to get it done. Plus I was always younger on the inside so it made puberty very difficult for me and I used to hide my body because I hated it. I could never look thin enough for me to feel happy with my body.

Puberty blockers are also used on trans kids now to delay their puberty before they start hormone treatment which is why trans kids seemed to look very youthful in their teen years and why they have a late puberty. They go from blockers to hormones so late puberty and their body changes into whatever gender they are,

Nothing is just cultural. We are a biological evolving species, never at any point do we escape evolution. You are simply pointing out different aspects of evolution and signaling within other cultures.


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All I'm saying is something as impacting as this can have on society should have proper research so we do not potentially cause more harm than good. It's certainly a wiser approach than just leaping in throwing caution to the wind. Yes, puberty can be difficult, does that mean we should stop it? Do you wish you were put on puberty blockers? At this day in age, you simply being uncomfortable with puberty can land you on puberty blockers "at age 9". If so, imagine how more of an outcast you may have felt being 18 with no breasts. To point something out, they are putting children on puberty blockers as young as 9 years old and trans activists are even making a fuss saying they should be started at younger ages.

Trans activists are attempting to squash science and study, attacking any scientist who dares to research things they disagree with. So no, we shouldn't just be listening to our leaders...aka the government. The leaders in science are scientists, not activists. They try to ruin scientists lives from producing information they disagree with, this is actually very popular practice in Canada.

It seems like most are missing the point entirely. So let me break it down to a simple question...

Should we study this issue, or throw caution to the wind and accept whatever result comes with it?

That's known as evolutionary psychology, and it's controversial. Certainly no scientist would agree that everything cultural is driven by evolution.

Agreed.
No, that does not follow. We evolved the ability to learn culture, but culture has qualities all it's own that have little to nothing to do with DNA.

Granted I'm not a biologist, but I just don't agree. I look more into the suggestion that culture has nothing to do with evolution. Every way humans or any species evolves different preferences may not be the best thing for the species, to me I don't see how that separates it from evolution. But I will look into it further.

I will keep researching, but what I'm already seeing is...

Cultural Darwinism applies it to almost any aspect of modern culture. It is a species of scientism that emphasizes evolutionary thought—and exploits the genetic notion of innateness. ... He coined the term ''memes,'' to denote an idea that spreads through a cultural equivalent of natural selection.

Dar·win·ismDictionary result for Darwinism
/ˈdärwəˌnizəm/Submit
noun
the theory of the evolution of species by natural selection advanced by Charles Darwin.

Sociocultural evolution, sociocultural evolutionism or cultural evolution are theories of cultural and social evolution that describe how cultures and societies change over time.

Natural selection
Main article: Natural selection
Further information: Sexual selection
Evolution by means of natural selection is the process by which traits that enhance survival and reproduction become more common in successive generations of a population. It has often been called a "self-evident" mechanism because it necessarily follows from three simple facts:[7]

Variation exists within populations of organisms with respect to morphology, physiology, and behaviour (phenotypic variation).
Different traits confer different rates of survival and reproduction (differential fitness).
These traits can be passed from generation to generation (heritability of fitness).

How I'm understanding it is culture is yet a more complex evolutionary factor which exists within humans and can actually be somewhat linked with natural selection, and every thing mentioned in the many different subjects are but different aspects of human evolution, hence the word evolution constantly attached "Cultural evolution", as a means to more specifically study a particular aspect of evolution. I will keep searching though.

Take the example of how our evolved culture is able to influence, not by passing genes but cultural trends and preference by means of social interactions. All it is is evolution of a much more complex creature, humans. It's not separate from evolution.

That's not true either. For instance, if a culture kills all it's tall children, then as a gene pool, that culture will get shorter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution ... _criticism

lol, my bad, that was a typo. I meant, I'll look more into the suggestion that culture has nothing to do with evolution. I thought you were saying culture was separate from evolution, I see culture as an aspect of human evolution, linked to natural selection by 'behavior'.



I will read the criticism. But take note that many criticisms exists, we have to take the information in and see how well it fits personally. Not much is in complete agreement, christian scientists try to insist humans came from god rather than evolved, I would assume you don't agree with that, that doesn't stop them from criticizing. I gotta do some cleaning, I'll get back on it in a little while.

Perhaps we are actually in agreement and I just used poor terminology, 'biological evolution', I meant Evolution. So I will rephrase. Culture is not separate from evolution.

I was only objecting to your notion that culture is solely the product of evolution. Evolution can influence culture, for instance, the phenomenon of euphoria from alcohol intake can influence culture, it probably drove the invention of agriculture.

I think I understand what you are saying. Like, psychedelics can have an influence on the evolution of a monkey.

What I meant, which makes it hard to relay my thoughts because you have a good education and I don't. What I meant was as we evolved language and became more specific with our communication, we eventually evolved the newer aspect, culture. Thus our evolution lead to us developing culture. And that culture has it's on means of influencing our evolution.

Why do you take Ben Shapiro seriously?

The magical thinking of guys who love logic: Why so many men online love to use “logic” to win an argument, and then disappear before they can find out they're wrong.