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16 Mar 2019, 6:39 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
It's the liberal media that need to be stopped.

Banning the media? isn't that totalitarian??



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16 Mar 2019, 6:59 pm

We need an independent media


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16 Mar 2019, 7:16 pm

How do we achieve an independent media?

The Guardian and Huffington post purport to be independent



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16 Mar 2019, 7:22 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
We need an independent media


There are independent news outlets. Here's one: https://www.democracynow.org/

And some more: https://truthout.org/#

https://theintercept.com

https://www.apnews.com/

https://www.reuters.com/

https://www.motherjones.com/



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16 Mar 2019, 7:28 pm

Unfortunately, independent doesn’t mean unbiased. It just means the media isn’t either a) state-run, or b) owned by a major corporation.

In the U.S., of the major news sources, ABC is probably the least biased.

Here is a good tool to use:

Media Bias Fact Check


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16 Mar 2019, 8:10 pm

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I have said that white supremacists / neo-nazis are a fringe element, rather than the majority of conservatives, as it seems to be implied at times. That there are not mass swarms of neo-nazis everywhere. This murderer acted on his own. He was not under the direction of some large neo-nazi organization. It is wrong to blame Muslims for terrorists acts committed in the name of Islam, because they are committed by a fringe minority. Yet it seems acceptable to blame conservatives and the President because of a fringe minority or because of someone acting on their own.


Even if Nazis aren't numerous, they still have proven they can cause huge death rates.


As have communists and the US.


We're not talking about my country, but about a racist lunatic who gunned down a bunch of people because of their religion and the color of their skin.


The US has killed more Muslims than anyone or anything over the last 30 years. It's the liberal media that need to be stopped.


Yeah, and we've killed plenty of white Christians. We're equal opportunity killers.


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17 Mar 2019, 7:31 am

Speaking of killing the death toll just went up to 50... :cry:



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17 Mar 2019, 7:57 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
I have said that white supremacists / neo-nazis are a fringe element, rather than the majority of conservatives, as it seems to be implied at times. That there are not mass swarms of neo-nazis everywhere. This murderer acted on his own. He was not under the direction of some large neo-nazi organization. It is wrong to blame Muslims for terrorists acts committed in the name of Islam, because they are committed by a fringe minority. Yet it seems acceptable to blame conservatives and the President because of a fringe minority or because of someone acting on their own.


Even if Nazis aren't numerous, they still have proven they can cause huge death rates.


same as red and Islamist terrorists, and cults like the one behind the gas attack in Tokyo.

I guess the conclusion is that all extremists can be a danger


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17 Mar 2019, 8:25 am

Skilpadde wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
I have said that white supremacists / neo-nazis are a fringe element, rather than the majority of conservatives, as it seems to be implied at times. That there are not mass swarms of neo-nazis everywhere. This murderer acted on his own. He was not under the direction of some large neo-nazi organization. It is wrong to blame Muslims for terrorists acts committed in the name of Islam, because they are committed by a fringe minority. Yet it seems acceptable to blame conservatives and the President because of a fringe minority or because of someone acting on their own.


Even if Nazis aren't numerous, they still have proven they can cause huge death rates.


same as red and Islamist terrorists, and cults like the one behind the gas attack in Tokyo.

I guess the conclusion is that all extremists can be a danger

That's why they're called extremists.

This guy in his manifesto, very much a hammer and nails view to solving problems, just kill your way to solving every problem. Kill everyone non-white, kill race traitors such as white converts to Islam, kill politicians that are against his vision, kill company CEOs that hire immigrants or support diversity, kill your local drug dealer, might be more I don't remember right now.



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17 Mar 2019, 9:55 am

Police reveal how they caught the alleged gunman

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The police officers who dragged an alleged gunman from a car following a shooting at two Christchurch mosques came straight from a training session on how to deal with armed offenders

The officers, who the Herald has agreed not to name, are both based in smaller towns out of Christchurch.

Their boss rural response manager Senior Sergeant Pete Stills said the pair had travelled into Christchurch to attend a training session at Princess Margaret Hospital in Cashmere.

The training was held on a disused floor of the hospital and was around room clearance and dealing with offenders in armed incidents.

"They were actually training when the call came through that there was an active armed offender in Christchurch," Stills told the Herald.

"They had their work vehicles there with them with firearms in them.

"They operationalised themselves and got into one car, they decided to skirt the city, they thought that's what the offender would do - rather than drive through the CBD.

"They were driving on Brougham Street because they thought if he'd just been to Linwood [the second mosque attacked] that's a route he might take."

Moments later they spotted a suspicious car.

"They saw someone fitting the description of the offender coming towards them," Stills said.

"The car was weaving in and out of lanes with its hazard lights on.

"They confirmed the rego, that it was the right car, and did a U-turn."

Stills said the officers have more than 40 years of policing between them and had the experience to handle the situation.

"They were trying to catch up with him, they were discussing tactics - did they want to pursue him?"

Stills said the officers weighed up a pursuit, where the gunman could have got away and "unleashed" on more innocent members of the public.

They also had to consider whether pursuing him would cause a crash which could also be fatal and involve innocent road users.

"They decided to bring it to an end as quickly as possible and they decided to immobilise the car by ramming it," Stills said.

They rammed the gunman's car on the driver's side and footage supplied to the Herald shows the officers dragging him out of the passenger side.

Stills said one officer saw "high risk" items in the back of the car and ran back round to the police car to radio the information in and warn other police.

He believed those items would put his colleagues in danger and wanted to tell them to stay back.

While doing that he lost sight of the alleged gunman and was worried for his colleague so he abandoned the plan and went back to the passenger side.

"He yelled at members of the public to get back," said Stills.

"The car posed a danger."

Once the alleged gunman was contained both officers used the radio to alert other police to the situation.

Stills has heard those communications - as has Police Commissioner Mike Bush.

Bush said the alleged gunman did not give himself up and was "non compliant".

Stills said his officers remained composed throughout.

"I was surprised how calm and collected they were," he said.

"They wouldn't have been scared, we practice for this stuff - to be honest, it was lucky two officers with that amount of service and experience were there.

"One of the officers phoned me straight after to advise me that they'd damaged a car."

Stills said it was the second car from his patch damaged in a week and he'd previously told staff not to wreck any others as they were already short.

He wasn't worried though when he heard what his staff had accomplished.

He commended them for their work and hoped that one day they could tell their stories in their own words.

"It was a good catch," he said.

"You could police for 100 years and not get an apprehension anywhere near that good.

"They did a good job."

At this stage the officers are not able to comment on the shooting or apprehending the suspect as the investigation is ongoing.

Footage of the arrest has been widely shared on social media and the officers have been hailed as heroes by many including Police Commissioner Bush.

He said without their brave actions, it was likely more people would have been killed.

Stills has spoken to both officers at length about their actions.

The men said they were not - and did not want to be described as - heroes.

"They were just doing their jobs, what they are trained to do," Stills said.


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18 Mar 2019, 1:17 am

9 people are still on the critical list in NZ hospitals including a child...



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18 Mar 2019, 2:07 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
Unfortunately, independent doesn’t mean unbiased. It just means the media isn’t either a) state-run, or b) owned by a major corporation.

In the U.S., of the major news sources, ABC is probably the least biased.

Here is a good tool to use:

Media Bias Fact Check


A couple of the least biased independent sources I've found are Reuters and AP (Associated Press). Not just among least biased, but among the lest sensationalistic. And have been around for a long time.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/associated-press/

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/reuters/



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18 Mar 2019, 4:05 am

This has little to do with Trump, right-wing or left-wing in my opinion...

This is simply part of the never-ending Jewish-Christian-Muslim blood-shedding world war that it never ended actually; these 3 religions have been slaughtering each other since ever (and between sects within each too, except the Jews); just check for instance the Christian Egypt history, the slaughter of the Jews by "Saint" Cyril, the Spanish inquisition, the Ottoman wars, the Armenian genocide, the holocaust, Al Nakba ...etc

Christians and Muslims never liked each other and never will.



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18 Mar 2019, 6:11 am

cyberdad wrote:
How do we achieve an independent media?

The Guardian and Huffington post purport to be independent


They are both establishment mouthpieces spreading fake stories and propaganda.


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18 Mar 2019, 7:54 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
This has little to do with Trump, right-wing or left-wing in my opinion...

This is simply part of the never-ending Jewish-Christian-Muslim blood-shedding world war that it never ended actually; these 3 religions have been slaughtering each other since ever (and between sects within each too, except the Jews); just check for instance the Christian Egypt history, the slaughter of the Jews by "Saint" Cyril, the Spanish inquisition, the Ottoman wars, the Armenian genocide, the holocaust, Al Nakba ...etc

Christians and Muslims never liked each other and never will.


Do we know if the shooter is Christian?