What is The Most Practical Major for an Autistic?

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01 May 2019, 6:25 pm

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My opinion without all of the Politically correct, you can do anything you set your mind to, positive attitude bullshit.

With rare exceptions, autistic people including myself is to disabled for competitive employment. Parents need to accept this fact, quit trying to mainstream autistic folks and move on. It doesn't work and the statistics prove this as true. Claim them disability, save up for them and make it to where they have some form trust fund. If you as a potential parent can't do this don't f*****g have children unless you can up for them. Employers will never accept us into their employ and quiet honestly would it make business sense to accept us with all of our issues including but not limited to more detailed instructions and more time to do things. Will this fly with employers who can tell other NT employees to do the same things with less issues. Less issues means less time spent and time is money.

B4 anyone says I'm being to negative would you rather I lie to you and fake positivity and pretend for something which is not so or would I rather tell you the truth no matter how harsh or negative it is. I'd rather be a truthful negative person then a false and dishonest positive person. And, I'd rather have no hope for anything then false hope.


You're inviting people to mistreat you by acting this way.


Acting like what way? Telling the truth? And, those who would mistreat me would mistreat me no matter how I act. It's time to cut the s**t.


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And, what have I said that is inaccurate?

And, here's another problem with what you said. It seems like "you're blaming the victim." It's like saying if I buy a mercedez benz I'm inviting others to rob me.

Look at these stats from the bureau of labor statistics.

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/disabl.t01.htm

Look at the numbers for those who are employed, unemployed and not in the labor force of the disabled vs non-disabled. For the disabled there are more not in the labor force then either the employed or unemployed. For the non-disabled there are more employed then either the unemployed or not in the labor force.

Like I said, I think it's time to cut the s**t. If the numbers are correct 85% of autistic folks are not in the employed category. If I'm right this is actually an outlier for those with disabilities whom are employed, unemployed and not in the labor force. In other words, for autistic people the situation is worse then those are are disabled but not ASD.

It isn't just our lack of social skills that impact us on the spectrum. Some of us have extreme executive functioning deficits as well as central auditory processing disorder.

With rare exception, the truth of the matter is that we as autistics are simply to disabled to be employed. It is time for us to accept this and it is time for our families as well as society to accept this. We as autistics are to impaired to be employed.


I dunno, man. I haven't really "read" your "post," but the statistics I've heard is that 33% of the autistic population is employed and I think that includes the about 30% who are low functioning, meaning roughly half of high functioning autistics are employed.

The autistic rights movement says "just a difference"; I'd argue "just a disability." In any case, we're apparently in agreement that programs and services would increase employment. I don't know if you've ever read, like, that book Neurotribes, but I trust its research more than a guy spouting trite conservative catchphrases.


1. What conservative catchphrases did I spout?

2. How do you derive that half of high functioning autistics are employed if only 33% of the total autistic population is employed. All the stats you've given me is that more then half of those autistics who are employed are high functioning. NOt the same as saying that half of high functioning autistics are employed.

Just b/c all apples are fruit is true doesn't mean that all fruit are apples is true.


u mad?



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01 May 2019, 7:15 pm

Dan82 wrote:
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My opinion without all of the Politically correct, you can do anything you set your mind to, positive attitude bullshit. With rare exceptions, autistic people including myself is to disabled for competitive employment. Parents need to accept this fact, quit trying to mainstream autistic folks and move on. It doesn't work and the statistics prove this as true. Claim them disability, save up for them and make it to where they have some form trust fund. If you as a potential parent can't do this don't f*****g have children unless you can up for them. Employers will never accept us into their employ and quiet honestly would it make business sense to accept us with all of our issues including but not limited to more detailed instructions and more time to do things. Will this fly with employers who can tell other NT employees to do the same things with less issues. Less issues means less time spent and time is money. B4 anyone says I'm being to negative would you rather I lie to you and fake positivity and pretend for something which is not so or would I rather tell you the truth no matter how harsh or negative it is. I'd rather be a truthful negative person then a false and dishonest positive person. And, I'd rather have no hope for anything then false hope.
You're inviting people to mistreat you by acting this way.
Agreed. It's a return to the days when people with "mental problems" (including autism) were banished to their parents' attics or sent off to asylums for the rest of their lives -- a truly barbaric practice.


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01 May 2019, 7:17 pm

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I am an English major. For me, my potential for success greatly depends on what I want to do with my degree.
Perhaps strike for Colonel in Her Majesty's military?

:wink: I know ... lame joke ... best I can do on a full day without coffee ...


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01 May 2019, 8:32 pm

Fnord wrote:
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My opinion without all of the Politically correct, you can do anything you set your mind to, positive attitude bullshit. With rare exceptions, autistic people including myself is to disabled for competitive employment. Parents need to accept this fact, quit trying to mainstream autistic folks and move on. It doesn't work and the statistics prove this as true. Claim them disability, save up for them and make it to where they have some form trust fund. If you as a potential parent can't do this don't f*****g have children unless you can up for them. Employers will never accept us into their employ and quiet honestly would it make business sense to accept us with all of our issues including but not limited to more detailed instructions and more time to do things. Will this fly with employers who can tell other NT employees to do the same things with less issues. Less issues means less time spent and time is money. B4 anyone says I'm being to negative would you rather I lie to you and fake positivity and pretend for something which is not so or would I rather tell you the truth no matter how harsh or negative it is. I'd rather be a truthful negative person then a false and dishonest positive person. And, I'd rather have no hope for anything then false hope.
You're inviting people to mistreat you by acting this way.
Agreed. It's a return to the days when people with "mental problems" (including autism) were banished to their parents' attics or sent off to asylums for the rest of their lives -- a truly barbaric practice.


People also crapped on/ostracized the parents of autistic people for a long time.

I think the idea of disability insurance is good for society. You don't know who's going to get saddled with these costs and it's good for society for people not for individuals to be randomly devastated. (Not that autism is always devastating, but I think it generally needs services and programs that are good for society.)



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02 May 2019, 2:46 am

Dan82 wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
Dan82 wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
Dan82 wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
Dan82 wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
My opinion without all of the Politically correct, you can do anything you set your mind to, positive attitude bullshit.

With rare exceptions, autistic people including myself is to disabled for competitive employment. Parents need to accept this fact, quit trying to mainstream autistic folks and move on. It doesn't work and the statistics prove this as true. Claim them disability, save up for them and make it to where they have some form trust fund. If you as a potential parent can't do this don't f*****g have children unless you can up for them. Employers will never accept us into their employ and quiet honestly would it make business sense to accept us with all of our issues including but not limited to more detailed instructions and more time to do things. Will this fly with employers who can tell other NT employees to do the same things with less issues. Less issues means less time spent and time is money.

B4 anyone says I'm being to negative would you rather I lie to you and fake positivity and pretend for something which is not so or would I rather tell you the truth no matter how harsh or negative it is. I'd rather be a truthful negative person then a false and dishonest positive person. And, I'd rather have no hope for anything then false hope.


You're inviting people to mistreat you by acting this way.


Acting like what way? Telling the truth? And, those who would mistreat me would mistreat me no matter how I act. It's time to cut the s**t.


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And, what have I said that is inaccurate?

And, here's another problem with what you said. It seems like "you're blaming the victim." It's like saying if I buy a mercedez benz I'm inviting others to rob me.

Look at these stats from the bureau of labor statistics.

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/disabl.t01.htm

Look at the numbers for those who are employed, unemployed and not in the labor force of the disabled vs non-disabled. For the disabled there are more not in the labor force then either the employed or unemployed. For the non-disabled there are more employed then either the unemployed or not in the labor force.

Like I said, I think it's time to cut the s**t. If the numbers are correct 85% of autistic folks are not in the employed category. If I'm right this is actually an outlier for those with disabilities whom are employed, unemployed and not in the labor force. In other words, for autistic people the situation is worse then those are are disabled but not ASD.

It isn't just our lack of social skills that impact us on the spectrum. Some of us have extreme executive functioning deficits as well as central auditory processing disorder.

With rare exception, the truth of the matter is that we as autistics are simply to disabled to be employed. It is time for us to accept this and it is time for our families as well as society to accept this. We as autistics are to impaired to be employed.


I dunno, man. I haven't really "read" your "post," but the statistics I've heard is that 33% of the autistic population is employed and I think that includes the about 30% who are low functioning, meaning roughly half of high functioning autistics are employed.

The autistic rights movement says "just a difference"; I'd argue "just a disability." In any case, we're apparently in agreement that programs and services would increase employment. I don't know if you've ever read, like, that book Neurotribes, but I trust its research more than a guy spouting trite conservative catchphrases.


1. What conservative catchphrases did I spout?

2. How do you derive that half of high functioning autistics are employed if only 33% of the total autistic population is employed. All the stats you've given me is that more then half of those autistics who are employed are high functioning. NOt the same as saying that half of high functioning autistics are employed.

Just b/c all apples are fruit is true doesn't mean that all fruit are apples is true.


u mad?


No.



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02 May 2019, 3:02 am

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My opinion without all of the Politically correct, you can do anything you set your mind to, positive attitude bullshit. With rare exceptions, autistic people including myself is to disabled for competitive employment. Parents need to accept this fact, quit trying to mainstream autistic folks and move on. It doesn't work and the statistics prove this as true. Claim them disability, save up for them and make it to where they have some form trust fund. If you as a potential parent can't do this don't f*****g have children unless you can up for them. Employers will never accept us into their employ and quiet honestly would it make business sense to accept us with all of our issues including but not limited to more detailed instructions and more time to do things. Will this fly with employers who can tell other NT employees to do the same things with less issues. Less issues means less time spent and time is money. B4 anyone says I'm being to negative would you rather I lie to you and fake positivity and pretend for something which is not so or would I rather tell you the truth no matter how harsh or negative it is. I'd rather be a truthful negative person then a false and dishonest positive person. And, I'd rather have no hope for anything then false hope.
You're inviting people to mistreat you by acting this way.
Agreed. It's a return to the days when people with "mental problems" (including autism) were banished to their parents' attics or sent off to asylums for the rest of their lives -- a truly barbaric practice.


Ya, it was a truly barbaric practice. But, it seems we switched from one to another.



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04 May 2019, 4:24 am

Here is how it is barbaric today.

a. Parents today try to mainstream their HFA children.

b. HFA symptoms sometimes is treated as a discipline issue instead of a disability sometimes by both parents and the school systems.

c. We also have ABA which seeks to make those with ASDs indistinguishable from their peers. In other words forcing conformity upon those to which they can't conform.

d. Expected to go to college and then muddle through the whole workplace and conforming to its social standards whether they can do it or not while at the same time being told to be themselves. Be yourself is not what you think it is.

e. Forced to endure all kinds of orwellian doublespeak. Be yourself really means to be your best self. This best self is defined by differing social situations. It is others who define whether consciously or unconsciously what these social standards and the correct responses are. In other words, we don't get to define who we are as the self. It is others who define it for us.

f. If we do something wrong socially we're punished and our autism (especially HFA) is no get out of jail free card like it is for other disabilities like mental retardation.

In other words, we gave up one barbaric practice for another.



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04 May 2019, 9:44 am

g. Some on the spectrum are homeless. At least if one was sent away or kept in the attic one was given three hots and a cot, well hopefully.

h. Being made fun of and bullied in school.

i. Depression all the time.

j. Expectations we can't fulfill yet we're expected to cause we're grown men or women.



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04 May 2019, 11:33 pm

Fnord, you're a rare breed. You were and are higher functioning enough to make it through the military including basic training and all the drills and marches you had to do. You were able to succeed with employers and rise through their ranks to management.

So, what did deinstitutionalization accomplish?

k. Now, instead of institutionalizing the mentally ill now we as a society have decided to put them in prison. Isn't that what our society did before institutions? How has it worked out for those who were severely mentally ill?

l. And, now these people are expected to care for themselves and pay for their own drugs out of their own pocket. And, some can't and why is that? That's due to their mental illness. You're saying that sending them away or keeping them up in the attic was barbaric. Well it seems like the way we handle our mentally ill is more barbaric.

Fnord, you and Dan are full of s**t!



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Like anyone else, there is no "one size fits all" when it comes to majors for people on the Autism Spectrum. Some people are more into the sciences and technologically oriented fields. Others are more into the liberal arts. I once was a Physics major. But, I changed to English because the Math requirement became too intense for me.


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With rare exceptions, autistic people including myself is to disabled for competitive employment. Parents need to accept this fact, quit trying to mainstream autistic folks and move on. It doesn't work and the statistics prove this as true. Claim them disability, save up for them and make it to where they have some form trust fund. If you as a potential parent can't do this don't f*****g have children unless you can up for them. Employers will never accept us into their employ and quiet honestly would it make business sense to accept us with all of our issues including but not limited to more detailed instructions and more time to do things.

There are actually some things that at least some autistic people can do more efficiently than most NT's. (See, for example, TSA may have the perfect job for autistic workers. Also, quite a few autistic people have done well in STEM fields, though not all of us have the talent for that, of course.)

Also, not all autistic people are sufficiently disabled to be eligible for SSI or SSDI.

There are also quite a few of us who are capable of working but cannot fit into most mainstream NT-dominated workplaces. But please see also the separate thread on Autistic-friendly workplaces.


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11 Jun 2019, 8:08 pm

I'm currently earning my core credits in the community college. When I transfer to Purdue, I want to major in Ecological Engineering. I want a well-rounded program oriented toward saving the planet, so that's why I chose this one. I also find small groups or one on one are better for me than large groups. Large groups just exhaust me.



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04 Jul 2019, 5:16 pm

It's definitely wise of you to know what kind of work environment you desire. I find that a lot of jobs these days require needing to work in a 'team-oriented' environment..even in my field of IT/cybersecurity. However, Programming and Accounting/Finance might be your best bet. Both seem rather marketable, entails 'independent work', and frequently being in front of a computer.

I'm only speaking from personal experience- but, I've seen several people of Library Science backgrounds typically needing to go back to school for a Masters in order to be marketable. People also tend to praise Computer Science. But, I wouldn't vouch for it if you are in a shitty dead-end rural location like myself (US Deep South to be exact). If you're American, kids in the East Coast, West Coast, or large metro areas tend to have better luck getting a job with such a degree. Location certainly does matter for certain lines of work.

If I could go back, I would have majored in Electrical Engineering- a broad field and typically accepted for various types of tech jobs. My original objective was Aerospace Engineering- but that got called off since my crappy state didn't have any schools with that major.


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There are actually some things that at least some autistic people can do more efficiently than most NT's. (See, for example, TSA may have the perfect job for autistic workers. Also, quite a few autistic people have done well in STEM fields, though not all of us have the talent for that, of course.)


What conditions was this study done under? Was it done under real-world conditions or was it simulated in a lab?

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Also, not all autistic people are sufficiently disabled to be eligible for SSI or SSDI.


True!

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There are also quite a few of us who are capable of working but cannot fit into most mainstream NT-dominated workplaces. But please see also the separate thread on Autistic-friendly workplaces.


True, but if I'm a parent of an asd child would it make sense to bank on autistic friendly workplaces or my child finding one? What is the prevalence of our disability? Come on Mona, look at the bureau of labor stats concerning those with disabilities. Look at the stories here on WP. Look at what employers require today. And, how effective has voc rehab been? What is their success rate? Put it all together and form the big picture. Wake up and smell the coffee.