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cyberdad
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16 Apr 2019, 6:03 pm

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Forgive me if I don't consider your selection of sources very credible, recent events considered.

And when you show me a disseminated document from the Trump administration suggesting the use of vehicular homicide as an excellent way to further their agenda (as ISIS have done) you maye have the ghost of a point.


What source, the mainstream news?

The mass shooter Brandon Tarrant (who shot 50 people in cold blood) is on the record of saying he was inspired by Donald Trump. Psychologists document exactly how irresponsible statements from Trump inspire psychopaths to kill not really unlike the ISIS nutjobs who are inspired by other irresponsible leaders to go out and kill.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/blog ... nz-shooter

Again science seems more believable than opinions of people trying to defend trump's legacy

Elliot Roger and a number of teenage shooters in the US are being fed propaganda by the alt-right
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la- ... story.html

Where the president creates a safe space for the right wing propaganda to flourish then he needs to take at least some responsibility for contributing to it.



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17 Apr 2019, 4:22 am

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What source, the mainstream news?


The mainstream news, like Npcdaily?


The difference, which you still seem to have difficulty grasping, is this:

Alt-right rag du jour: "Western countries have a birth rate below replacement levels. Here's our s**t opinion on saving the white race."

Random nutjob who reads alt-right rags: "Well, better do my part, it's killing spree time."

vs.

ISIS instruction manual: "Running over infidels with stolen trucks is a great way to further the cause of the Caliphate!"

Idiot who wants to further the cause of ISIS: "I should steal a truck and run over some infidels."


Quote:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/blog ... nz-shooter


"group-think is a thing, and here are 5 studies on if, the most recent one by far being 6 years old. Also, here's Trevor Noahs opinion"

stellar work...


Also, the NZ guy outright stated in his manifesto that he turned radical after his visit to France, not by being on the internet or by reading Trump-tweets.


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17 Apr 2019, 4:46 am

Trump may not have pulled the trigger but he needs to be held accountable for his (at best) ambivalence to make any critical comments about right wingers who (BTW) all seem to have been buoyed by his up front racial attacks on Mexicans, muslims and BLM



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17 Apr 2019, 5:05 am

Seems like Trump's opponents made it far more racist than Trump did himself.



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21 Apr 2019, 12:00 pm

There was a terror attack in Sri Lanka today. Officials say 450 injured as explosions hit four hotels and three churches in and around Colombo as well as at Batticaloa in east of country. Most of the dead were locals but 36 foreigners are believed to have been killed. Five British citizens have been confirmed to have lost their lives (including two who also hold US citizenship), as well as three people from India, one from Portugal and two from Turkey. The Dutch foreign minister said one of the country’s citizens was also killed. Britons were among the injured, the British high commissioner to Sri Lanka said.

No one has claimed responsibility for the attacks but several arrests have been made and Sri Lanka’s defence minister, Ruwan Wijewardene, said the culprits were religious extremists. He said seven people had been apprehended, while a police spokesman said three had been arrested with others questioned. The arrests were made as police raided a housing complex in in the Dematagoda neighbourhood of Colombo, three hours after the initial six blasts. Another blast occurred during the operation killing three police officers.

Source: Sri Lanka attacks: several arrested after 207 killed at hotels and churches on Easter Sunday
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A few weeks ago, I watched a movie titled "Hotel Mumbai" which was about a terror attack. It was about a terror attack that struck the heart of Mumbai, India, as members of Lashkar-e-Taiba storm the Taj Mahal Palace Hotel in a series of coordinated attacks throughout the city. Amid the gunfire and mayhem, a brave chef and kitchen worker decide to risk their own lives to try and protect the frightened guests. As the militants continue their assault on the hotel, a desperate couple must do whatever they can to protect their newborn baby.

Lashkar-e-Taiba is one of the largest and most active Islamist militant organisations in South Asia, operating mainly from Pakistan. It was founded in 1987 by Hafiz Saeed, Abdullah Azzam and Zafar Iqbal in Afghanistan, with funding from Osama bin Laden.

Ten Pakistani men associated with the terror group Lashkar-e-Tayyiba stormed buildings in Mumbai, killing 164 people. They traveled from Karachi, Pakistan, to Mumbai via boat. Along the way, they hijacked a fishing trawler and killed four crew members, throwing their bodies overboard. They also slit the captain's throat.
The terrorists docked at the Mumbai waterfront near the Gateway of India monument. They hijacked cars, including a police van, and split into at least three groups to carry out the attacks, according to police. The attackers used automatic weapons and grenades. The attackers struck the railway station, a cafe, a hospital, a Jewish community center, the Oberoi-Trident Hotel and the Taj Mahal Palace and Tower Hotel. Source: Mumbai Terror Attacks Fast Facts

The attack was well coordinated with the mastermind controlling the terrorist by cell phone live during the attacks.

I thought this movie was very reminiscent of the current attack in Sri Linka.



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22 Apr 2019, 10:34 am

Weeks before coordinated bombings ripped through churches and luxury hotels -- killing nearly 300 people on Easter Sunday -- authorities in Sri Lanka received warnings a domestic radical Muslim group would attack the nation on the Christian holy day.

Despite multiple warnings from international intelligence agencies, however, Sri Lanka’s security officials reportedly failed to heed the alerts and apparently took no action to protect against a potential attack. Authorities were first alerted to the threat April 4.

More than two weeks later, near-simultaneous blasts detonated at three churches and three luxury hotels in and around Colombo, the capital city. Two more explosions occurred hours later outside of Colombo – one at a guesthouse and the other near an overpass.

At least 290 people – including 39 foreigners – were killed and more than 500 people were injured. The government on Monday said the attacks were likely perpetrated by local militant group National Thowfeek Jamaath, a little-known radical Islamist organization.

A forensic analysis of body parts found at six sites determined seven suicide bombers conducted the coordinated assault. Most attacks were carried out by single bombers, but two men targeted the Shangri-La Hotel in Colombo.

Officials said all the bombers were Sri Lankan citizens, but authorities said foreign links to the plot were suspected. At least 24 suspects were in custody for questioning.

Source: Sri Lanka authorities warned of Easter church bombings weeks before Sunday's massacre



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22 Apr 2019, 12:05 pm

jimmy m wrote:
Weeks before coordinated bombings ripped through churches and luxury hotels -- killing nearly 300 people on Easter Sunday -- authorities in Sri Lanka received warnings a domestic radical Muslim group would attack the nation on the Christian holy day.

Despite multiple warnings from international intelligence agencies, however, Sri Lanka’s security officials reportedly failed to heed the alerts and apparently took no action to protect against a potential attack. Authorities were first alerted to the threat April 4.

More than two weeks later, near-simultaneous blasts detonated at three churches and three luxury hotels in and around Colombo, the capital city. Two more explosions occurred hours later outside of Colombo – one at a guesthouse and the other near an overpass.

At least 290 people – including 39 foreigners – were killed and more than 500 people were injured. The government on Monday said the attacks were likely perpetrated by local militant group National Thowfeek Jamaath, a little-known radical Islamist organization.

A forensic analysis of body parts found at six sites determined seven suicide bombers conducted the coordinated assault. Most attacks were carried out by single bombers, but two men targeted the Shangri-La Hotel in Colombo.

Officials said all the bombers were Sri Lankan citizens, but authorities said foreign links to the plot were suspected. At least 24 suspects were in custody for questioning.

Source: Sri Lanka authorities warned of Easter church bombings weeks before Sunday's massacre

9/11 deja vu


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23 Apr 2019, 7:31 am

ISIS claimed responsibility Tuesday morning for the coordinated Sri Lanka Easter bombings as the death toll in the massacre has risen to 321.

Sri Lankan officials also have blamed the domestic militant group National Thowfeek Jamaath for the bombings and authorities revealed the little-known outfit likely received assistance in carrying out the horrific plot.

Faith leaders in Sri Lanka told the Associated Press on Tuesday that National Thowfeek Jamaath's purported leader, known as Mohammed Zahran or Zahran Hashmi, started posting videos online three years ago calling for non-Muslims to be "eliminated.” They added that their repeated warnings about National Thowfeek Jamaath drew no visible reaction from officials responsible for public security.

"It was basically a hate campaign against all non-Muslims," said Hilmy Ahamed, the vice president of the Muslim Council of Sri Lanka. "Basically, he was saying non-Muslims have to be eliminated."

So far, 40 people have been arrested on suspicion of links to the bombings, including the driver of a van allegedly used by the suicide attackers and the owner of a house where some of them lived, the Associated Press reported. But their identities and affiliations have not yet been revealed.

Authorities also said they knew where National Thowfeek Jamaath trained and had safe houses, but did not identify any of the seven suicide bombers, whose bodies were recovered. All seven bombers were Sri Lankans.


Source: ISIS claims responsibility for Sri Lanka Easter bombings, but involvement not verified by officials



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23 Apr 2019, 9:08 am

Fox is not a great source of information but the link to the leader of the National Thowheeth Jama’ath being radicalised as far back as three years ago calling fro the death of non-muslims suggest planning for this attack was a long time in the making

Sri Lanka is a soft target due largely to the level of corruption in their own government.

Although I doubt most Americans even know where Sri Lanka is geographically located I did identify that an opposition party in Sri Lanka would be open to accept support from overseas terrorist organisation to overthrow a ruling government in Sri Lanka



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23 Apr 2019, 4:19 pm

IDK why in this thread people are fighting over if ISIS extremism or right wing extremism is worse.

As far as statistics yes ISIS has committed worse attacks and more attacks than right wing extremists here in the U.S. That said some people seem to be using that to claim since right wing extremists haven't committed as much violence as ISIS thus far...there isn't a problem with right wing extremists and white supremacists.


Extremism is extremism...I mean what are we arguing here that there are good extremists and bad extremists? right wing extremists=good because they have not killed as many people, Islam extremists=bad because they've killed more people?

Point should be all extremism is bad, not trying to figure out if its fair to see right wing extremists as just as bad as Islam extremists. But that is just my opinion.


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23 Apr 2019, 4:21 pm

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IDK why in this thread people are fighting over if ISIS extremism or right wing extremism is worse...
It's like arguing over whether Arsenic or Cyanide is more deadly -- both will kill you, and neither death is at all pleasant.


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23 Apr 2019, 8:01 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
IDK why in this thread people are fighting over if ISIS extremism or right wing extremism is worse.

As far as statistics yes ISIS has committed worse attacks and more attacks than right wing extremists here in the U.S. That said some people seem to be using that to claim since right wing extremists haven't committed as much violence as ISIS thus far...there isn't a problem with right wing extremists and white supremacists.


Extremism is extremism...I mean what are we arguing here that there are good extremists and bad extremists? right wing extremists=good because they have not killed as many people, Islam extremists=bad because they've killed more people?

Point should be all extremism is bad, not trying to figure out if its fair to see right wing extremists as just as bad as Islam extremists. But that is just my opinion.


It seems like the idea is that Trump = white wing extremists = ISIS.

Trump and his supporters = America's version of ISIS - MAGA's, Republicans, Conservatives are just as dangerous as ISIS.

As long as Trump is president, our ISIS-like domestic terror crisis will continue.



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23 Apr 2019, 8:05 pm

Most people aren't idiotic enough to think that.....at least I hope not!



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23 Apr 2019, 8:14 pm

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Most people aren't idiotic enough to think that.....at least I hope not!


It seems like that's what's being implied. How many actually believe it is another matter, but it certainly seems to be cycling through cyberspace. It seems whenever Islamic terrorists are mentioned, the retort is that our own white supremacist terrorists are just as bad, dangerous, worse and they're all pro-Trump MAGA Republican Conservative Christians.

Also my writing "Islamic terrorists" is racist. While writing pro-Trump MAGA Republican Conservative Christian terrorists is spot on.



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24 Apr 2019, 11:55 am

Cohen, a former member of Israel’s elite special forces, said the Easter attack on Sri Lanka churches, hotels and other sites that claimed the lives of more than 300 people showed that the Islamic State appears to be sowing terror through small, affiliated groups.

"The fact that Sri Lanka was able to be attacked by a terror group which essentially had no name at first before ISIS connected the thorns," Cohen said, "and the fact that this terror organization is connected to ISIS as a smaller proxy organization, or a puppet organization, and the fact that ISIS is able to connect these threads to wannabe, nomad terror groups" means the pressure on them "must stay on."

President Barack Obama in 2014 likened ISIS to a junior varsity basketball team in an attempt to downplay the terrorist group's level of threat to international security. "What I will say is unlike junior varsity sports teams, terror organizations are extremely well-funded by countries such as Iran," Cohen said, "continue to not only pay terrorists to carry out acts of terrorism, but fund their families in case they're lost in the acts of terrorism because they're looked at as heroes."

As the death toll from the Easter bombings in Sri Lanka rose to 321 on Tuesday, the Islamic State group, also known as ISIS, claimed responsibility and released images that purported to show the attackers, while the country’s prime minister warned that several suspects armed with explosives are still at large.

Cohen said that ISIS militants "are masters in guerrilla warfare, people shouldn't take this lightly." "They use...the dark web to build, plot, plan, and execute a wave of what we call nomad or solo terror attacks," Cohen said.


Source: Sri Lanka attack shows ISIS is not 'Junior Varsity': counter-terror expert