Presidential election 2020 USA

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I for one don't care about triumphing over the conservatives, I recognize there are liberals more focused on that than anything else but they don't represent us all. I care about the planet that is my motivation and it seems even with all the flaws and corruption of the democratic party....of the two parties, they'd be more likely to take action on it and design policies with the environment in mind even if it is more to do with social pressure than out of the goodness of their own heart. It is a matter of having to pick the lesser evil.

It would be nice if any kind of third party had any chance whatsoever, but in the current election process they never do..I've already tried the 3rd party route and I have little faith in that currently.

Also we should be using tech on the border, not a medieval wall that will destroy the ecosystems along the border. As it stands the wall could put the Rio Grande river at risk by causing blockage. I suspect that could increase the flood risk of land upstream of the border whilst potentially drying it out downstream. Granted its possible lawsuits will stop the wall through some key habitat areas and the river, but it has yet to be seen.

I'd mostly agree accept I find Biden extremely sketchy and would feel highly conflicted with him.
Currently, I'm liking Yang.

I'd go third party but this time around seems limited on options

Voting third party in a presidential election is effectively throwing your vote away. I agree that more than two viable parties is greatly needed but the way to build one is by committing to state & local elections to essentially build a caucus that will eventually make federal third party candidates viable on a national level. However, the political system status quo in the USA makes a third party extremely hard to grow over time, especially if nascent third parties just run a handful of candidates in primarily federal elections only. IMO.

Actually, I think voting for corporate politicians from either party is throwing our votes away, since it only maintains a broken system ruled by corporatists. We have been bamboozled into believing that there is a difference between Dems and Pubs, when that hasn't been the case for well over 30 years.

The narrative you're pushing is being driven by the corporatists. "Hey, don't bother voting for third-party and independents, they can't win! Ya gotta pick one of the two major candidates selected for you, via a rigged primary process!"

I guess we're f****d either way, eh?

True, both major parties are beholden to varying degrees to corporate interests. However, that's the system we currently have and voting for third party Presidential candidates does nothing to change it. And there is clearly a difference in policy positions and focus for the two major parties - saying there is no difference is simply promoting a false equivalency.

I'm not saying to not vote for third party candidates - I'm saying build a third party at the state & local levels if you're really serious about creating one. Simply casting a vote every four years for a spoiler Presidential candidate does nothing to challenge the status quo, other than making some voters think that's what they're doing. Down-ticket offices are key to building party support, as Republicans have clearly accepted for a while and Democrats only sometimes remember.

So far, I like Pete Buttigeige, as he's by far the most provably intelligent candidate out there, and as a minority (gay) he understands the need for empathy when it comes to others who have been been given the short end of the stick. Otherwise, I like Kamala Harris. I'd even vote for Biden as long as it's anyone but Trump.

The bolded section is obviously and demonstrably false. There are few countries in the West with as radical a divide between the two biggest parties as the USA. In the 70s the system was much less polarised, but these days there are very few moderate Republicans and very few conservative Democrats (at least, in power).

I would suggest you are either unfamiliar with American politics, or perhaps you place an unusually large amount of weight on one of the issues that they do agree on to the extent that you ignore the huge and meaningful differences between the two parties. Your life and your country would be much better if a few hundred people in Michigan, Wisconsin and Florida had voted for Hillary Clinton.

I would, however, agree with you that voting outside of these two parties is rarely a waste. Indeed, if you live in a safe state like Illinois then you should vote with your conscience. But in a marginal state like New Mexico, you should choose between the two candidates running for the big parties.

Voting is a meaningless, f*****g exercise if we don't have anyone worth voting for. I voted for Jill Stein in the last election with the hopes of pushing her to 5%, which would give the Green Party more leverage cycle. There's no way I'd vote for any other candidate in the Dem field besides Tulsi Gabbard. Corporate media shills like Maddow will always try to shame third-party voters, but they can shove that s**t straight up their elite asses. I no longer respond to their propaganda.

Hickenlooper or Klobuchar, maybe Inslee.

Any moderate Republican who can give Trump a run for his money in the primaries will also be considered.

I am going to vote for former Massachusetts govenor Bill Weld who is running against Trump in the republican primary

I am voting for Donald Trump because he is doing a good job on the economy and I support capitalism.

Jill was an open antivaxxer

Actually New Mexico is a solid blue state.

She had some issues with vaccines, but she wasn't an anti-vaxxer.


https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/is-gr ... i-vaccine/

Oh, that's rich! Somebody from another country telling me I'm unfamiliar with American politics. I can back up my claim all day long, and have been doing so for a very long time. I actually paid attention during the Obama years and realized he was every bit as horrible as his predecessor Bush. The Dems are actually more dangerous than the Pubs, because they try to make people believe they're progressives, then get in office and f**k over the people with as much vigor as the Pubs. You don't have any idea what you're talking about. It's best not to make an assertion if you haven't done any research.