Do you find "person first" language to be stupid?

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Yes I remember half the WP traffic in 2013 was "how Autism and Aspergers are not the same thing". I think Yale School of Psychology even came out with publications demonstrating how the original diagnosis had a neurological basis relating to motor neuron control among other things.

All it boiled down to was a perception that mainstream folks had a negative perception of autism so they wanted to stay "Aspies" as it didn't carry the same stigma.

I really don't care one way or another.

I am an autistic autist with autism. I like to autism autistically.

But anyway. You wouldn't call a woman a "person with female-ness" or an African-American a "person with black-ness". It's okay to say "diabetic" or "epileptic" and those are ten times worse than autism. How come we don't say "Person with diabetes" or "person with epilepsy"?

My thoughts exactly!

Well I guess people change between 2013 and 2019

Mostly different people posting then and now.

The DSM came out in 2013 now it has been in effect 6 years. Back then there was this idea that the DSM was going to "come to their senses" and revert the decision. Now it is pretty obvious that is not going to happen.

I joined WP in August 2013. I never saw that the majority of "Aspies" identified that way because they were ableist towered their fellow "lower functioning" autistics. There has always been aspie supremacist and NT's are stupid sheep threads and they are always heavily criticized.

These things tend to come and go in waves.

We should write a "history of the online autistic community"

The WP version of a "History of Hogwarts"

Re: "person with autism" vs. "autistic person": I use whichever one flows better in a given sentence. In most (though not all) contexts that would be "autistic person."

"Person with autism" often sounds clunky, especially in possessive form, e.g. "a person with autism's family" vs. "an autistic person's family."

But there are other contexts where person-first language flows more smoothly, e.g. "people with autism, ADHD, or other developmental differences."

Regarding the philosophical differences that seem to underly the quarrel between people with person-first language-ism and adjectivistic people: I'm inclined to agree with the adjectivistic people that autism is not detachable from the rest of one's personality.

^ Exactly as Mona said; a mild preference for the adjective forms semantically, but I have enough problem procrastinating about the words I use without having yet another prescriptive grammar rule to follow.

From what I can gather from talking to people with a range of different disabilities, there are few, if any, disability communities where "person-first" is preferred by the majority. But it would be wrong to think that this implies an "identity-first" ideology - ease of using the language, often with some resentment at rules being imposed from outside their communities, seems to be the most common motivation.

There are far better ways to determine whether someone is autism-friendly or not than analysing their grammar.

Are you NT?

I think everyone should mind their business and not police how other people define themselves.

Well I thought I was subclinical for a while but I walk like a duck and quack like a duck so I guess I am one...

Are you in a position where you don't need a Dx , don't care , or are there other factors stopping you?

Don't need one...operate pretty efficiently in the NT world although I am a bit of dick...

That's cool then. Luckily being a dick is not a crime yet so we won't get locked up

A lot of NT females I knew probably wished I was locked up but hey! I'm just a male...