What's up with all the conservatives on here?

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The problem with feminism is that it means many different things to many different people. I don't like the word "feminist" or "feminism" for that reason.

For example, if your version of feminism is that women and men should have equal rights under the law and equal opportunity to pursue their goals than I am with you. Many people who describe themselves as "feminist" do so with this definition in mind, but they tend to be quieter and drowned out by the people to whom feminism means something different.

Some people who describe themselves as "feminist" are militant misandrists. Some people who describe themselves as "feminist" believe that equality means a 50-50 ratio in everything. Some people who describe themselves as "feminists" believe in double standards that females should keep any special historical privilege they've had in the past while males should not have any special historical privilege they've had in the past.

The definition of feminism has changed.

Very unfortunately. The changing meaning and ensuing negative associations are very hurtful to the people feminism should be helping.

I understand your take on it, The Walrus.

I understand the massive amount of research you did on this particular subject.

But I’m still inclined to believe there are geological forces at work, as well as CO2 emissions, and other man-made causes. The process seems to have been accelerated by the man-made agents.

That raises another point. If believing that women should have equal rights and opportunities to men makes you a feminist, then believing that men should have equal rights and opportunities to women makes you a men's rights advocate, or MRA. Most feminists I've seen dislike, and often strongly dislike, MRAs, and vice versa. So by TwilightPrincess' standards, feminists who don't also identify as MRAs are bigoted or ignorant.

We ALL should have equal rights. It shouldn’t BE a feminist or MGTOW position.

Feminists do and have done very important and necessary things. I’m not sure why this is so offensive to people on here.

There is still not an equal playing field.

I agree. Though I would point out that the opposite of feminist is MRA rather than MGTOW. Feminists and MRAs are looking for political and social change where MGTOWs are generally just looking to avoid women romantically and sexually, not get married or have a partner and that sort of thing. MGTOWs generally don't hold very high opinions of western women or the marriage and family court systems. There's definitely something to be said for the family court system preferencing women to the detriment of men, but I certainly don't align with MGTOWs so far as having a low opinion of women

Family court favours whoever has more money. It's not about gender.

Because women aren't the only gender disadvantaged by inequalities, hence, only focusing on women's issues isn't an appropriate approach. And that's what feminism does.

^^ Or who has the best investigator to dig up dirt

A group does need to have some focus or nothing would ever get done.

There are some very serious issues that continue to need attention, especially domestic violence and sex crimes. Men can be victims of these crimes, too, but women are still much more likely to be victimized.

A feminist group that runs our local abuse shelters welcomes male victims as well.

I just don’t have the energy to discuss this properly.

If we didn’t have feminists, women wouldn’t have the vote or various rights in marriage or the workforce.

Feminists have also worked for civil rights and rights for the LGBTQ community.

It’s about equal rights.

Last edited by TwilightPrincess on 27 May 2019, 6:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Because all sex crime is committed by men?

I didn’t say that, did I?

It’s much more likely to be committed by men, though.

I’m especially interested in how various cults perpetuate misogyny because that’s a big part of my story, and it’s a huge problem in America. My counselor wants me to get involved with some advocacy (perhaps eventually exit counseling), but it’s not really possible for me right now.

What would have to happen to make you consider the playing field even?

People need to have some sort of center of focus if they want to bring about change.