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The_Face_of_Boo
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05 Jun 2019, 7:51 am

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Used to happen in England hundreds of tears ago... Henry VIII was pretty good at topping people who didn't measure up (including wives who didn't produce male heirs).

My view is that it's a result of absolute and unchallenged power vested in one individual. Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Vlad the Impaler, Caligula, Saddam Hussein... and a long list of others. I haven't mentioned the Austrian guy... Adolf somebody or other because I don't want to be accused of Godwinism.

It would make an interesting area of study how they end up like that. Henry VIII started out as a shining renaissance prince. It's possible that constant pain from a jousting wound made him a little bit... grouchy. He even claimed that some of the things he did were forced on him by external pressures and circumstances... like the execution of Thomas Cromwell.

Kim, on the other hand was born into it... maybe inured to it at an early age... who knows?



King Henry VIII was so insane for power to the point he changed the Kingdom’s religion and founded a national church, and appointed himself as its head.

Shah Islamil I did the same by converting his entire empire from Sunni to Shiism in order to isolate it from the Ottoman influence.



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05 Jun 2019, 8:18 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Trueno wrote:
Used to happen in England hundreds of tears ago... Henry VIII was pretty good at topping people who didn't measure up (including wives who didn't produce male heirs).

My view is that it's a result of absolute and unchallenged power vested in one individual. Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Vlad the Impaler, Caligula, Saddam Hussein... and a long list of others. I haven't mentioned the Austrian guy... Adolf somebody or other because I don't want to be accused of Godwinism.

It would make an interesting area of study how they end up like that. Henry VIII started out as a shining renaissance prince. It's possible that constant pain from a jousting wound made him a little bit... grouchy. He even claimed that some of the things he did were forced on him by external pressures and circumstances... like the execution of Thomas Cromwell.

Kim, on the other hand was born into it... maybe inured to it at an early age... who knows?



King Henry VIII was so insane for power to the point he changed the Kingdom’s religion and founded a national church, and appointed himself as its head.

Shah Islamil I did the same by converting his entire empire from Sunni to Shiism in order to isolate it from the Ottoman influence.


What interests me, though, is that Henry VIII didn't wake up one morning and decide to do all this. It happens in small steps over years and one thing leads to another. But at some point he had turned into a monster.
One of Henry's bitterest enemies was Cardinal Reginald Pole. Henry couldn't get at Pole... he was in Rome... so he had Pole's mother executed. She was a little old lady. Vindictive or what?


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06 Jun 2019, 10:37 am

Henry VIII had a Renaissance education; and he was a Renaissance Man when he was younger. I believe he even corresponded with Erasmus.

I get the feeling that the decline in his health contributed to him becoming a monster later in life.



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06 Jun 2019, 10:49 am

... and the Pope gave him the title Fideii Defensor (Defender of the Faith... I may not have spelt that right, but it's close). A bit ironic really... even after the Reformation British monarchs kept the title, it's still on British coins today... Fid Def.


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06 Jun 2019, 12:17 pm

Yep. He was a "Defender of the Faith" because he wrote a defense of marriage and of Papal supremacy; teeming with irony? Yes!

He was considered an "up and coming" sort of man along with the French king at that time, Francis (I forgot his roman numeral). They used to hold extravagant jousts in tribute to each other.