Trump accused of rape by prominent advice columnist

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22 Jun 2019, 5:20 am

The statute of limitations varies from state to state. In New York state it appears to be 5 years.

Here's a PDF of Statutes of Limitations for Sexual Assault A State-by-State Comparison:
https://victimsofcrime.org/docs/DNA%20R ... --copy.pdf



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22 Jun 2019, 6:07 am

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So what I am saying is I think Trump was bragging about how getting to 2nd base is easy when you're a rich celebrity. Just as many other rich and famous men have bragged about their "scoring" with women. Even common men brag about that.


Well at least JFK, MLK and Bill Clinton kept that stuff to themselves



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22 Jun 2019, 6:10 am

those 3 were higher class sociopaths than the sociopath who is presently white house occupant.



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22 Jun 2019, 7:13 am

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EzraS wrote:
So what I am saying is I think Trump was bragging about how getting to 2nd base is easy when you're a rich celebrity. Just as many other rich and famous men have bragged about their "scoring" with women. Even common men brag about that.


Well at least JFK, MLK and Bill Clinton kept that stuff to themselves


I doubt that. They just weren't recorded privately talking to someone about it. And obviously they didn't manage to keep it a secret.

The transcript goes:

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Trump: Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.

Bush: Whatever you want.

Trump: Grab ’em by the p****. You can do anything.

Bush: Uh, yeah, those legs, all I can see is the legs.


So the question is was Billy Bush also talking about harassing and assaulting women or the ability to score?

To me it sounds like the latter. People sure do get pissed of when I come up with this analysis. But sorry I can't help but view things objectively.



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22 Jun 2019, 9:41 am

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And obviously they didn't manage to keep it a secret.

In JFK’s and MLK’s era what men did when they were not at work was considered their own business or private matters. Even when I started out in the work world bosses did not generally care about what you did when you were not at work unless it affected how you performed at work or if you got caught. In that pre cameras everywhere era you had to be very reckless to get caught. Also a lot of what is considered sexual harassment today was considered “boys being boys” at that time as shown by the TV show “Mad Men”. The reporters knew about JFK’s dalliances and affairs but did not report it. Reporters often were not angels either, they were known for their hard drinking ways.

The FBI did have stuff on MLK which was used by J. Edger Hoover to try and discredit and blackmail him. But again this was done in private.

But the time Clinton was in office mores had changed. Public rape and sexual assault allegations were made against Clinton by Paula Jones an Juanita Broderick. Republicans and conservative talk radio harped on it but the Democrats, mainstream media and general public even then put work above “private life”. Clinton got caught with Monica Lewinsky because he was reckless. Even then with the attempt to remove him from office cost Republicans in the mid term elections as Nancy Pelosi well remembers why is why she is so reluctant to unleash impeachment.

The stuff about JFK and MLK became public after they were dead when times had changed.


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22 Jun 2019, 4:21 pm

...My father was a njournaliist when JFK was preesident. He said thaat people in the business knew of the rumots of JFK's f*****g around but back then mediaa would NEVER EVER talk about such things.
The woman who accused Bill Clinton of raping her had signed an affadavit saying thaat he hadn't before ~ Perhaps she was pressured ~ but that made it awkward.


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22 Jun 2019, 4:35 pm

...Recently, accusations that MLK watched and did not stop a rape by someone he worked with have been made.
These accusations have apparently been played down by thhe " respectable " media ~ Obviously, it would be extremely dangerous to print such accusations against secular saaint MLK ~ And, it should be said that, considering what the FBI is known to hav tried to do tto the civil rights movement, that one would have to apply doubt to anything said by the FBI rregarding that!


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22 Jun 2019, 5:54 pm

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...My father was a njournaliist when JFK was preesident. He said thaat people in the business knew of the rumots of JFK's f*****g around but back then mediaa would NEVER EVER talk about such things.
The woman who accused Bill Clinton of raping her had signed an affadavit saying thaat he hadn't before ~ Perhaps she was pressured ~ but that made it awkward.


Sample text for One scandalous story : Clinton, Lewinsky, and thirteen days that tarnished American journalism / Marvin Kalb.
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IT IS NOW ACCEPTED HISTORY THAT KENNEDY JUMPED CASUALLY FROM BED TO BED WITH A WIDE VARIETY OF WOMEN. IT WAS NOT ACCEPTED HISTORY THEN -- DURING THE FIVE YEARS THAT I KNEW HIM.
-- Ben Bradlee, A Good Life

Late September in New York is a traffic and protocol nightmare. From all over the world, presidents and prime ministers, accompanied by foreign ministers and their many minions, arrive for the annual meeting of the United Nations General Assembly. Their limousines crisscross mid-Manhattan, adding to the usual, suffocating traffic. Aided by the FBI, the police provide the necessary protection. They are everywhere, standing in front of UN missions or sitting on horseback or in patrol cars looking at the passing parade for anyone or anything even slightly suspicious. Often, in triangular squadrons of motorcycles, they escort the VIPs from one corner of central Manhattan to another. It's an urban symphony of horns, sirens, and shrieking tires that, no matter the time of day, never seems to lose its urgency. The worst bottleneck, of course, is always near the United Nations, where cabs join the battle for every inch of maneuverable space. It's really quite a sight.

On September 20, 1963, two months before he was assassinated in Dallas, Texas, President John F. Kennedy decided that he would not stay at the Waldorf-Astoria, temporary home for so many of the other world leaders. For reasons of his own, he fancied the more fashionable Carlyle Hotel, farther north, which conveyed the comforting impression that it was situated on another planet, light-years removed from the midtown mess. During the president's visit, the usually elegant main entrance on East 76th Street was -- for reasons of security -- flanked by wooden barricades, holding back television crews, reporters, onlookers eager for a glimpse of Kennedy. Around the corner on Madison Avenue, an unobtrusive side entrance was generally ignored.

For easy and quick identification, reporters who covered the president wore White House press badges. They were able to enter the Carlyle without much trouble. Some of us, with the help of the White House travel office, even managed to get lodging there. After filing our stories, a number of us in those years would usually gather late in the evening for some journalistic braggadocio -- who got the better picture of the president? who got the better scoop? who wrote the best lead? -- and a drink or two at the hotel bar off Madison Avenue.

After the president finished addressing the Eighteenth General Assembly, the principal purpose of his visit to New York, he returned to the Carlyle for a round of bilateral talks, a formal dinner, and, much later in the evening, a clandestine rendezvous with an unscheduled visitor. I, in the meantime, had returned to the headquarters of CBS News, which was then located on Madison Avenue at 52nd Street. Not too many months before, I had finished an absorbing, if somewhat exhausting, three-year assignment in Moscow, and -- as a reward of sorts -- I had been transferred to Washington and named diplomatic correspondent, the first ever appointed by a network. My assignment on this occasion was not so much Kennedy as his diplomacy, which focused on mending relations with the Soviet Union after the terrifying missile crisis in Cuba the year before. What I reported that evening in a couple of radio and television spots about Berlin and arms control has vanished, and deservedly so, into some distant archive; but what I remember about my brief encounter with the president's late night visitor underscores how dramatically American journalism has changed in the last thirty to forty years, particularly in its coverage of the private lives of public officials.

After dinner with a few CBS colleagues at a favorite restaurant, I jumped into a taxi for the ride up Madison Avenue to the Carlyle. I remember the ride and the time -- just past 11 p.m. -- because the driver was then listening to an hourly newscast featuring one of the spots I had taped earlier in the day at the United Nations. I got out at the side entrance and walked into the hotel. To my left was the bar, my ultimate destination, and diagonally to my right were two doors leading to the main lobby. Though I didn't see it on a recent visit to the Carlyle, I recall that there was also a private elevator just to the right of the entryway. Immediately, as I entered, I felt as if I had barged into a private party -- the wrong person arriving at the wrong time.

I recognized two of the Secret Servicemen usually detailed to protect the president, one standing right in front of me and the other to my right. They knew me, and I knew them. We had been on a number of the same trips, and I had seen them around the White House. I smiled at one of them, but he not only did not return the smile -- his face froze into a mask of sudden panic. He looked past me at someone who was just then being escorted into the small lobby. As I turned to see who had caught his eye, he pushed me and I fell hard against the door to the bar, ending up in a painful crouch on the floor. I looked up just long enough to see the back of a woman with stunningly attractive legs entering the elevator. I heard the clicking of her heels. I saw two other men from the president's Secret Service detail with her, one in front, the other behind, as the doors slowly closed. I looked up for an explanation, but the agent who had knocked me to the floor had by this time vanished. So too had his colleague. The entire episode took no more than ten seconds.

I joined a few reporters at the bar. I must have been more than just a bit shaken, but I didn't tell them anything. After a few minutes of stories about scoops and counterscoops, I looked back at the door and saw the agent beckoning to me. I excused myself and went back into the lobby. "I'm sorry," the agent whispered. "I'm really sorry." The agent, barely audible, said that he should never have pushed me, that he had made a terrible mistake, and he hoped that I would forgive him. "Of course," I muttered, "but, my God, what happened? Why did you push me? Who was that woman?" The agent did not answer. He looked up at the ceiling, as if appealing to higher, perhaps presidential, authority, and shook his head. He seemed totally flustered and embarrassed. Again, he said only, "I'm sorry," and left.

In my room a while later, still hurting from the fall, I thought about complaining to Pierre Salinger, the president's spokesman. The Secret Service's job, after all, was to protect the president, not to push or bully a reporter. I decided to do nothing. I thought it would be better for me and CBS News to store this grievance in a future file -- one day, that agent might be able to help me with a story. He owed me.

As I write about this incident more than thirty-seven years later, I am amazed not by my decision to do nothing but by the fact, quite undeniable, that never for one moment did I even consider pursuing and reporting what I had seen and experienced that evening: that U.S. Secret Service agents, normally detailed to protect the president, had escorted an attractive woman into the Carlyle, presumably for a rendezvous with Kennedy (who else but the president would concern them?), and then, to protect their embarrassing secret, one of the agents had for a moment panicked and pushed a reporter to the floor only to apologize later for his inexcusable behavior.

It was my judgment at the time that such an incident was simply not "news." Although there has never been one commonly accepted definition of news, it has usually been defined broadly as what's new, what's relevant, what's interesting, what's timely, and what sells. In those days, the possibility of a presidential affair, while titillating, was not considered "news" by the mainstream press -- not when the Cuban missile crisis was still a fresh and frightening memory of the nuclear dangers of the Cold War, not when racial tensions were again clawing at the soul of the nation. Though tabloids existed, those were not tabloid times; 1963 was not a year for stories about Kennedy's sex life, even if rumors persisted that he was engaging in "extracurricular screwing," as Ben Bradlee, the former editor of The Washington Post, spoke of it in his memoirs.

Many years later, my friend R. W. Apple, Jr., recalled a similar experience at the Carlyle Hotel in 1963. He was then a young reporter at The New York Times, and he was assigned to do "legwork" on a Kennedy visit to New York -- meaning in this case that he went to the Carlyle to see what, if anything, was happening, and then to report back to his editor. A "legman" didn't write the story, he just observed and reported it. His information was then included in someone else's story or simply dropped. On this particular evening, Apple saw a "beautiful woman being escorted to Kennedy's suite." Excited by the implication, he returned to the Times office on West 43rd Street and told Sheldon Binn, the chief assignment editor of the Metro desk. Binn listened impatiently. "Apple," he said, "you're supposed to report on political and diplomatic policies, not girlfriends. No story." And so it was.

But even if I had decided to defy the conventional news standards of the day and tried to report that the president had a secret rendezvous at the Carlyle Hotel with a beautiful woman who was not his wife, what exactly would I have broadcast? Did I know for an absolute fact that the agents had escorted the woman to his suite? No. But I'd have bet the kitchen sink that they had. Did I see her face? Did I know her name? No. Was there, possibly, an innocent explanation? Could she have been just a friend, a relative? No. Friends and relatives were not secretly hustled into a back elevator late at night; they would have entered the main lobby at a proper time. Anything was theoretically possible, but at the time, given what I had seen and heard, I knew in my gut that the president was having an illicit affair and the Secret Service was complicit in arranging it and hushing it up.

Let's take the scenario one step further and assume for a moment that I actually had written and submitted the story to my CBS editors. Was there any chance that they would have cleared it for broadcast? I am certain that the answer would have been no. They would almost certainly have questioned my professional judgment. "What's happened to Kalb? He used to be a good reporter."

In other words, the story was not written, and it would not have been approved for broadcast, because it did not satisfy the accepted journalistic standards of the day.



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..Recently, accusations that MLK watched and did not stop a rape by someone he worked with have been made.
These accusations have apparently been played down by thhe " respectable " media ~ Obviously, it would be extremely dangerous to print such accusations against secular saaint MLK ~ And, it should be said that, considering what the FBI is known to hav tried to do tto the civil rights movement, that one would have to apply doubt to anything said by the FBI rregarding that!


Martin Luther King 'looked on and laughed' while friend raped woman, unsealed FBI documents claim

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Unsealed FBI documents have claimed that civil rights activist Martin Luther King ‘looked on and laughed’ while a friend raped a woman.

According to the Sunday Times the unsealed documents, unearthed by biographer David Garrow, make a number of allegations about the civil rights leader.

The FBI reports reveal the extent of government surveillance on Dr King, with one incident allegedly caught on tape by a recording device hidden in a hotel room in Washington DC.

The documents reportedly allege that Baptist pastor Logan Kearse invited several women back to his room with Dr King, where the pair were recorded discussing sex acts with the women.

One claims: “When one of the women protested that she did not approve, [Mr Kearse] immediately and forcibly raped her”, adding that Dr King “looked on, laughed and offered advice” during the incident.

According to the Sunday Times, Dr King was allegedly monitored engaging in sex acts with around 40 women and on one occasion claim he coerced a woman into a sex act by claiming it “helps your soul” as well as suggesting he may have secretly fathered a daughter outside his marriage to wife Coretta.

FBI officials apparently tried to use the information to threaten him, sending him an anonymous letter.

Hours of surveillance tapes still exist, Mr Garrow has reportedly claimed, but remain sealed in the US National Archives until 2027.


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23 Jun 2019, 1:58 pm

EzraS wrote:
The statute of limitations varies from state to state. In New York state it appears to be 5 years.

Here's a PDF of Statutes of Limitations for Sexual Assault A State-by-State Comparison:
https://victimsofcrime.org/docs/DNA%20R ... --copy.pdf



Was looking through this some odd laws states have going on.

Apparently Nevada thinks only girls are victims of child sex abuse. Either that or boys has an unlimited amount of time to bring the case forward.

Washington state has a statute of limitations of 10 years, but only if its reported to law enforcement in the first year.


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