Is America becoming a fascist country?

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ocasio ... ed-fascism

Ocasio Cortez seems to think so.

I doubt it.

I don't think Trump will be re-elected, and the next president will be a Democrat, unless Bill Weld pulls an upset.

See the problem as I see it, is that Democrats really aren't that great either. They pay people a lot of lip service and are prone to the same corruption that Republican leaders are


Even if Trump loses the next election and we get a Democrat in office won't fix our country's problems. I believe without a doubt that things are just going to get worse for us in the next decade.

I see more of a threat of fascism from the left. In what seems to be a desire for a democratic government to be in complete control of society, in a 1984 / Brave New World / Fahrenheit 451 sort of way.

From what I gather OAC's ideals fall in line with that type of system.

It seems a pretty good deception to go on and on about how the other side are the fascists and how what amounts to fascism is being used to combat fascism.

Last edited by EzraS on 03 Jul 2019, 8:27 am, edited 1 time in total.

Of course you do.

And you don't with the driving force to ban this that and the other?

Hyperbole....Hyperbole....Hyperbole....

We're not nearly a fascist country yet....but if we allow people like Trump free rein---who knows?

I think so ... a Fascist country with an narcissistic, authoritarian leader who is out of touch with reality.

Not to mention a government with a high tolerance of corruption.

Obama is not my hero----but he seems like FDR and Harry Truman rolled up into run in comparison to Trump.

I agree Obama was nowhere as bad (dare I say evil?) as Bush or Trump, but I still dislike him for two reasons:

1# He made a lot of promises that he failed to keep.

2# He refused to punish the Bush Administration for the war crimes commited in Iraq.


To me Obama proved that Democrats are quick to judge a candidate for outside appearances rather than actual merit as a politician. They wanted him in office because they thought having a first black president would solve all our problems, just like I'm sure the ones who supported Hillary felt the same way about possibly having a first female president and it later turned out that she would have been a poor choice too.

I'm embaressed to admit that I used to feel the same exact away.

It's like that episode of Will & Grace when Will wanted to support a gay politician and Grace wanted to support a female Jewish politician, not bothering to find out what either candidate really stood for. The gay politician was all about kicking the homeless to the curve and punishing women, foreigners, and the poor, while the Jewish woman opened her speech with racism exclaiming "It's gratifying to see so many white faces here tonight!"

I don't think it should matter what race or gender a politician is anymore and I would vote for another rich old white guy as long as he can actually fix our country's problems.

Saw someone put this up on twitter today which left me a bit bewildered

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/1145881091271745538

"To anyone who said it can't happen here:

CONCENTRATION CAMPS
MILITARY PARADES
STATE PROPAGANDA NETWORK
WOMEN'S HEALTH CRIMINALIZED
RULE OF LAW SUSPENDED
COURTS STACKED WITH EXTREMISTS
NEPOTISM ON THE INTERNATIONAL STAGE
MEDIA ATTACKED AS "ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE
RELENTLESS ASSAULT ON TRUTH AND REALITY
STOCHASTIC TERRORISM AGAINST MARGINALIZED GROUPS
POLICE BRUTALITY WITH NO CONSEQUENCES
RAGING RALLIES WITH LOYAL SUPPORTERS
CHANTS TO IMPRISON POLITICAL OPPONENTS
SYSTEMATIC VOTER SUPPRESSION
The list goes on..."

At least for now we are a borderline fascist country with the right to complain about it.

Hyperbole....Hyperbole....Catastrophization……

Yes....we still have to watch that it doesn't become those "worst case scenarios."

That is a Fox news link. I am in the UK so can't see Fox News but I thought they were widely accepted as one of the main sources of 'fake news' in America?

Fascism (n): A ruling system that exhibits the following features:

The Leader
• An authoritarian dictator
• Always right / Never Wrong
• Charismatic or otherwise
• Often worshipped (if not deified)

The Ideology
• Elimination of civil rights (i.e. free assembly, free inquiry, free press, free religion, free speech, trial by jury, presumption of innocence, personal privacy, redress of wrongs, et cetera)
• Emphasises nationalism and sacrificial service to the State
• Guides and justifies the actions of the Dictator, the Party, The Plan, and the State
• May be based on religious doctrine
• Socialist / Leftist: The State owns everything, and provides everything to the masses

The Party
• Imposes harsh penalties for all legal infractions
• Members have more privileges than do ordinary citizens
• Monitors and controls every aspect of citizen’s lives
• More concerned with conformity than with innovation
• More concerned with enforcing Ideology than with progress
• More concerned with the 'Status Quo' than with new ideas
• Opposition is illegal

The State
• Martial Law is in force
• No civil law; civil infractions result in criminal penalties
• Presumption of criminal guilt arising from accusation, assumption, belief, bigotry, rumor, or suspicion -- evidence is not required
• Regimented breeding, commerce, economy, education, fashion, housing, industry, and scientific research
• Repression (or elimination) of one or more groups, based on ethnicity, gender, ideology, politics, or religion
• Restrictions on communication, information, and travel
• Suppression of criticism, individualism, intellectualism, and all opposition

The Military
• Enforces Party law
• Provides a pool of candidates for Party members and officials
• Replaces civil police force
• Uses abduction, intimidation, torture, and violence to maintain civil order

The Plan
• One Master Plan
• One or more secondary plans that support the Master Plan
• Promises to deliver the State into a glorious future
• Delivers repression and stagnation

Censorship
• Artistic expression is controlled to favor the Dictator, the Ideology, the Party, the Plan, the Military, and the State; all else is banned
• Education covers only basic literacy, numeracy, and Party doctrine; all else is banned
• History is revised as needed to favor the Dictator, the Ideology, the Party, the Plan, the Military, and the State; all else is banned
• Journalism edits the news to favor the Dictator, the Ideology, the Party, the Plan, the Military, and the State; all else is banned
• Literature is written to favor the Dictator, the Ideology, the Party, the Plan, the Military, and the State; all else is banned
• Scientific research is performed to favor the Dictator, the Ideology, the Party, the Plan, the Military, and the State; all else is banned

Citizenry
• Based on ethnicity and/or genetics
• Depends entirely upon the State for its daily living
• Careers are pre-determined by the Party
• Education is pre-determined by the Party
• Individuals may 'disappear' for no obvious reason, and are never heard from again
• Military service is mandatory
• Owned by the State (enslaved)
• Ready and willing to denounce each other as Enemies to the State in return for State-issued rewards