The Trials of Being Autistic at a Autism Research Conference

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11 Jul 2019, 1:13 pm

The relationship between autism researchers and the community they serve is fraught — but it’s getting better.
Sara Luterman is a freelance journalist based outside Washington, D.C. You can find her writing in the Washington Post, the New York Times, Slate, and other outlets.

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THE INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY FOR AUTISM RESEARCH CONFERENCE, or INSAR, is the largest autism research conference in the world. Each year, it attracts thousands of researchers from dozens of different disciplines — neuroscience, genetics, immunology, pediatrics — to share their work with one another. It regularly draws some of the biggest names in the field.

But, historically, the INSAR conference hasn’t exactly rolled out the red carpet for the people whom its research is intended to benefit. I’ve attended multiple INSAR meetings, both because I’m a journalist interested in reporting on the latest research and because I’m an autistic person interested in learning ways to improve my daily life. The experience of being surrounded by thousands of researchers — many of whom had never met anyone like me except as a subject, and some of whom had never met anyone like me at all — was at times surreal. Being autistic at INSAR is like attending an exquisite, days-long feast in which you are the main course.

The tension between the conference’s scientific and autistic communities has occasionally been fodder for sensational media coverage. But increasingly, I’m finding that the media narrative doesn’t match reality. This year, I attended my third INSAR conference, in Montreal, and I couldn’t help but notice the increased presence of autistic attendees, both in the audiences and at the lecterns. At a conference where autistic people have traditionally been greeted at best with confusion and at worst with hostility, I’m cautiously optimistic that we are finally carving out a place for ourselves in the autism research community — not merely as subjects of research but as partners in its pursuit.

TO BE FAIR, the perception of discord between autism researchers and autistic adults is based on more than a few grains of truth. The autism research community has a troubling history of dehumanizing the people it purports to serve. Outgoing INSAR president Dr. Simon Baron-Cohen has long asserted that autistic people experience something called mind-blindness: We are allegedly incapable of genuine empathy, imagination, and self-reflection. He attributes this blindness to a lack of function in mirror neurons, the neurons that help people map the movements and emotions of others onto their own bodies. In 2001 Baron-Cohen wrote, “A theory of mind remains one of the quintessential abilities that makes us human.” He went on to cite a study in which a small sample of autistic children appeared to lack theory of mind. The inescapable implication was that they lacked humanity.

Other researchers have been more direct in their dehumanization of autistic people. Steven Pinker, a giant in linguistics and cognitive science, wrote of autistic people, “together, with robots and chimpanzees, people with autism remind us that cultural learning is possible only because neurologically normal people have innate equipment to accomplish it.”

Ivar Lovaas, the father of applied behavior analysis, one of the most commonly used therapies for autism, said of autistic children, “you have a person in the physical sense — they have hair, a nose and a mouth — but they are not people in the psychological sense.” He applied electric shocks, pinches, and slaps to autistic children in order to, in his view, make us into real human people.

The discord between autism researchers and autistic adults has been painted by some as a debate over neurodiversity. Coined by the Australian sociologist Judy Singer in the early 1990s, neurodiversity has as its central tenet the idea that neurological variation is normal and natural, and that characterizing neurological differences as illness — without considering how autistic people think about ourselves and our lives — is a mistake. The idea has evolved into a civil rights movement by and for autistic people. An offshoot of the disability rights movement, it asserts that people with cognitive differences like autism deserve full human rights and inclusion in normal society.

To some scientists, however, the view of autism as a neurodiversity issue seems to run counter to a fundamental premise of much autism research: that autism is something to be treated or cured.

The tension between those two views lingered over me like a cloud when I attended my first INSAR conference in 2017. It was a lonely affair. I saw a handful of autistic people I knew from social media — some researchers, some fellow writers — but in every session the assumption seemed to be that people like me couldn’t engage in scientific research as anything other than test subjects. I felt invisible.

My life-preserver during that first INSAR experience was a woman named Carol Greenberg. Carol is a short, no-nonsense Jewish mother from Brooklyn who wears her hair in a sharp gray bob. She used to edit Star Trek novels, but these days she focuses on local political activism and serves as an editor for the site, Thinking Person’s Guide to Autism, which is, in my opinion, one of the best resources available for parents of autistic children. Carol’s son is autistic and has an intellectual disability, and Carol herself is on the spectrum.

Carol had been attending INSAR conferences since 2012 — before I’d received my autism diagnosis and before I had even considered the possibility that I might be autistic. She, too, described feeling lonely at her first conference: “I felt like there were maybe one or two other autistics there. And so we’d go to presentation after presentation after presentation, and each one was worse than the one before… All scientists talking about us without us.”

But for Carol, even the 2017 conference was an improvement. “It’s much better than it used to be,” she told me, delighting in how much of the content focused on mental health and other topics of everyday relevance to our lives.

At the 2018 INSAR conference in the Netherlands, I still couldn’t escape the feeling of being an outsider — and, in that regard, I wasn’t alone. Though the organizers had been working to make it easier for members of the autism community to attend, the registration cost was still out of reach for many people. I noted several accessibility problems and a lack of commitment to inclusion, and my request that the conference hire an accessibility coordinator or consultant went unmet.

The issues of accessibility and inclusion took center stage in the run up to the 2019 INSAR conference, held earlier this year in Montreal. There was even an article in Spectrum, an autism research news magazine funded by the Simons Foundation, that played up the discord between scientists and autistic attendees who had been pressing for firmer commitments to inclusion. “Tensions ride high,” the headline proclaimed.

But as one of the conference’s estimated 2,500 attendees, I found that the Spectrum article didn’t reflect my experience at all. I spoke with dozens of researchers across dozens of disciplines at the Montreal conference, and while I felt that some people were a little uncomfortable engaging with me, I didn’t feel antipathy. I felt like I belonged.

To INSAR’s credit, organizers seemed to have taken seriously the call for inclusion, offering more sessions on social sciences, reduced rates for autistic attendees and their family members, and a sensory break room where autistic attendees and others could escape the bustle of the conference.

But I also picked up on something I hadn’t noticed before: Autistic attendees were milling about everywhere at the conference, even if most people didn’t recognize them.

“[We] don’t mention it on our posters. There’s not ‘Hi, I’m autistic!’ written on it,” said Elliot Keenan, a doctoral student in psychology who was presenting his research. Keenan was among about a half dozen young autistic researchers I met at INSAR this year, investigating everything from psychiatric comorbidity to mouse behavior.

According to John Elder Robison, a notable author and the only openly autistic board member of INSAR, 3 to 5 percent of this year’s INSAR attendees identified as being on the autism spectrum. There are likely even more autistic researchers who chose not to disclose. (One autistic researcher confided to me that he feels pressure to separate his identity from his science.)

A motto frequently used in the neurodiversity community is, “Nothing about us without us.” At the world’s largest autism research conference, that message may finally be getting through.


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11 Jul 2019, 2:11 pm

good post,a very enjoyable article to read.one of the better post in the this forum in a long time


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11 Jul 2019, 3:10 pm

This is what I like to read!

Here's hoping for more in this vein going forward.



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11 Jul 2019, 4:16 pm

I like that these research conferences are slowly becoming more inclusive. I still wouldn’t go to one though.


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11 Jul 2019, 5:54 pm

Thanks for the article AS...

There's a Huntington's organisation that I notice has a similar "fraught" relationship here in Melbourne where the researchers organise movie nights and dinners where the proceeds go toward paying their salaries.

I find it slightly distasteful when I see autism conferences that are clearly designed for the researchers to network with each other and never really intended to cater to parents of autistic kids or autistic adults.

I have posted that I attended a seminar on autism treatment therapies in Melbourne where the bulk of the attendees were academics. There was no scope for questions or interaction with autistic people or their parents. These academics prefer not to interact with us and keep us at arm's length. Their focus is on their research and like minded NT clinicians and researchers.

I also noticed that the professors are clearly doing well driving sports cars and wearing Armani suites and no doubt live high class lives at the expense of us poor suckers. I have spoken in the past to some of these "characters" and their research isn't exactly earth shattering or has any value to those of us in the autism community. Most parents are still using Lovaas's 1970s ABA research...nothing much has happened since then other millions of dollars being sucked into the researcher's pension funds.

I suppose we let them continue their research, occasionally attend their seminars and conferences to see what's going on.



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I suppose we let them continue their research, occasionally attend their seminars and conferences to see what's going on.

I think we should continue to pressure them to be more inclusive of both autistic adults and parents.

In order to be able to do that, though, both autistic adults and parents need better-organized communities.


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11 Jul 2019, 10:47 pm

Well, how would you feel if you were at a conference for wildlife biologists and some tigers and elephants showed up and demanded inclusion? /sarcasm


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12 Jul 2019, 1:37 am

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Well, how would you feel if you were at a conference for wildlife biologists and some tigers and elephants showed up and demanded inclusion? /sarcasm

Simple...science exhibits showing up...

If you watch the Claire Danes biopic on Temple Grandin, She (Grandin) makes an appearance at an autism conference where the parents are in shock that a "low functioning" child with autism could speak articulately. Grandin suddenly became the centre of attention at the conference.



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12 Jul 2019, 1:44 am

Mona Pereth wrote:
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I suppose we let them continue their research, occasionally attend their seminars and conferences to see what's going on.

I think we should continue to pressure them to be more inclusive of both autistic adults and parents.

In order to be able to do that, though, both autistic adults and parents need better-organized communities.


My limited experience with autism conferences is they bring together researchers and clinicians to discuss research. Almost all this research is "work in progress" and the researchers are visibly annoyed at having to explain their research in non-technical language to parents who are really looking for short term solutions for their children.

For example there's promising preliminary trails on the use of LSD, marijuana and anticonvulsant drugs in normalising social behavior in low functioning children. But the parents won't get access to these medications because the clinical trials will take another 10 years by which time their children will be adults.

Another annoying experience is autism education conferences which are basically different variations of the same ABA that Lovaas used on autistic kids in 1970.



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12 Jul 2019, 10:20 pm

This was a great post. I work at a university medical center in a genetics clinic. I have ASD and ADHD and I have felt very uncomfortable when I'm in clinic with patients who have children with ASD and the way they talk about it. Working in a medical environment has made me feel ambivalent, like an imposter, and sometimes as though I am betraying other people who are not neurotypical because I have never disclosed that I have ASD. I still feel like it is stigmatized in a way other conditions aren't. I regularly tell people I have ADHD, but I can't seem to bring myself to tell them I have Autism.

My ultimate goal is to go into research. I want to further my academic career but I also want to establish some sort of practical supports and advocacy for people with Autism. I'd love to become a physician that specializes in primary care for adults with ASD. I want to do more research on topics that include adults with ASD, especially women. There isn't enough of it. As an adult with Autism I feel like society forgets we exist, or feels like we don't exist yet since most of the research as in early childhood. Where is the life preserver once we turn 18? We're left to flounder and many of us drown.

More of us will slowly integrate into academia. However, it won't be easy. Academia is a social, political environment. But I'm willing to push forward because that's just how it has to go sometimes. I'm passionate and we need people like me, and I know that.

Anyway, thanks for coming to my Ted Talk, lol.


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I work at a university medical center in a genetics clinic. I have ASD and ADHD and I have felt very uncomfortable when I'm in clinic with patients who have children with ASD and the way they talk about it. Working in a medical environment has made me feel ambivalent, like an imposter, and sometimes as though I am betraying other people who are not neurotypical because I have never disclosed that I have ASD. I still feel like it is stigmatized in a way other conditions aren't. I regularly tell people I have ADHD, but I can't seem to bring myself to tell them I have Autism.

How long ago were you diagnosed with ASD, and how long before that did you suspect/know it? Perhaps you're just not ready to talk about it yet?

Anyhow, I've noticed that a lot of the people at the ASD support groups I've been attending also work in health-related jobs. In my opinion, we need someone to create a networking organization for autistic people who work in health-related fields.

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My ultimate goal is to go into research. I want to further my academic career but I also want to establish some sort of practical supports and advocacy for people with Autism. I'd love to become a physician that specializes in primary care for adults with ASD.

That would be great! We need more ASD-aware doctors!

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I want to do more research on topics that include adults with ASD, especially women. There isn't enough of it. As an adult with Autism I feel like society forgets we exist, or feels like we don't exist yet since most of the research as in early childhood. Where is the life preserver once we turn 18? We're left to flounder and many of us drown.

The kids are cuter.

IMO we, as a community need to build our own life preservers for ourselves and each other. We need the autistic community to become (with some help from sympathetic NT family members of some of us) much bigger and better organized that it is now. We need, among other things, the following:

1) Local support / self-help groups
2) Networking organizations for autistic people in various professions
3) Networking organizations of businesses that are owned or co-owned by autistic people, and/or that make a point of employing autistic people.

Only when the autistic community itself gets much bigger and better organized will the research establishment (and the research funding establishment) start paying much more attention to us also. Recall that what got the research establishment to start paying much attention to autistic kids, in the first place, was the organizations of parents of autistic kids. Politically, the only way we'll be taken seriously is to have our own organizations -- not something very many of us are any good at, but hopefully some sympathetic NT family members of some of us will be willing to help out.

So far the autistic community does have a few advocacy organizations like ASAN, but we need a lot more, and we need organizations of more kinds than just advocacy organizations. We need organizations (and informal groups) that provide a combination of advocacy and self-help/mutual-help services.

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More of us will slowly integrate into academia. However, it won't be easy. Academia is a social, political environment. But I'm willing to push forward because that's just how it has to go sometimes. I'm passionate and we need people like me, and I know that.

We also need someone to create a networking organization of autistic academics, of whom there are probably many out there.


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13 Jul 2019, 8:04 pm

martianprincess wrote:
I have ASD and ADHD and I have felt very uncomfortable when I'm in clinic with patients who have children with ASD and the way they talk about it. Working in a medical environment has made me feel ambivalent, like an imposter, and sometimes as though I am betraying other people who are not neurotypical because I have never disclosed that I have ASD. I still feel like it is stigmatized in a way other conditions aren't. I regularly tell people I have ADHD, but I can't seem to bring myself to tell them I have Autism.


Sounds like you are having a bout of "imposter syndrome" :lol:

It's actually not necessary to self-disclose your own medical or psychiatric condition to patients in the clinic you are working in. The NT parents (and I am one) want authentic caring healthcare staff who are sincerely interested in the welfare of their kids. I frankly couldn't care if the staff have ASD or not so long as they are providing the best support/therapy for my child.

My own past experience hasn't been great with NT healthcare staff so like Mona I strongly encourage you to pursue your career aspirations but do it for the correct/appropriate reasons.



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I have ASD and ADHD and I have felt very uncomfortable when I'm in clinic with patients who have children with ASD and the way they talk about it. Working in a medical environment has made me feel ambivalent, like an imposter, and sometimes as though I am betraying other people who are not neurotypical because I have never disclosed that I have ASD. I still feel like it is stigmatized in a way other conditions aren't. I regularly tell people I have ADHD, but I can't seem to bring myself to tell them I have Autism.


Sounds like you are having a bout of "imposter syndrome" :lol:

It's actually not necessary to self-disclose your own medical or psychiatric condition to patients in the clinic you are working in. The NT parents (and I am one) want authentic caring healthcare staff who are sincerely interested in the welfare of their kids. I frankly couldn't care if the staff have ASD or not so long as they are providing the best support/therapy for my child.

My own past experience hasn't been great with NT healthcare staff so like Mona I strongly encourage you to pursue your career aspirations but do it for the correct/appropriate reasons.


That’s true, I wouldn’t want to tell parents “hi how are you, I’m going to be your clinician today, and oh by the way here is something super personal about me!” Haha. I meant more in the context of work. My co-workers don’t know about it but sometimes I feel like they should. I hear about impairment a lot when doctors describe Autism but there’s not a lot of normalizing or positive things said about it. I mean, being autistic is frustrating as f**k sometimes but I love that I notice so many interesting patterns in the way buildings are arranged or how the helicopter blades are spinning and it’s those little things I appreciate about it that NT clinicians just don’t “get.”


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martianprincess wrote:
I work at a university medical center in a genetics clinic. I have ASD and ADHD and I have felt very uncomfortable when I'm in clinic with patients who have children with ASD and the way they talk about it. Working in a medical environment has made me feel ambivalent, like an imposter, and sometimes as though I am betraying other people who are not neurotypical because I have never disclosed that I have ASD. I still feel like it is stigmatized in a way other conditions aren't. I regularly tell people I have ADHD, but I can't seem to bring myself to tell them I have Autism.

How long ago were you diagnosed with ASD, and how long before that did you suspect/know it? Perhaps you're just not ready to talk about it yet?

Anyhow, I've noticed that a lot of the people at the ASD support groups I've been attending also work in health-related jobs. In my opinion, we need someone to create a networking organization for autistic people who work in health-related fields.

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My ultimate goal is to go into research. I want to further my academic career but I also want to establish some sort of practical supports and advocacy for people with Autism. I'd love to become a physician that specializes in primary care for adults with ASD.

That would be great! We need more ASD-aware doctors!

martianprincess wrote:
I want to do more research on topics that include adults with ASD, especially women. There isn't enough of it. As an adult with Autism I feel like society forgets we exist, or feels like we don't exist yet since most of the research as in early childhood. Where is the life preserver once we turn 18? We're left to flounder and many of us drown.

The kids are cuter.

IMO we, as a community need to build our own life preservers for ourselves and each other. We need the autistic community to become (with some help from sympathetic NT family members of some of us) much bigger and better organized that it is now. We need, among other things, the following:

1) Local support / self-help groups
2) Networking organizations for autistic people in various professions
3) Networking organizations of businesses that are owned or co-owned by autistic people, and/or that make a point of employing autistic people.

Only when the autistic community itself gets much bigger and better organized will the research establishment (and the research funding establishment) start paying much more attention to us also. Recall that what got the research establishment to start paying much attention to autistic kids, in the first place, was the organizations of parents of autistic kids. Politically, the only way we'll be taken seriously is to have our own organizations -- not something very many of us are any good at, but hopefully some sympathetic NT family members of some of us will be willing to help out.

So far the autistic community does have a few advocacy organizations like ASAN, but we need a lot more, and we need organizations of more kinds than just advocacy organizations. We need organizations (and informal groups) that provide a combination of advocacy and self-help/mutual-help services.

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More of us will slowly integrate into academia. However, it won't be easy. Academia is a social, political environment. But I'm willing to push forward because that's just how it has to go sometimes. I'm passionate and we need people like me, and I know that.

We also need someone to create a networking organization of autistic academics, of whom there are probably many out there.


Absolutely, I agree 100%! This is something I’ve been thinking an awful lot about lately. I keep trying to figure out how to start a group or something but I feel overwhelmed and under qualified. One of the most valuable things I’ve learned about this sort of thing is networking and mentorship are key. I have that down at work, I just need to figure out how to do that outside of work. I feel like I can’t even begin to piece together the first step or anyone to contact. I don’t know any other people with autism in my area but I live in a metro city area so you’d think I could figure out how to navigate that. It’s tough. I have a lot of good ideas but it’s hard to actually make it happen.


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but I love that I notice so many interesting patterns in the way buildings are arranged or how the helicopter blades are spinning and it’s those little things I appreciate about it that NT clinicians just don’t “get.”


I would use this experience to develop stronger empathic links to the kids you may work with. Yes there are biases that NT healthcare workers carry that are also carried by the general population (social stigma) so I agree there are benefits in having somebody who can understand what their child is doing but don't forget the ethical code of conduct in the medical profession requires you keep your relationship with your client professional and objective.

Objectiveness is important in that you focus on what would work best in terms of outcomes for your client.

In my experience the doctors and psychologists I have experienced haven't actually addressed my daughter's issues but choose to take a cookie cutter approach because they don't want to invest the time/effort needed to understand their client's individual needs beyond the 1hr consultation time. This is what I mean't by lack of authenticity, as a parent it's a glaring problem they seem to be more worried about money.



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Absolutely, I agree 100%! This is something I’ve been thinking an awful lot about lately. I keep trying to figure out how to start a group or something but I feel overwhelmed and under qualified. One of the most valuable things I’ve learned about this sort of thing is networking and mentorship are key. I have that down at work, I just need to figure out how to do that outside of work. I feel like I can’t even begin to piece together the first step or anyone to contact. I don’t know any other people with autism in my area but I live in a metro city area so you’d think I could figure out how to navigate that. It’s tough. I have a lot of good ideas but it’s hard to actually make it happen.

Have you contacted Autism Society - The Heartland? Some possibly helpful pages on their website:

- State and Local Resources - includes some self-advocacy groups at the bottom of the page, including a local chapter of ASAN.
- Support Groups and Social Groups - mostly for parents, but some for autistic adults.
- Newly-Diagnosed Families Affected by Autism - includes "Saturday Seminars - These are workshop-type meetings held on Saturdays to help our families and individuals with ASD"; hopefully "individuals" includes "adults."

My own thoughts about community-building are discussed in more detail in the following threads:

- Autistic-friendly workplaces
- Building the autistic community?, especially my posts here and here.
- Autistic-friendly social skills vs. blending in with NT's

I would be very interested in your comments.

Please see also my reply to you here.


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